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Coronavirus: The Federalist prefers mass death to massive deficits

Federalist editorial board meeting (artist’s conception)

By David Futrelle

People often ask “who funds The Federalist,” assuming that the answer is some shadowy right-wing billionaire who finds the site’s crackpot conservatism congenial. But I think I’ve found the actual answer: it’s the coronavirus. Yes, that’s right: the coronavirus is funding The Federalist.

I was led to this conclusion by a pair of articles that went up on the site today arguing, quite seriously, that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of coronavirus deaths might be a fair price to pay for an early end to the not-quite-national shutdown that has millions of Americans now “sheltering in place” to help control the virus’ spread.

If you think I’m exaggerating or engaging in rhetorical overkill, nope. I’m basically just paraphrasing. In an article posted on The Federalist today, Hillsdale College grad student Jonathan Ashbach writes

It seems harsh to ask whether the nation might be better off letting a few hundred thousand people die. … Yet honestly facing reality is not callous, and refusing even to consider whether the present response constitutes an even greater evil than the one it intends to mitigate would be cowardly.

In addition to the economic costs of the shutdown, and what he sees as a fundamental loss of freedom, Ashbach worries that all this social distancing is making our lives a lot less fun.

“[C]onsider the massive sacrifice of life Americans are making in their social distancing campaign,” he writes.

True, nearly all are not literally dying, but they are giving up a good deal of what makes life worth living — work, classes, travel, hugs, time with friends, conferences, quiet nights out, and so forth. Probably almost everyone would be willing to live a somewhat shorter normal life rather than a somewhat longer life under current conditions. The abandonment of normalcy, therefore, is in many ways equivalent to shortening the lives of the entire nation.

He’s rather have hugs and death than a temporary loss of hugs. One wonders if his blithe acceptance of the possibility of mass death may have something to do with the fact that as a grad student (presumably in his twenties or early 30s) he is much less likely to be one of the dead than, for example, those over the age of 70.

When it comes to Federalist executive editor and self-described “happy wife” Joy Pullman, one does not have to wonder: she plainly acknowledges that she’s unlikely to die if the current state lockdowns are brought to an early end. But when it comes to the country as a whole, she’d prefer mass death to massive deficits.

“My point here is not that I like people dying,” she wrote.

It’s that very often our society chooses to allow deaths because the alternative is worse. I’m suggesting the severe social and economic tradeoffs of unlimited quarantine are an important consideration that is not being taken seriously enough. …

The costs Americans are being forced to bear may be more than is rational to impose.

She’s well aware that the cost of abandoning the current lockdowns could be utterly devastating; indeed, she begins her article citing a report predicting that without social distancing the deaths in the US alone from cornonavirus could reach 4 million, two million more than the deaths that could result if we stay locked down. Naturally, she prefers the considerably more optimistic takes on the subject that have come from others on the political right, but she knows that serious researchers think the cost in lives could run into the millions.

Nonetheless, she suggested in one of the article’s subheads that “a depression will ruin 330 million lives, not 4 million.” She worries that cash payments from the government to ordinary Americans will “[addict] millions to welfare … transform[ing them] from workers to takers,” while “many” others will “die due to poverty, lack of medical care, and despair.”

Huh. That last bit sounds like a plug for socialized medicine and a stronger welfare state, but of course to Pullman the very idea is anathema.

In the end, she decides that she’d rather risk coronavirus than a massive economic slump. I mean, why should she and others like her suffer economically when they’re not even part of the group of people most likely to die from the disease?

Why would the entire nation grind to a halt when the entire nation is not at a severe risk? I would rather have a flu I am 99.8 percent likely to survive than the nation plunged into chaos indefinitely because we pulled the plug on our economy during a stampede.

In other words: I’ve got my health, fuck the rest of you.

It would be one thing if this thinking was confined to the fringes of the crackpot right. But it’s not just Federalist writers who see the disease this way. Indeed, Donald Trump himself seems to be suggesting in one recent tweet that he’s getting pretty annoyed with the effect all this social distancing is having on the stock market, and that he might be considering a more laissez faire approach.

At the daily coronovirus briefing today, Trump went further. ”
“America will again and soon be open for business — very soon,” he said. “We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself.”

