By David Futrelle
It’s nice to know that, even in the throes of a massive global pandemic that could leave tens of millions dead, Reddit’s MGTOWs can still manage to find time to indulge in one of their favorite hobbies: yelling about women with body piercings they don’t like.
Today’s target: Nose rings and the women who wear them. And the men who date them.
Someone called throwaway4738299 started things off with a post on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit complaining about an acquaintance who wasn’t happy to hear criticism of his nose-ringed crush.
“It’s so weird watching men literally get angry about you criticizing women,” he wrote.
I told some guy to not date the girl he was talking to because she had a nose ring. You know, because those women are fucking crazy. He started getting defensive and would say shit like, “why should I take advice from you” or “that’s stupid” or “where are your facts” etc. There are more passive aggressive comments that are made, I just can’t remember. They need to wake up and realize the pattern of women like that being low quality partners.
Other commenters had throwaway’s back on the nose ring thing.
“[W]ell you’re not wrong at all,” wrote Edtotem.
the nose ring is a NO NO every goddamned time, it is practically verified via scientific method. i wish i were joking honestly
Someone called Rex-Holes had a somewhat more elaborate theory of nose-ringed women.
Most men don’t want woman with facial piercings. That’s pretty standard. So if men dont find them attractive, why do females get them? It’s a social display of wealth and openness to non social norms. IE “I (my man) can afford a frivolous body decoration and I also have low impulse control which means I’m a slut and i make terrible personal choices”. This is why chicks with poor impulse control always have random little tats everywhere and obscure piercings and dreadlocks. If you see any of those signs, run.
It’s a safe bet that precisely none of these women are going to be displeased to have MGTOWs running from them.
Other commenters saved their venom for male “simps” who allegedly “worship pussy.”
DangZagnut (we’ve met him before) offered a rather graphic take on the subject.
Millenials are the most pathetic white knights, but they were raised in a steady bath of pussy and government worshipping propaganda.
So it’s not their fault they worship pussy, what else are they going to do? Millenials love showing their noses deep into a used pussy, and love licking the chunks out.
MGTOWs certainly have vivid imaginations, don’t they?
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@Lainy
I understand what you mean. To me, they remind me of that meme of an old man groaning about “kids these days”.
@Naglfar
They also don’t understand other people being attracted to different things then they are and it’s really funny. Like one of these guys could be like “blonde women are the only attractive women out there” and some other guy can be like “well I find red hair extremely beautiful” and then the mgtow way would just tell the guy who likes red hair that he’s wrong and brainwashed, obviously the blonde hair is better.
@Naglfar:
Hey, me too! Hadn’t played for years, but I spent some time yesterday pootling around in Minecraft to take my mind off this world. I suspect a lot of people are doing exactly this. It’s a pleasant form of escapism.
Anyone who thinks tattoos are just an impulse – I knew I wanted one (at least) as a teenager, I knew I wanted to design it myself, and it took me until I was 34 to get the design I wanted on my body. I love my choice and every time I look at it now I’m reminded of the work I’ve put into myself and where I’ve been and how far I’ve come.
@FlyByKiwi:
That’s not poor impulse control, that’s a survival skill.
Just you guys wait, as soon as one of them gets infected with covid19, Then they’ll rant about nothing else but their suffering and how much worse they have it versus everyone else. They demonize empathy and positive male actions and positive male/female relationships (insults like white knighting, wimps etc) then expect said empathy to be returned to them.
@Lainy
This is extremely common among straight male misogynists in general. I find it infuriating. It’s also often paired with thinking that everything women do is intended to entice men (or at least should be), so you get:
1) I don’t find facial piercings attractive.
2) No man finds facial piercings attractive.
3) Women should not have facial piercings because they are not attractive to men.
@Tokha
And then they’ll deny ever having said otherwise. (“We have always been at war with COVID-19”). I’m guessing eventually they’ll start passing around a theory that COVID-19 was created by feminists (which they will try to cite that men seem to die more often, or they’ll find some TERFs gloating about it and assume that’s the feminist view).
