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Shelter in Place: Open Thread

So here in Illinois, the shelter-in-place order kicked in yesterday, and I’m sheltering the fuck in place. How are you all doing in The Time of Social Distancing? Are you officially or unofficially on lockdown? What are you doing to keep anxieties at bay?

Here at the Tiny Mammoth Institute we’re … getting by, with the help of video games, breathing exercises, and my oblivious cats. Hope you’re all holding up ok.

Anyway, here’s an open thread to discuss all this or whatever else you want to talk about.

And here’s another cat, a famous one, in a box.

–DF

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Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Great question. Wonder if the DNC would consider it a contested primary and go with one of the endorsements, or nominate somebody else. I believe them fully capable of pulling that stunt.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

Side note dang it site changed font on me again.
https://imgur.com/a/2qo9uBgcomment image?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

GAZZA
GAZZA
1 year ago

@Naglfar

I, for one, welcome our new Flayed Lord masters. 😉

Wannabikkit
Wannabikkit
1 year ago

I’m in New Zealand and we now have 102 cases out of a population of just under 5 million people. Our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced a couple of hours ago that our country is going into what is basically full lockdown. We are to stay home unless we need to get groceries or healthcare or work in essential services. Nobody has died here. Yet.

Clever4agirl
Clever4agirl
1 year ago

Our shelter in place order was given Tuesday. Everyone seems to be a different flavor of panic, mum keeps panic buying, MHC is grumping around, housemate straight called the cops cause the neighbors are having a party, and I’ve been battling the urge to triple the veggie patch and just can everything. (To be fair, this is my reaction to most high stress situations)

The neighbors have really been pulling together, they’re still racist busybodies, but things like tp dropoffs and care packages are happening.

Ugh, things are just ugh.

galanx
galanx
1 year ago

To all those ragging on Pelosi- her “means-tested plan” is to funnel money to working-class and poorer people, while you apparently feel the money should go to the rich as well, instead of people who need it.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

@galanx
Or we don’t have pointless fiddling and instead just pay the people now. Means testing is just another tool to screw over minorities and other groups who just “missed the mark”

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
1 year ago

Finally unlocked a new status on facebook.
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Ucalegont
Ucalegont
1 year ago

Sheila Cosby already described the situation in Spain; I’m in Barcelona.

Unfortunately you have to go out to get rid of the rubbish. If so, we use gloves and mask and we leave the shoes in an open box beside the door. Then gloves and mask are bathed in water and lie.

The virus will reach most people and I’m scared for my parents. First, it would most likely kill them and second they’re not priority patients. Because almost certainly there will be shortage of hospital equipment.

Right now it’s more than 1700 deaths in Spain. Our government has not acted like Boris Johnson, which to me borders on genocidal, but there are problems. One is impunity for racist attacks by the police. Another problem is that lots of people are losing their jobs, and people with inessential jobs don’t have the security that if they stay at home they won’t be sacked.

A person I know might be sent to disinfect places with Coronavirus without proper equipment and without training. If so, said person will just leave the job. Such things happen.

I’m changing my habits in a way I haven’t been able for years. Now I have much more energy and will to live. I’ve got also more time to study for state exams that will take place once the quarantine is over.

The contact with friends varies. To some I’ll send a how are you message some time this week. With others I talk almost every day. A group of friends organized to play Pinterest via Skype last Saturday, and we plan to meet again next Saturday. With the band I play in, we tried to rehearse via videoconference, but we couldn’t. Perhaps with the other guitarrist we will arrange to compose via Skype.

So you can do lots of things and even make the lockdown work to your advantage (if you’re fortunate and don’t live in a sardine can with five other people). The problem is that the virus is spreading and could kill the people I love the most.

Ucalegont
Ucalegont
1 year ago

Sorry, Pictionary not Pinterest. In case anybody was wondering.

Andrew
Andrew
1 year ago

I’m in New Mexico and it’s barely noticeable here. Aside from restaurants being take out only or closed, people are cheerfully going about their business. I wouldn’t want to see panic or looting, but I do wish they would take this seriously.
I’ve been staying home most of the time, and only go out to buy groceries or sometimes for a bike ride. It’s very sparsely populated compared to major cities, and there’s never a crowded place even in normal times unless it’s a festival.
I’m happy that I don’t currently have a spouse or a pet to be responsible for, even though I was lonely before this since my divorce last year and losing my pet in the process. I can rough it, but having people and animals to live with and really worry about would be hard.

I hope everyone gets through this as easily as possible.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@diego

Ah master packo. I miss him

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
1 year ago

11 days with fever and coughing here.

