By David Futrelle
Andrew Anglin thinks the end is near — that the world as we know it will collapse within ten years due to what he sees as a “bizarre” overreaction to the coronavirus. After this particular apocalypse, the Nazi troll writes in a post on his Daily Stormer website, the remaining people of the world will be plunged into a dark and violent time in which they’ll have to struggle just to survive.
And that’s when, in Anglin’s eyes, things start to get fun.
Anglin, a vicious misogynist as well as a racist, envisions a world in which he and other brave Aryan men will gather together into roving “rape gangs,” capturing white women of “breeding age” across the North American continent and turning them into sex slaves, using them to produce pure Aryan children to use as cannon fodder in a genocidal, generations-long race war against the Mexicans.
“The Aryan Rape Gang is the organizational method of this bright new future we are entering,” he explains.
You need to motivate your crew, and give them a purpose and a moral justification at the same time. You also need to win a race war against the Mexicans after most of your own race has been wiped out because they were too weak to survive a societal collapse. All of these problems find an answer in the rape gang to breeding farm pipeline.
Alas, he informs his possible future gang members, he cannot guarantee that all the sex slaves will start as virgins.
We cannot afford to only take virgins. We need all women of breeding age for the breeding farms. Virgins that are found should be reserved for yourself or your top commandants.
The sex slaves will have more than one use, though; they’ll also take care of growing crops and raising chickens while the rape gangs are out pillaging and capturing even more women.
“You should also kidnap male children to use as soldiers in your army,” he adds.
Not Mexican children, of course, but only the whites, as they will remain loyal. In fact, do not even take Mexican females as sex slaves, because whoever fathers their children will want to integrate them, and that mustnāt be allowed.Ā
He provides this helpful flow chart:
Anglin is especially concerned with providing “moral justification” for the heinous acts he fantasizes about doing, and he returns to the subject again and again, perhaps suggesting that what little remains of Anglin’s conscience isn’t entirely on board with this elaborate rape fantasy.
You … need to explain to your men that the only way to rebuild is to breed an army to fight the Mexicans, and the only way to do that is to hoard women on the farm and keep them constantly pregnant. Your men will like the idea of having sex with many women, and will appreciate the moral justification. …
Your men have to feel they are doing the right thing. They will be doing the right thing, of course, but they need to know that. So if you have to do things like leave fat, old people to fend for themselves after youāve stolen their children, you must remind your men that this is a war that is bigger than any person ā even yourself ā and it must be won at all costs. …
Primarily, you need to incorporate religion into your band, which you will run as a cult. You should fashion yourself as both a preacher and a general.
Indeed, in keeping with the religion theme, Anglin offers up some Bible passages that suggest to him that abducting women to use as sex slaves is fine and dandy to God.
Anglin goes into some detail on how exactly the rape gangs should work, where they should set up their compounds, and other logistical details; he’s clearly spent a good deal of time thinking all this through.
He acknowledges that even for those doing the raping, life will be difficult. But he thinks it will be well worth it.
Once weāre in the Wasteland … itās going to be a hard life and many will suffer and die, but at least it will be fun and interesting, and we will finally be at war with Mexico.
Itās basically going to be like an awesome video game.
That’s what every prepper secretly (or not-so-secretly) believes. It’s not true, and Anglin, who can’t even manage to get along with most of the rest of the alt-right, would likely get himself shot in the back by a former ally pretty quickly in a postapocalyptic world.
Anglin’s fetid fantasies represent the woman-hating ideology of the alt-right — which emerged in part from the misogynistic cesspools of 4chan and the right-wing manosphere — taken to its logical conclusion. Other alt-rightists joke about rape; Anglin openly fantasizes about brutalizing women and treating them like animals.
Now, Anglin is a troll, and so it’s hard to tell how seriously he takes all of what he’s written in this vile post. But he seems pretty sincere about most of his professed beliefs, and the degree of detail in his post suggests he’s thought this adolescent fantasy through carefully. But even if he were just writing the world’s worst speculative fiction, it, like Anglin himself, is still an exceedingly hateful piece of work.