I started playing Minecraft again as well. Like you said its a great form of escapism . I’m actually tempted to try and get the realm I had up and running again ,it was fun playing with people from here.
@Fabe, there was a Minecraft server at mc.sitosis.com (vanilla Minecraft), which a few years ago had an influx of players from Pharyngula after PZ out out a recruiting call. I’ve just taken a look, and it appears to still exist, though the forums are quiet. In the time I was there, it was a good community: friendly, inclusive, didn’t tolerate bad behaviour. If anyone from WHTM is looking for a server, it might be worth checking whether Sitosis are still accepting new users.
The idea that all men are attracted to exactly the same traits is key to the “HB Scale” that manospherians obsess about. There’s apparently a Platonic Ideal of Attractiveness, and the close you are to it the closer you are to a 10. Like oh, your skin is 0.4 points away from The Form of Skin Tone, and your eye shape is 0.3 points away from The Form of Eye Shape.
If the idea of different people finding different traits attractive is impossible to them, imagine how they would react to learning that most individuals can find different, mutually-exclusive traits attractive?
“What does he mean saying that he likes petite women AND amazons? Inconceivable!”
@Allandrel
That also explains their inability to comprehend gay and bisexual people. They can’t understand gay men because they can’t imagine a man finding other men attractive, they can’t understand lesbians because they can’t imagine a woman not being attracted to alpha++ men such as themselves, and they can’t understand bi people because they can’t understand liking people of different genders all at once.
@ allandrel
That’s why I only date perfectly spherical women in a vacuum.
Plato was not much of a looker, tho
It’s always baffled me just from a math standpoint why some men want their own sexual preferences universalized so badly. It’s a pretty tiny percentage of the female population that is straight, cis, white, young, thin, has long undyed hair, no tattoos or piercing, is beautiful without makeup, is anti-feminist and is a virgin but willing to supply the right misogynist with unlimited pornographic sex. If literally every man has the same taste, these dudes won’t have much of a chance.
For a group of men who all claim to have a degree in pussyconomics, they sure don’t seem to understand basic supply and demand rules very well.
I suppose in reality, they’re just more interested in complaining about women not living up to their standards then they are in finding a partner who lives up to their standards.
@WWTH
It ties right into their theory that the majority of men are competing for a tiny fraction of women. They claim that the top 20% of men get 80% of the women, leaving the other 20% for 80% of men. This obviously is BS, but I can see how they’d derive their other theory from this one.
Or it could just be that they project themselves onto everyone else because they don’t have the brainpower to conceive otherwise.
That doesn’t sound comfortable. I’d prefer water and soap. 🙂
And the last sentence is just gross. Chunks of what? I don’t know and I don’t want to.
… Since when are facial piercings something people associate with wealth?
@Alan
Thanks for your question, that’s a thing that has been bugging me for some time now…you see, as a transfemme I get to live by and get judged by both qually pointless rules for gender.
So, when I was a little kid I wanted an earing because my sister got one. It was a great experience (it hurt like hell but for a young martial artist ,who would grow up into a kinky girl, who still likes martial arts, that’s a feature not a bug) but appearantly I choose poorly. Unbeknownst to me, there was a rule in place that said you can’t wear an earing to the right as a camab (i.e male..it was a silly time back then) person because that was gay. My uncle put it like that: Links cool, rechts schwul. (left is cool, right is gay). I understood today that this might also have..uh..political implications and that he might have been worried about me becoming either right-wing or gay or both..
Luckily he was wrong on both counts and even though there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay (being right-wing would be wrong but people make mistakes that they can learn from), it’s not quite for me as it requires a gender I can…even when I really try my hardest and take a lot of meds not quite live with in a way that would make me happy. Testosterone sure is a hell of a drug that I can only tolerate in moderation, I can’t deal with the constant input of it that nice males can deal with. It’s not poison to me as some radicalized trans girls put it (unintentionally hurting trans masc people and a lot of other friendlies in the progress) but rather..tooo hot if that makes sense? Like nicotine, caffeine, ephedrine, ampetamienes and other stimulants (yes I am a bit of a lab cat and got / get most of that stuff legally). Testo and especially it’s derivative DHT seem like way too strong stims for my taste. But if other people like or even require testo or DHT and manage to be nice people, more power to them.