Samantha Ravensdaughter
Samantha Ravensdaughter
1 year ago

First, I want to wish everyone good health and well-being.

What are we doing? Well, here in Oregon the stay at home unless you really need to go out order came down a few days ago. The positives first – the air in the Willamette Valley is much cleaner and sweeter, the noise pollution is gone and we can clearly hear the birds, the insects, and the wind in the trees. We are spending more time talking with each other and, even though all of our kids and grandkids live within five miles of each other, we are doing video conferencing and such all the time. Some of us are carefully checking in with neighbors to make sure they are all right. We are reading more, watching movies, doing all those chores we all have but never get around to. I am studying things of interest and doing more art, writing and music-making.

On the less happy side, both my husband and I are experiencing mild symptoms of a flu-like nature, but there is a major shortage of tests. We are taking an old folk remedy which is black elderberry syrup. There have been studies that seem to show that it decreases the severity of symptoms as well as the length of flu type illnesses, while letting the body develops the natural immunities. We have used it before and it really does help us.

Stay well, everyone, and try not to let fears get the upper hand. We decided to use the down time to play, talk about things that really matter to us, get creative and such. It helps. May we all get through this happier and healthier than we were.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
1 year ago

UK bordering on calling for a lockdown, since too many people have been selfish AF and gone out to beaches and parks over the sunny weekend. I live in a house share where 3 out of us 6 work in catering and have had their restaurants close. One is going to have her hours halved and my job came to an end because of redundancy (not an excuse from the employer, I was given my end date two months ago).

So, really fucking bad time to be unemployed, since a recession is probably inevitable. 😖 In hindsight I should have searched for any job rather than picking over The Right Job, but even 10 days ago I had no idea it would get this bad this quickly. I am waiting on the result of an interview I took more than a week ago, will send one of the interviewers a friendly email later this week asking how they’re doing (they no doubt have to work from home right now) and state that I’m still available and want the job. Plus will throw in some more selling points about myself too.

Until then, I have a decent amount of savings and have been told that Universal Credit applications are being rubber stamped through right now. Also this situation has really brought the house together, which is nice.

Ledasmom
Ledasmom
1 year ago

Still working. For now. Massachusetts.
Also stress cooking. Lasagna. Mac and cheese. Sausage and greens soup. Two citrus cakes.

Sheila Crosby
1 year ago

@Ucalegont Best of luck. I’m really glad that I’m not in a big city just now.

Ucalegont
Ucalegont
1 year ago

@Sheila Cosby: thanks.

Specialffrog
Specialffrog
1 year ago

galanx: if you tax the rich properly it doesn’t really matter if they are given money along with everyone else because you will get it back.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@galanx

To all those ragging on Pelosi- her “means-tested plan” is to funnel money to working-class and poorer people, while you apparently feel the money should go to the rich as well, instead of people who need it.

The issue with means testing is twofold: first, it means it will take longer to get the money out, and that’s time we don’t have. We can tax it back from the wealthy later. Second, most of the proposed means-testing systems will exclude lots of people who do need the money on technicalities. So that’s why I’m not a fan of means-testing. That’s the kind of stuff Republicans pull to cut people’s healthcare or welfare payments.

MCJB
MCJB
1 year ago

My state hasn’t shut down quite yet, but, even if it does, I work in an “essential” field, so I’ll still be working.

NiOg, solitary hermit before it was cool
NiOg, solitary hermit before it was cool
1 year ago

Out here in Wisconsin we’re in lockdown, with something like 4 deaths and around 80 cases in the state. I am extremely lucky to be able to work from home, and to have an ‘essential’ government job – if the virus had hit us this same time last year I’d have basically starved to death in the street. I am painfully aware that things are very desperate for a lot of folks who don’t have my advantages. Our Governor is keeping grocery stores open and has suspended utilities’ ability to shut off water or electricity on people who can’t pay, so hopefully this will lessen the blow a bit, but a lot of people are out of work and it’s very worrisome.

My big worry at the moment is that a lot of the buildings and houses around me are sitting empty – all the university students have gone home – and I’m an old lady with mobility problems that lives alone. So far it’s been quiet, but I worry that someone’s going to kick in my back door some night, looking for valuables or food.

Other than that, I’m doing okay so far. I’m used to solitude and my regular D&D games have switched over to skype, so my social life isn’t much impacted.