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@Buttercup : he nakedly propose the same slavery as the one in north America after the European got here. I am not sure he is aware it was exceptionaly brutal even by slavery standard, and if he is, it’ a pro in his opinion.
He also visibly have 0 idea of what allowed it to “work” in the first place, as in, why they weren’t too many slave revolts and equivalent.
@Drungarios
Nice shout out to the SCA. Frankly a typical mob with pitchforks could probably dispatch these numbskulls, though most of us have a small armory of mixed swords, daggers and the usual suspects. But if I was organizing a low tech resistance, it would focus on earthworks, pikes, polearms and archers. Lots and lots of archers. In the battle of Agincourt thickets of arrows fell every five minutes. Unless these madmax invaders are well armoured and trained (lol), even with guns they’re screwed.
@Dalillama
Lol, mkay. Marauders by definition just kill people and steal their stuff. Or enslave them if they’re really forward thinking. But maybe you’ll get lucky.
@NOBODY : your plan of massed archery have the problem that, you know, archery is a difficult skill that take years and years to master. Earlier firearms won because they were massively, and I mean massively, easier to use. (which is still the case : a soldier with a M16 and three weeks of training is still order of magnitude more dangerous than a bowman with three week of training)
The Battle of Agincourt is an outlier, and few nations had a great number of well trained archer because that was an incredibly hard asset to train.
I think the plan of Dalillama work most of the time, but s/he might encounter a group that want a fight or don’t trust him or simply is unprevisible or high on whatever they looted elsewhere. Still, the average marauder will take the booze and fuck off if offered. It’s not like looters and the like hate free stuff.
@Allandrel:
Preach it! (Speaking as someone who still plays Champions Online, as silly as it can get. Superhero MMORPG, and superhero only; you can’t explicitly create villain characters.)
I’m also reminded that the modern idea is that the old pop psychology concept of ‘letting steam off’ as ‘catharsis’ doesn’t actually work… instead it just lets you practice being angry and letting steam off, making it easier for next time.
@Kevin:
Robert A. Heinlein, yes. People have been making Scudder references for a while, given how blatantly theocratic Pence and a number of the other higher level politicians are. (Trump’s only God is himself and Mammon, in that order, and he doesn’t exactly make a secret of it.)
@galanx:
*sigh* Trudeau… I’ve noted before that my comment to an American once about what people in Canada thought of Trudeau was ‘about what people thought of Obama partway through his term… he talks a good game, but he’s not the game changer we thought we were voting for’.
Really, saying something like that now pretty much is ‘virtue signalling’. He should say that this proves the need for better laws, but shouldn’t say that better laws were planned before the distraction. That just makes it all about him, and it’s not a good look.
@Alan Robertshaw:
I haven’t seen that, but I’ve heard enough about it from other sources. And, well… I work for a company that supplies equipment to supply chain management companies. I’ve talked with people who’ve done retail and wholesale ordering before (one person I knew from a writer’s group could rant for a while, with numbers, about how WalMart made suppliers dependent on their own marginal-profit business). People have been talking about how toilet paper shortages are at least partly the fault of the supply chain, because consumer grade and commercial grade paper often aren’t even made by the same companies.
If anything, those issues have gotten worse over the last few decades because of ‘Just In Time’ inventory management. Nobody wants to pay for warehouse space, and things work more efficiently as a result, but the other result is that the system is a whole lot more fragile to unexpected disruptions. Like the current pandemic.
Heck, it shows up enough in fiction. In Daniel Keys Moran’s The Long Run, the main character ends up giving an economics lesson to a revolutionary by pointing out that stopping all trucking in the U.S. would probably kill millions within the first few weeks. Millions of the people said revolutionary was trying to liberate.