So now that I am old enough to put out topless pictures of myself on twitter to rehumanize trans femmes (check out my feed, I’m @ chaossprite over there) and have to worry abouth protecting young kids from seeing them and my other content or risk getting in trouble, the rules have changed hard and I can wear earings on either ear (If I accept this kind of body modification) and in a lot of designs but am probably a slut for enjoying the pain they sometimes bring. Also, it’s bad form to have infectious material in your ears and would be horrible if I dirtied my hands playing with them during the pandemic, also my boyfriend is neutral to against them…soo…no earrings for me.
You seem to write a lot, I like your perspective so far and I value your opinion and candor. So…care to comment? Was any of that helpfull for you wearing earings?
I find the side nostril piercing attractive (traditinal Hindu style), but every time I see a nose ring I just can’t help thinking that it would be too painful if you caught it on something or banged it (not to mention it seems to be very exposed if you ever got in a fight, but maybe that’s just the people I hung out with when I was younger. )
I’m probably just too old to appreciate a new style, so to anyone who has one, or knows anyone who has one, do they cause any of that feeling?
@ColeYote
They are made from what used to be precious metals. Nowadays they are also available in cheap and in costing as much as a product with medical implications should. Some of them are … very cheap and of course you can buy a lot of quality to show off your riches if you are into that. Most piercings however are counter culture and most solid-gold-piece-for-10k-and-up earings are probably not worn by marginalized punk grrrls odr guys on the streets because that would be rather risky and mostly unwise.
Lisa, just a bit of perspective on that from a cis male POV. I had a piercing in my left ear for that reason back in 1973. I think it mostly went away after Boy George in the early 80s, when it became acceptable for men to have two or more piercings.
@galanx
https://authoritytattoo.com/nose-piercing-pain/
Might be a good guide. I don’t have a nose piercing but there’s enough medical sound data on this. The thing I would be worried about is infection, because that hurts like hell and is very unhealthy. Once you have a piercing, you gotta take care of it and if you fail to do so, you will hurt yourself. Also if something becomes entangled there, you will hurt yourself. I know that you probably thought about all of this, so I’m just trying to do my due dilligence because I like that and for the rest of the readers.
The thing is that I have talked to a lot of people who regretted piercings, especially in times of viruses going around and them being more vulnerable thanks to torn and swollen tissue near the nose which has the important biological function to filter the air we breathe.
If you contact me on twitter (I’m chaossprite there) I can give you better quality info if you’d like.
So with all this said..I guess that people who know how to wear rings like that and stay healthy really know what they are doing.
@Naglfar
One of the best things I’ve ever read on the Internet was written by a man who just could not understand bisexuals. “How can you be in a relationship with a man or a woman”, he asked, “when you’re attracted to men and women on alternate days? How does that work?”
I still remember this because as far as I can remember, this was the first time I encountered a person who did not know how something works and (apparently) just came up with a theory by themselves, for some reason decided it was the truth without checking in with anyone else and only asked others to contribute when they hit a wall.
I’d suggest that such things should be designed so that the fastener will come undone at a level of shear stress or other physical forces short of the level needed to start tearing flesh or otherwise doing damage to the wearer. Then the worst case if it catches on something is that it gets lost, rather than that you get maimed or even stuck to something. Most usually you’d just retrieve it, refasten it, and go on about your business though.
That being said, I’d think the commonplace earring would be a bigger risk in that regard than a nose ring. It’s common to brush past things when in tight quarters for whatever reason, but not that common to stick your nose right into somewhere where it could get snagged on something.
I don’t know much about piercings and their dangers from a personal perspective. All I know is that I was riveted by my eighth-grade gym teacher’s warning: “Girls! Take your pierced earrings out before you play basketball! Those hoops could get caught on something!”