Katamount
1 year ago

I’m still feeling kinda run down with this damned stubborn post-nasal drip. I should have done some art stuffs over the weekend, but just didn’t feel up to it, so just ground new characters on Star Trek Online, watched Let’s Plays of the hilariously obnoxious and goofy Carol Reed Mystery Games and practiced AC/DC guitar riffs with my Les Paul Special-II and the distortion module I got for Christmas.

It’s amazing how many AC/DC songs are just combinations of the same three or four chords: A5, D/F#, G, E5. Occasionally there’s a D5 as well. Angus Young guitar solos aside, these chords make up the rhythm riffs on “Highway to Hell”, “It’s A Long Way To The Top (If You Wanna Rock ‘N Roll)” and “Rock ‘N Roll Train.” Malcolm, rest in peace, sure got those hard-hitting primal rock rhythms down to a science.

But oh man, those Carol Reed games… one of the Let’s Players I follow on YouTube who plays mystery games (Resulka) began to play one of them and it just opened up this incredibly bizarre series of 15(!) point-and-click games made by this Swedish guy named Mikael Nyquist which come across less as mysteries and more as weird photo-essays about abandoned areas around Norrkoping, Sweden. How Nyquist somehow crafted a Sweden entirely devoid of people, I have no idea. Seriously, the only people that exist in Carol Reed games are Carol Reed herself (the player character), her friend Stina, her other friend Jonas (<3 <3 <3 such a dreamboat) and the two or three possible suspects. Apparently Norrkoping has like twelve thousand museums that nobody is interested in because they're all deserted. They only exist for murder suspects to leave obnoxious puzzle clues specifically for Carol to figure out the combination to another freakin' lockbox that contains another freakin' key to another locked door that leads to another freakin' lockbox.

But the recurring motifs are what keep me watching. Every game has Stina asking Carol to do some really stupid chore, Jonas is always the helpful hunk, a weirdo named Bigge always appears to say something creepy and off-putting (and usually makes Carol do something in exchange for a clue) and there's the same stable of actors that play the suspects each time. And of course, at the end of every mystery, once you find the incriminating evidence that points to one suspect above all others, that suspect is naturally right behind you and ready to kill you, but you have one inventory item to distract/disable the suspect and flee to the police.

Needless to say, the online commentaries are simply hilarious, particularly when the player gets frustrated at Carol being unable to reach a clearly visible clue ("If only I was a few inches taller!"), which necessitates finding a nearby ladder that somehow fits in your inventory the same as a key. Fun times.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

All my London things have been postponed, so I’m hunkering down here in the south west. The local government has asked people to stay away but…

“Half a million people live here and this Saturday there were an additional 1.8 million people on the A30 heading this way.”

Ah well.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

Feeling a bit more secure today, I’ve figured out what’s happening with a bunch of appointments I had coming up, so that’s good.

I also did some cable management over the weekend, and am feeling pretty good about how they all work. I thought about how they would need to lay and be switched up (one peripheral needs to be able to be plugged into my work computer for work, and my home computer for fun) so that needs to be moveable.

I don’t remember if it was this thread or a different open thread, but someone was asking about using 2 workstations at home. I am now having to do that, because my computer is good enough for me, but not for work. XD

What I did was buy a USB switch, and plug my keyboard, microphone, and webcam, into it. I then plugged that into both computers, and I can swap between them. It would also work for my mouse, but I have two wireless receivers and a mouse that easily switches between them, so I’m not worrying about that.

(I might be having some issues with it, so I don’t want to recommend this *particular* one yet, until I figure them out. But I think this idea is going to be a winner, for me.)

My monitor will also allow different cables to be plugged in, so it’s using one that’s plugged in to my work computer, and one that’s plugged into my home computer.

I’ve got a power-saving power bar, (similar to this one) where one plug is the ‘boss’ plug, that is always on. When something plugged into it is drawing power, it turns on the ’employee’ plugs. This lets my monitors etc turn off, without me needing to turn them off, and I really like it.

BUT now I have TWO computers, both need to be plugged into the boss outlet, what do I do?

I bought a Y power cable, that lets me plug 2 things into one outlet. I only needed the 2, and I was worried about buying one of those blocks, that maybe my plugs wouldn’t physically fit into it because of space on the powerbar itself, but this worked perfectly!

I also labelled all of my cables, using something like these adhesive labels.

I used a bunch of velcro ties to organise ’em all, and boom! I think I’m ready to be set up on 2 computers, with the minimum amount of fuss to use both.

Now I just need to handle my taxes, and I won’t have anything too pressing to be worried about. Well, other than people getting sick, and my job, etc etc etc. But y’all know what I mean!