@Ohlmann, and others back to the original topic:
With Anglin, ‘has 0 idea’ is a pretty general statement. Yes, the North American slavery only worked due to brutality, massive levels of social engineering (the Southern Baptist Church was pretty much explicitly created to find Biblical justifications for slavery), and the fact that basing it on skin colour made it relatively easy to tell who was a slave and who wasn’t at a glance. (For the first generation, at least.)
Anglin thinks he can handle the first two, but treating it like a video game is where he discovers that the ‘easy mode’ of being a straight white cis male doesn’t stand up against lots of other people operating in the same mode who disagree with him.
@Ohlmann, NOBODY:
Not to mention that even looters are often smart enough to realize ‘Hey, I just take this, I don’t get into a fight where any of my guys might get injured, and he’ll still be around next month when I come back to see if he’s got more. Win-win!’
Neutral people who provide essential supplies can end up being pretty close to untouchable, because anybody who messes with the supply finds that a lot of the gangs in the area may be willing to put aside their differences to stomp the person making problems.
(Admittedly, that doesn’t necessarily apply if anybody has sole control of the area and is powerful enough to hold off all comers.)
April 22, 2020 at 10:46 am
@Ohlmann, Jenora Feuer
Those are good points.
1. Dali said “marauder”, a description that does not usually involve reasonable people making rational calculations. Almost by definition they are predators, who prefer violence and bullying and will take as much as they can get away with. Eventually you will have to kill these people or leave the area.
You are probably thinking of stressed groups who raid or loot out of need. Those are just desperate people and can be worked with in time.
2. Defense: realistically any defense after an extended social collapse will be a mix of modern and primitive tech. By the time bullets become scare any organized community should have enough archers to be a not insignificant factor. And guns do not maintain themselves. Even nukes need maintenance to stay effective.
So we’d just have to see where the curve on learning low tech skills would meet with the discipline of gun maintenance over time. And assuming no new manufacturing, it would only take a couple years, especially if there’s as much conflict as these clowns imagine, before guns are the deciding factor they were.
Remember, this is THEIR power fantasy…pew, pew, we take what we want. Pew, pew, next week all over again. Not sustainable.
And in any event, the general point is these wanna road warriors are woefully unprepared for the resistance to their dark fantasy because they underestimate anyone who is not a white racist gun humper.
*before guns are no longer the deciding factor they were.
@Nobody
Worst case, leave a bunch of clearly labeled booze and run for it. Undisciplined bandits will pretty much always stop and loot rather than work at chasing someone.
Why are you assuming that? Anybody with a metal lathe can turn out new barrels til the cows come home, and black powder’s easier to make than booze if you have the knowing of it. For that matter, nitro powders aren’t terribly difficult, especially if you’ve got a chemistry reference to hand. This isn’t and S.M. Stirling novel, there’s a shitload of machinery that ain’t going anywhere, and there’s no plausible apocalypse that puts overall tech back by more than a century or two.
@NOBODY:
The thing is, pure marauders don’t usually last too long unless they’re by far the most dangerous people in the area. (And even then they usually burn out or fall to infighting.) Once news spreads that they won’t accept anything short of killing and/or enslaving anybody they come across, well, a lot more people become interested in fighting to the death against them because that’s pretty much what will happen either way. And unless they are incredibly thorough in a way that requires at least as much planning as a more reasonable approach, news will get out.
As for guns… well, half the reason why the AK-47 is used by so many militia and insurgent groups around the world is that it is really low maintenance. Waiting for them to run out of spare parts might take longer than you expect.
But you’re right in that this is purely their power fantasy, and rather a stupid one that pretty much assumes they will be the ones able to create an empire and misses that most of the Hollywood stories they’re basing their fantasy on have the sort of empire they want as what gets taken down by the heroes later on. We seem to be just arguing over the details of which direction they are most wrong in.
@Moggie
Thanks for that link!