The Federalist is providing Trump with handy talking points for whatever terrible policy — or non-policy — he decides to enact when the 15 days are over on March 30. Depending on what he does or does not do,4 million deaths may turn out to be too optimistic a projection.

H/T — Dr. Nerdlove, who drew my attention to these articles

UPDATE: Story updated with quote from the coronavirus briefing.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Lumipuna

emphasize the involvement of”government”, which is presumed to make everything inefficient, low quality for high cost.

This is another case where the right wing has broken a government system and then declared that it doesn’t work. It’s like slashing someone’s tires then declaring that their car just doesn’t work and so they should buy a new one.

jefrir
jefrir
4 years ago

Hi Diego, I don’t comment often but I do read, and I can read Spanish and appreciate perspectives from other parts of the world.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
4 years ago

@Alan:
Candace Owens has been discussed on this site before. She’s the one who started the ‘Social Autopsy’ group that was supposedly anti-cyberbullying but which had a ‘name and shame’ approach that would have made it easily co-opted to being another form of cyberbullying. And then when Zoe Quinn started trying to point out exactly what kind of mess she was stepping into, Owens decided that Quinn was actually behind the harassment she was receiving from GamerGate.

https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/04/20/social-autopsy-founder-candace-owen-channels-gamergate-in-bizarre-attack-on-zoe-quinn/

Lainy
Lainy
4 years ago

This is random but guys my dad is great. On my parents property they have this large, it’s almost like a barn, type storage unite in the back. my dad keeps like his two riding mowers out there, the boat he owns, his old truck and halling trailer, a lot of stuff that we packed up into boxes after my grandmother passed away from her home. it’s got a pull table and a fridge and still a lot of room out there just so you can get an idea how big it is. Since I had to move back home he bought a lot of hard foam rubber to put on the floors so I can go out there and have a space still practice my dancing. My state just went into safer at home, stay in place orders so he surprised me with it last night.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

And…The Federalist continues to get more and more idiotic and dangerous.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-loving-publication-pitches-voluntary-infection-as-outside-the-box-solution-to-covid-19-pandemic/

@Jenora Feuer
I’d almost forgotten about Social Autopsy. Just the sheer volume of stupid stuff Candace Owens says and does makes it hard to remember everything.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
4 years ago

@Naglfar:
Well, that’s what brought her to public attention originally. And her reaction to that mess is what moved her from the ‘misguided but possibly means well’ column to the ‘actively trying to make things worse’ column for a lot of people.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
4 years ago

@Lainy: I’m so glad to hear that, I’m glad you are safe.

OT: my chorus had to cancel our season. We were told we had to stop rehearsing for at least 2 months and that would put us after the date of the first performance, so we just decided screw it and canceled. I know this is not the end of the world with all that’s going on, but it was very disappointing because this was supposed to be a big year for us, but mainly because we’re like a family and I miss everybody and some of us I’m worried I might never get to see again because they have immune issues or are over 60 or both. So we were all very happy when our director announced we’re doing rehearsals online with zoom. We probably still won’t perform but it’s just such a relief to be able to see everybody again.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Yutolia
When rehearsing over zoom, would latency be an issue or would it be too small to matter?

Lainy
Lainy
4 years ago

@yutolia

Yeah that really sucks, I’m sorry about all of that. I’m trying to keep my core strength up right now because I started taking aerial silk classes the last couple of months, it’s one of the most physical challenging things I’ve ever signed up for. I thought the strength from my ballet training would be enough for it, but I was so wrong. I’m sure it helps a lot more then if someone just decided to learn this for exercises. But those classes have been cancelled until the middle of may so far, I don’t want to lose all the progress I’ve made.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

So, the Federalist earlier today tweeted that we need voluntary “controlled” infection to defeat the Coronavirus. Twitter removed it, or I’d link, but it’s pretty fucking appalling. The right are not even trying to hide their death cultness now.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

I have seen the article in question. They really need to understand why people do vaccinations and not that horrible DIY of an idea. If a disease is worth immunizating against, then you pretty much never want to voluntary get it at full force.

I hope they will try controlled rabie infection. That would show if they are truly too stupid to die.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@WWTH
Twitter may have removed it, but the story on their site is still up (archived here in case they take it down). Would expect that most of these Republicans would insist that others should be voluntarily infected, not them.
In the future, it will be very apparent from abundant evidence and confessions who was at fault.