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

This week I’ve set out to try to make a musical instrument out of some scrap wood I had lying around. I haven’t settled on the design yet because I haven’t fully assessed what materials I have and my capabilities, but judging by what I have it will probably be a string instrument similar to a guitar in size (but probably with fewer strings to reduce tension). I’ll post pictures if I can get it done.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

There’s been another case of bird flu in Germany. That’s on top of cases in Slovakia, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic. It’s proving really hard to get any real info though.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/23/world/europe/23reuters-birdflu-germany.html

There have also been new outbreaks in China, India, and the Philippines.

https://www.wattagnet.com/articles/39870-new-avian-flu-outbreaks-impact-china-india-philippines

There are also anticipated outbreaks on the way in the US; but the government has done a deal…

https://www.agri-pulse.com/articles/13332-usapeec-confirms-china-bird-flu-regionalization-deal

China and the U.S. have signed off on an agreement that the Chinese government will not overreact to outbreaks of avian influenza in the U.S.

The Chinese Government should insist on calling the H5 strain “American Virus” though. That is where it originated and that’s how Trump defines it.

The reason this might be relevant is that ‘Spanish’ flu may have originated as avian flu rather than swine flu as was the previous belief.

https://www.nature.com/news/study-revives-bird-origin-for-1918-flu-pandemic-1.14723

The good news is that all the coronavirus precautions may also mitigate against the transmission of other diseases.

So keep your distance folks!

moregeekthan
moregeekthan
1 year ago

Wishing better health to all those currently under the weather.

Folks are speculating what if Biden pulls out one way or another. Party can pick whomever they like, doesn’t even have to be someone who was running. Technically they aren’t even bound by primary results, but they always follow them because the know it would be an electoral disaster not to. They definitely won’t pick Sanders under any circumstances, they can’t stand him.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago
Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Katamount:

practiced AC/DC guitar riffs

But will you ever be as good as The Heimatdamisch?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@moregeekthan

They definitely won’t pick Sanders under any circumstances, they can’t stand him.

I’m rather fearing for whom they will pick. Biden’s bad but at least he’s someone that people voted for. If they try to resurrect Klobuchar’s or Buttigieg’s campaign that will be a disaster.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ moggie

That seems a bit more Highway to Heck.

Like it though; and whilst we’re in Lederhosen territory…

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Alan, bird flu as well? Not to mention the plague of locusts. You know how you play a simulation game, and then you get bored, so you unleash emergency after emergency on your sims? All I’m saying is, don’t be surprised if we get hit by a giant asteroid soon.

Hambeast
Hambeast
1 year ago

Guess I’ve been “training” for this since my dad died. I didn’t become a recluse on purpose, though, it just happened. Is it possible to be depressed and not know it? I never felt depressed, but I’ve realized that much of my outward behavior those first two years just screamed depression.

Anyway. Husbeast has a job (IT in the fashion industry but for how long, as people lose employment, who knows?) so he can work from home. It’s grating on me a bit to have someone in the house all the time, though. We’re both healthy so far. The cats are enjoying having both their people around all the time.

The run on groceries was annoying, but I had just been on my weekly shopping trip when the run started, so I waited it out. Finally went to the store the other day and the it looked pretty normal and I got almost everything I wanted. They were rationing some items like meat and frozen veg. Possibly toilet rolls, too, but I didn’t need those. You can get all the fresh fruit and veg you want, but that necessitates more frequent trips. Ah, well. :/

Husbeast and I have been trying to work on the stuff we were left with when his mother passed in December. His brother was out from NJ last month for a week and took a small moving truck-full back with him, which helped. But we still have two storage units full (though we did clear out one small one with BILbeast’s help) and now that the thrift store are closed and not even taking donations, it kind of put the kibosh on that activity.

The upside is that his grandmother was a craft hoarder (I mean, who needs FOUR pairs of expensive pinking shears??) and now I have all kinds of tools and materials I never thought I would. Between Husbeast and I, we have three sewing machines and that’s after his brother took one with him! At least I can get to work making hospital masks once I clear off a horizontal space to cut them out on.

I hope everyone is as well as possible. I know I don’t comment much, but I’m always reading and regard you all as another family.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ moggie

What if we’re all in a simulation, and the person running it has been quarantined at home and is now bored?

An Autistic Giraffe
An Autistic Giraffe
1 year ago

For the bored, here’s a new video from one of my favorite youtubers about a classic sci-fi novel where Robert Heinlein asks important questions like “Why do women think my no-gays allowed sex cult is creepy?” and “Is Cannibalism really that bad?”