Though I do believe people like these probably think everyone in their enemy groups thinks and believes exactly what all the others do, and if they’re on the brink of finding out that’s not actually the case, it’s No True Scotsman time.
@Jenora Feuer
That seems to be the case with most manosphere/alt right people: itās easy to tell theyāre wrong, but theyāre wrong in so many ways itās hard to know exactly which way they are most wrong in or where to start breaking it down. Or they qualify for what RationalWiki calls ānot even wrong.ā
@Dalilama : in addition to that, crossbow are probably easier than guns, and are highly preferable to bows. (or at least, manufacturating a crossbow have a lower ceiling in term of mishap than gunpowder)
The biggest draw of the bow is that it’s a simple enough idea to have. Same for slings. But except if the apocalypse is doubled by general amnesia, people will remember thoses complicated to imagine but reasonaly easy to do things, like gunpowder, crossbow, and probably other contraptions that I forget.
Similarly, bicycles don’t need a super duper high technology to be created, and are a very big improvement over feets. Probably better than horses too for a lot of uses.
@Ohlmann
And even beyond bicycles, it is possible to run motors on a variety of fuels so some people could convert cars to use sources other than petroleum based fuels.
@Naglfar I have a niggling memory of somewhere (Rhodisia?) converting train engines to run off elephant shit. Honest to God, elephant shit.
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of cars running off coal or chicken shit – well, methane generated from chicken shit. And I believe you can add 10% used cooking oil to deisel without any special treatment.
Of course most of those require engineers.
@Ohlmann
Bows do have a number of advantages over crossbows once the archer is proficient. They have a drastically higher rate of fire, are easier to maintain, and are less likely to foul.
(At Crecy, the mercenary crossbowmen’s weapons were rendered inoperable by heavy rain soaking their strings, which could not be quickly removed and replaced with dry ones like a bowstring. Their rate of fire was also hampered because their heavy shields that doubled as a reloading aid got left behind with the baggage train.)
@ ohlmann
Yup. As the saying used to go “To train a long bowman, start with his grandfather.”
You definitely had to start very early in life. English law had rules pretty much making archery practice compulsory. Archeologists can easily spot longbowmen as their skeletons are deformed from the drawstrength needed.
One bloke at Agincourt was killed by a firearm. That must have bene doubly annoying.
ETA:
It wasn’t really until the Springfield rifle that there was a firearm that was as accurate, quick to reload, and carried the kinetic energy of a longbow. But firearms became popular long before that. Partly it was easier to train people. But there’s also the ‘bang bang’ theory. Warfare is often psychological. Loser is whichever side cracks and runs first. And the noise and smoke of gunpowder is far more terrifying supposedly than facing arrows.
@Naglfar
That’s the other reason to set up a methanol still, yes.
I wonder, though, if a modern army, trained with guns and used to the racket of firearm combat, would be equally freaked out to face a silent-but-lethal rain of projectiles with no flash or sound to clue them in to the enemy’s position …
@ surplus
Jack Churchill used a longbow in WW2.
He’s the chap here. With the sword.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/jack-churchill.jpg
@Alan Robertshaw
Any relation to Winston?
@ naglfar
It’s believed not. Certainly the families can be differentiated as far back as the 1400s
He didn’t always take on artillery with a sword or longbow. Sometimes he used bagpipes.
@Alan Robertshaw
Oh yeah, I remember “Mad Jack”: he was quite the eccentric figure in WW2 Military history.
@Alan
And then there was Major Tatham-Worter, who parachuted into Occupied France with an umbrella, because he couldn’t remember the passwords and reckoned that only a British paratrooper would go into battle with an umbrella, so that was his pass. Also he took out a German armored car bt jabbing the driver in the eye with it via the vision slit.
@ Dali
Indeed; and when told by another officer “That umbrella won’t be any use” he replied “But what if it rains?”. Can’t fault that logic.
Although on another occasion he escorted a padre through a gunfight reassuring him “It’s alright; I have an umbrella”.