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Coronavirus question of the day, courtesy of a Reddit incel

No human male can compete with this Good Boy

By David Futrelle

Incels: asking the questions that no one else dares to. Perhaps because these questions are really, really terrible.

Coronachan happened because a Chinese guy ate a bat. What disease will come out of all these white women fucking dogs? 
(self.Intelligentcels)

submitted 1 day ago by Special-Light

Just so you know: Yes, incels and other edgelords like to call the coronavirus “coronachan.” And yes, incels really do believe that large numbers of white women regularly have sex with their dogs. It’s like a whole thing with these guys; they call it “the dogpill” They think they’re literally being cucked by dogs, who are happily having sex with hot babes who would never dream of having sex with an incel.

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A. Noyd
A. Noyd
8 months ago

Justin Campbell says:

Could a fixation on Japanese culture be based on the idea that Japanese culture is a martial cult?

I’ve never seen that. It’s usually idealization of the culture based mostly on aesthetics. Japan seems both futuristic, yet steeped in history. It’s exotic and, as a wealthy, modern nation, seemingly familiar. It’s adorably innocent and incorrigibly lecherous (often both at once). A lot of fascists are attracted to the idea of Japan as “pure” nation untainted by multiculturalism, yet one that also idolizes whiteness.

In essence, Japanese culture easily reflects whatever ideal one cares to project onto it, with a visual appeal that other cultures struggle to match.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
8 months ago

NOBODY says:

As for fascist themes, that could be simply the fact Japan was an imperial culture until the 40s […] Of course there are themes the artists in the culture are processing.

While Japan’s imperial history is a big part of it, these are themes that certain creators are celebrating, not “processing”. Think Dave Sim or Frank Miller, not Alan Moore.

Fetishising the Japanese and artistic works with fascist sympathies says more about what sells to the export market than it does about the Japanese, anime or manga.

These aren’t works made for the export market. They’re made for the Japanese equivalent of incels, MGTOWs and alt-righters. They should say a lot about the Japanese, anime and manga.

One thing westerners completely miss in these conversations is
Manga(comic/characature book story telling mediums) , aren’t some niche market for introverted geeks.

One thing people who like to parrot this line completely miss is that there are niche markets for introverted geeks within the broader storytelling mediums, and they have very little crossover with the mainstream works that appeal to most people.

TheKND
TheKND
8 months ago

At this point, I have to be “that guy” and will point out that “Corona-chan” is always depicted with the traditionally Chinese niújiǎotóu hairstyle (the double buns with viruses as hairclips, wearing a Chinese dress.
So, not only a Moe version of a horrifying disease, it also serves the whole “Chinese virus” narrative.

Allandrel
Allandrel
8 months ago

@Justine Campbell

People who are adherents of the point on the political spectrum that claims to be all about “personal responsibility” are being deliberately irresponsible…

It has been my experience that the principles that conservatives claim, like “personal responsibility,” “small government,” and “Christian values,” are not principles that they actually believe in, but justifications that they adopt as discard according to the needs of the moment.

The only consistent principles I have been able to find with conservatives are “We are Good, They Are Bad, and thus hurting Them is Good.”

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Allandrel

The only consistent principles I have been able to find with conservatives are “We are Good, They Are Bad, and thus hurting Them is Good.”

I can think of a few others:
“Hurting ourselves is ok so long as They get hurt too.”
“Fuck you, I got mine.”
“No rules for me, all the rules for thee.”
Those tend to be pretty consistent among anyone on the right.

Justin Campbell
Justin Campbell
8 months ago

@Allandrel:

Barring an act of God out of a Blake Edwards/Vincent Minelli movie, “Justin,” not “Justine”

And yeah, I know.

I just find disconnects between espoused principles and actual practices worthy of being called out, common though they may be.

Though considering how rare consistent application of principle is, it’s several orders of magnitude more noteworthy.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
8 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/from-bats-to-human-lungs-the-evolution-of-a-coronavirus

OT, but what is this odd affectation the New Yorker has with putting umlauts in words that don’t normally have them?!

@Demonhype:

My dad sometimes asks why waste my time reading about what these jackasses think.

You might also quote him this:

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” — Sun Tzu

@TacticalProgressive:

That being said; what their doing constitutes a form of terrorism; so they now by definition literal terrorists.

Bioterrorists at that. Isn’t there some anti-terror law that can be used now to lock them up? I mean, when they thought Iraq might have acquired bioterror WMDs they fucking invaded the place and blew half of it up. Double standards much?

@Naglfar:

“Hurting ourselves is ok so long as They get hurt too.”
“Fuck you, I got mine.”
“No rules for me, all the rules for thee.”
Those tend to be pretty consistent among anyone on the right.

And all are at best zero-sum. The first is negative-sum.

The contrast with the left’s focus on seeking positive-sum outcomes is remarkable. Seems to come at least partly from a scarcity vs. abundance outlook, and yet it’s the ones with personal experience of abundance and privilege who seem to most often have a worldview that assumes scarcity, and vice versa. So odd.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
8 months ago

OT, but what is this odd affectation the New Yorker has with putting umlauts in words that don’t normally have them?!

If I had to guess, I’d say their office has a glut of umlauts lying around, so they sprinkle them generously over their words.

On the other hand, the New Yorker seems to suffer from a chronic shortage of numerals, which is why the reader encounters, for example, nineteen-fifties. They make do with what they have.