@Ohlmann

I hope they will try controlled rabie infection.

I’d be a bit wary of that. I don’t want to get bitten by a rabid conservative and have to get all the shots to keep from getting sick.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
4 years ago

@Naglfar:

I learned more about the rehearsal today and we mostly won’t be singing for practice, it will be more for solidarity and to check in with each other. So it won’t be much of an issue (in fact, it will probably induce some hilarity, which will be very much needed!)

@Lainy: I’m glad you have a space to do your dancing. I hope that helps keep you sane!!

Allandrel
Allandrel
4 years ago

@Naglfar

Out of curiosity, did you ever file a complaint against her like you mentioned?

I have not. I wanted to discuss it more with my psychiatrist at my next appointment in April, but oh, look, the plague. Now that I’m on work-from-home and peritoneal dialysis, I won’t be leaving the house.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ lainy

So glad you’ve found a space you can be yourself. Now you can use the downtime to choreograph a dance representing all that’s happening. I’m hoping we get a lot of creativity out of the enforced retreats. Although is anyone else thinking “All that stuff I put off because ‘I don’t have the time’ turned out not to be the lack of time”?

In other news my housebound neighbour’s cat got all arsey because I could only obtain her second preference cat food. I swear, one more snooty look and I’m going to the hippy shop to get her the vegan stuff.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Allandrel
Is there maybe a way you could do your appointment remotely via video call or something?

@Alan Robertshaw

I’m hoping we get a lot of creativity out of the enforced retreats. Although is anyone else thinking “All that stuff I put off because ‘I don’t have the time’ turned out not to be the lack of time”?

I’m currently discovering that luthiery is a lot hard than I thought. Trying to make a guitar-like instrument from some scrap wood is my current project, but I am limited by what I have at home to build with. I salvaged some tuning machines from an old ukulele but am not sure they will withstand higher tension strings. I also don’t have precision measuring tools, which is a limitation.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ naglfar

Trying to make a guitar-like instrument

Ooh, that is so cool.

Hmm, the machine heads themselves can probably take the strain.

The issues will be whether there’s enough interface areas so they can be securely fastened to the wood and not get torsioned out with the sheering force. And whether they’ll actually take thicker strings and have room for winding.

I admire your productivity though.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

My state is going into lockdown starting Friday. But liquor stores will still be open as essential. Which is very super typical upper Midwest (we’re very German and Irish here).

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

@Naglfar (I have rubbish memory at the best of times, and just lately more than ever – sorry but) did you say you are another Spanish speaker around here?

It’s just that what you said about inventing yourself an instrument made me think of Les Luthiers (Argentinean comedy multi-instrumentalists of a generation ago), one of whose trademarks is weird instruments invented out of household odds and ends.
(another trademark is taking the mickey out of musical snobbery, and also doing pastiches of different genres). They have lots of clips on youtube. The humour is variable – some of it undeniably shows its age, but some stands up fine.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@opposablethumbs

did you say you are another Spanish speaker around here?

I’ve forgotten some but I can still speak it fairly well.

The comedy act you describe sounds right up my alley, I’ll have to check it out later. Thanks for the recommendation.

Speaking of entertainment, I finished the last season of BoJack Horseman last night. Somewhat disappointed (I thought the second-to-last episode was better), as I thought it could have brought better closure to the show and had too much crammed into one episode. I won’t put in any spoilers, but that was my general impression.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ jenora

Thanks for that. I thought I remembered the name from somewhere. I do get a bit confused as to all the people covered on this site, and who’s a baddie and who’s a goodie. Although that seems to not always be clear anyway!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Bit more science on the whole utilitarian economy thing.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743514001224

This is based on European experience, but executive summary:

The death rate from things like suicide do go up in a recession; but overall mortality drops.

That’s because people can’t afford certain food and drink items; like alcohol; as well as tobacco and other drugs. So they get healthier. And fewer people travel so there are fewer road accidents.

So another argument against the economic apologetics.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw
And one thing that would probably bring down suicide is better health care and social programs.

Allandrel
Allandrel
4 years ago

@Naglfar
I’m looking in to it. Right now I’m trying to focus on my peritoneal dialysis transition.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Allandrel
Well, best of luck with the peritoneal dialysis and the psychiatrist.