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Naglfar, if you’re into crafts, you must watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScIVfjTe40M

All of that channel’s work is godlike.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ an autistic giraffe

Is Cannibalism really that bad?

A question on which there’s a surprising amount of law.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cannibalism-Common-Law-Victorian-Yachting/dp/1852852003

See also:

https://pennstatelaw.psu.edu/_file/TheCaseOfTheSpelunceanExplorers.pdf

Summary: Cannibalism fine; bumping off people to eat possibly less so.

It’s all still quite relevant though, as it informs decisions about allocation of resources and triage.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw

What if we’re all in a simulation, and the person running it has been quarantined at home and is now bored?

Or what if the simulation is glitching out because the server maintenance staff went home for quarantine?

A question on which there’s a surprising amount of law.

I can add that in Jewish religious law, cannibalism is not generally permissible because humans are not kosher to eat, but it would be acceptable to save a life, as would the consumption of other unkosher foods. Murder is still considered wrong.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Naglfar
That pretty much summarizes English Common Law on the topic as well. Going about selling human meat would be illegal however you came by it*, but eating the dead to survive is perfectly alright.

*Although the advent of vat meat might make this a cloudier legal area.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@An Autistic Giraffe

One of my favorite Overly Sarcastic Productions videos was on robots, especially when she addressed an issue of coding that somehow I have never noticed:

Robots that are “almost human, but missing essential human characteristics” (think Data from Star Trek) are often characterized as such with traits like: blunt to the point of seeming rude, can’t read social cues, difficulty with other people’s humor, does not display a lot of emotion, etc.

Sound familiar?

These robots are being coded as autistic, and the traits that make them inhuman are the very traits that distinguish autistic people. Giving the reading that autistic people are lacking essential human traits.

And that is… problematic, shall we say.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

I guess demons are kosher because they have cloven feet?

There have been a few arty things here where people have consumed human flesh. They sourced from volunteer donors. Even with the consent aspect though I’m not sure I’d fancy someone’s appendix. Presumably it was removed for a reason.

Give it time though.

https://www.businessinsider.com/cannibalism-eating-human-flesh-climate-change-2019-9?r=US&IR=T

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Dalillama

Although the advent of vat meat might make this a cloudier legal area.

Are there any plans to grow human meat in a lab? I wouldn’t expect it.

@Allandrel
I’ve seen aliens also coded as autistic in various media, which is another way of dehumanizing us.

@Alan Robertshaw
It would depend on whether the demons chew cud. A mesorah, or local tradition of eating them, would also help.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

For those of you who don’t fancy eating your neighbours, the trendy bakery at Borough Market is doing on-line breadmaking lessons…

https://www.instagram.com/breadaheadbakery/?hl=en

Live daily at 2:00pm UK time.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

It would depend on whether the demons chew cud

“Put me down; that was just bubble gum! “

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Alan

I guess demons are kosher because they have cloven feet?

Nope, they don’t chew their cud so they’re still out. Otherwise pigs would be kosher.

There have been a few arty things here where people have consumed human flesh. They sourced from volunteer donors

I am picturing a specialty restaurant called Eat Me, selling vat mean grown from the proprietor’s tissues.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ dali

I am picturing a specialty restaurant called Eat Me, selling vat mean grown from the proprietor’s tissues.

Well you’re the professional chef; I’ll do the paperwork.

Who do we use as the source material though? I am compelled to point to that, as a non carnivore, I’ll taste better.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Dalillama

I am picturing a specialty restaurant called Eat Me, selling vat mean grown from the proprietor’s tissues.

Reminds me a bit of Mao Sugiyama, who had his own genitals removed and cooked them at a banquet for diners paying large sums of money. That was a one-time thing, but with vat-grown meat it could be a business.

I have heard from a journalist’s account that human meat tastes similar to veal. I’ve never eaten anyone so I don’t know.

@Alan Robertshaw
Since it would be vat grown, I don’t think your diet would affect taste much.

I heard that somewhere (I forget where) there were bars serving human milk from some women who donated. There are possible ethical issues there, but maybe there could be a partnership of some sort with your restaurant.

I leave you with an appropriate theme song for the restaurant:

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Dalillama, or you could use cells donated by various celebrities, cloned and used to grow meat. It would be the ultimate experience for stans: you’ve bought all his records and seen all his films, now you can eat his flesh!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

various celebrities

“Yeah, when you said this restaurant had three stars; I didn’t realise you meant the cast of the failed Charlie’s Angels reboot”