Allandrel
Allandrel
8 months ago

@Justin Campbell

Barring an act of God out of a Blake Edwards/Vincent Minelli movie, “Justin,” not “Justine”

My apologies. That’s what I get for not copy/pasting.

@Naglfar

“Hurting ourselves is ok so long as They get hurt too.”

One of the best descriptions of conservative voting that I have seen is “These are people who would be willing to end up living in a cardboard box under a bridge, so long as that brown family over there did not even have a box.”

“No rules for me, all the rules for thee.”

There is a very good Frank Wilhoit quote:

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

@Surplus

It has been my experience that conservatives view everything as zero-sum. Any gains for one mean losses for another. A group becomes less oppressed? That must mean someone else became more oppressed.

This may be a factor in why hurting Others is the highest good – if We make somebody else’s life worse, that must mean Our lives are better. That’s just math.

It’s also why Trump is such an incompetent dealmaker. He’s convinced that in any deal, one side is screwing the other. So if the other side seems happy with a deal, that must mean they’re screwing him over in some way that he can’t see, and he calls off the whole thing in a tantrum. The idea of a mutually beneficial deal is inconceivable to him.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Allandrel

A group becomes less oppressed? That must mean someone else became more oppressed.

They also always assume that the someone else getting more oppressed is them. And they already think they are the most oppressed people ever. I’ve actually heard conservatives say that straight male Christian conservatives are the most oppressed people on Earth, or that Christians are the only oppressed group, or something like that.

He’s convinced that in any deal, one side is screwing the other. So if the other side seems happy with a deal, that must mean they’re screwing him over in some way that he can’t see, and he calls off the whole thing in a tantrum. The idea of a mutually beneficial deal is inconceivable to him.

Zero-sum outlooks are a key part of ideologies like capitalism, patriarchy, white supremacy, and others like them (and those are also closely entertwined) because zero-sum outlooks discourage people from trying to fix broken systems. If people realize it’s possible for more people to do better at once, they won’t tolerate a system that oppresses them, but if they think it’s the best system that works, they will live with it and won’t try to enact change.
Some Democratic politician (Paul Wellstone?) once said that “when we all do better, we all do better.” This is the antithesis of conservatism.

Allandrel
Allandrel
8 months ago

@Naglfar
Some years ago, I personally overheard a guy say “White people are the most oppressed group in America, because I can’t call a c**n a c**n.”

I think that this was shortly after George Zimmerman’s acquittal.

Chris O
Chris O
8 months ago

@Justin Campbell:

The more appropriate question might be, Is there anything that’s right with them?

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
8 months ago

It’s also why Trump is such an incompetent dealmaker. He’s convinced that in any deal, one side is screwing the other. So if the other side seems happy with a deal, that must mean they’re screwing him over in some way that he can’t see, and he calls off the whole thing in a tantrum. The idea of a mutually beneficial deal is inconceivable to him.

I’ve been thinking about this in regard to one recurring Trump talking point – namely, the notion that other coutntries used to “laugh” at America, but now, thanks to Trump, they “aren’t laughing anymore”.

People seem to often mistake this as referring to how competent the US leadership looks on international stage. Obviously, in this sense, the claim would be not only untrue, but rather diametrically opposed to reality. This reality would be likely undeniable to any MAGAhats who care to think about foreign countries to begin with.

However, I think it’s a actually roundabout way of saying that both allies and enemies used to get away with exploiting the USA, because former presidents (esp. Obama) were somehow too naive and good-willing in their international dealings. (Not necessarily “incompetent” as such, though in Trump level understanding of foreign policy, ruthlessness probably equals competence.)

It’s probably true that America’s recent weirdness has been detrimental to international community at large – some tinpot strongmen notwithstanding. It’s probably not true that America has gained anything from this, especially in the long term.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Lumipuna

namely, the notion that other coutntries used to “laugh” at America, but now, thanks to Trump, they “aren’t laughing anymore”

If anyone was laughing but stopped, it’s probably because they’re terrified off he worldwide far right fascist wave that Trump is part of.

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

About “everyone laughing at America”:

One thing which comes across clearly in David Cay Johnston’s book The Making of Donald Trump is that Trump has always craved respect by people he sees as the elite, but has always fallen short, and resented this. When Trump says that “the world used to laugh at America, but they aren’t laughing now”, he’s really talking about himself: I finally made it to top dog, and those snooty intellectuals and old-money people have to take me seriously now. Privately, though, he probably knows that he’s still seen as a bad joke, and I hope that eats him up inside.

Right now, it’s hard to laugh at America when shit like this happens:

US buyers waving wads of cash managed to wrest control of a consignment of masks as it was about to be dispatched from China to one of the worst-hit coronavirus areas of France, according to two French officials.

The masks were on a plane at Shanghai airport that was ready to take off when the US buyers turned up and offered three times what their French counterparts were paying.

Jean Rottner, a doctor and president of the GrandEst regional council, said part of the order of several million masks heading for the region, where intensive care units are inundated with Covid-19 patients, had been lost to the buyers.

“On the tarmac, they arrive, get the cash out … so we really have to fight,” he told RTL radio.

Rottner would not identify the buyers, who they were working for or which US state the cargo was flown to, but another French official also involved in procuring masks from China said the group were acting for the US government.