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Shelter in Place: Open Thread

So here in Illinois, the shelter-in-place order kicked in yesterday, and I’m sheltering the fuck in place. How are you all doing in The Time of Social Distancing? Are you officially or unofficially on lockdown? What are you doing to keep anxieties at bay?

Here at the Tiny Mammoth Institute we’re … getting by, with the help of video games, breathing exercises, and my oblivious cats. Hope you’re all holding up ok.

Anyway, here’s an open thread to discuss all this or whatever else you want to talk about.

And here’s another cat, a famous one, in a box.

–DF

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Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Moggie
Why stop there? We could then grow some cloned skin and bind copies of autobiographies or other books they wrote with it (it’s called anthropodermic bibliopegy). Now, you can own a set of the Harry Potter series bound in J.K. Rowling’s skin.

Note: I am aware that she is a TERF and I would not buy said set, I am just giving an example.

Dalillama
Dalillama
8 months ago

@Naglfar

I have heard from a journalist’s account that human meat tastes similar to veal. I’ve never eaten anyone so I don’t know.

It’s generally held to taste much like pork, but sweeter; the traditional Fijian term for it translates to ‘long pig’.

Specialffrog
Specialffrog
8 months ago

I wonder if someone will try marketing ‘plant-based long pig’ any time soon?

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
8 months ago

My workplace is a manufacturer, so we can’t work from home. I’m in the front office, but still going in, as they occasionally need me to run some serial-number labels off the desktop printer. Spouse has been more-or-less a shut-in for the past few years, so not much has changed for him except that he’s got more people to talk to online.

Our older cat had to be euthanized recently (his kidneys were finally shutting down completely), and we’d planned to get a companion for our younger cat, but figured the animal shelters were probably in lockdown for the time being. However, we checked just in case we could get on a waiting list in the meantime, and, well, now we’ve got a kitten.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
8 months ago

Hm. Looks like my workplace may be closed from midnight tomorrow.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

I’m officially moved out of my home

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 months ago

@ lainy

Oh no. Have you got somewhere safe you can be?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 months ago

@ specialfrog

I wonder if someone will try marketing ‘plant-based long pig’ any time soon?

Hmm, what with your idea and Dali’s restaurant this is like Soylent Green sponsored Dragons’ Den.

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

Well, the UK is now on official lockdown, the government having belatedly bowed to the inevitable. Their dithering will undoubtedly end up costing many lives. We’re probably on a similar trajectory to Italy, but two weeks behind.

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

What the fuck is Bolsonaro doing?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Fuck. My work decided to do mandatory overtime for 4/1 to 4/3. We are not an essential service, but there are already contractors out due to having kids whose schools/daycares are closed or being immunocomprised and there’s definitely a chance that MN will close all non-essential businesses. If that happens, it means that 7 people (plus supervisors and managers) are able to work from home and will be expected to maintain the benefits call center for 3 clients, both of whom have us for both health and pension. So, 6 lines plus webchats.

Does that sound reasonable to anyone?

Greedy fucks. The executives don’t want to lose any profit, so they’ll just work their employees to death instead. I don’t know what the fuck they think they’re going to do if some of the 7 of us get sick ourselves. Or have technical problems working from home.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 months ago

@ moggie

I’ve been doing long nighttime walks through the lanes. Sometimes they cross midnight. I’m trying to work out if that counts as two gos for my “One exercise a day” allowance.

I’m glad there’s a bit of clarity though. I was literally getting emails every half hour from the Bar Council as the rules on attending court kept changing.

Oh, and it now transpires that the remote conferencing system most of the legal industry uses isn’t GDPR compliant; so back to WhatsApp.

Luzbelitx
8 months ago

Non-contact hugs to everyone, hoping you’re all ok.

Here in Argentina we’ve been in recommended shelter-in-place since march 17, and last Friday it was updated to mandatory shelter-in-place.

Most of the early spreading was due Argentinians flying back home from high risk areas (mostly Italy) and not respecting the quarantine (including many with symptoms of COVID-19 already!). Since last Friday borders were closed, and people breaking the quarantine are being held on house arrest under police supervision.

Many Argentinians around the world got stuck in airports due to their flights being cancelled. The State airline sent planes to get them home, and some were outraged to find out they had to actually pay the plane ticket! And many even tried to refuse medical isolation once they got back. More than 20.000 people left the country AFTER the closing of borders was announced, and now are demanding State flights to get back. Many National routes have been closed because people tried to go on vacation instead of staying home.
Way to go assholes! /s

The right demands the President declares state of siege, while the ultra left complains the general quarantine is a de facto state of siege.

The military hospitals were made available for care of the infected, and one “mobile hospital” (basically sanitary tents) was set in one of the largest military bases in northern Buenos Aires. One military factory is dedicated to producing varieties of alcohol, and the one military textile factory is manufacturing chinstraps.

There are also many welfare measures in place, especially cash for people with no job and who perceive no welfare benefits, and one time bonuses for people on welfare. Schools are closed but their lunchrooms are producing take away meals for the children, and food packs are being distributed in the poorest areas. They also decreed paid leave for domestic workers.

There is a daily government report with updates on the status of the pandemic in the country and the political actions taken/to be taken. A few provinces are also closing their borders these days. The shelter-in-place measures expire on march 31, but it’s foreseeable they will be extended, considering the contagion is rising and the temperature is dropping as we enter Autumn.

I’m so glad this is happening under a Peronist government (the neoliberals run the country to the ground from 2015 to 2019, even downgrading the Health Ministry to a secretary).

As for me, I’m staying home with my kid, going out maybe once a week to get food. I disinfected the whole house, downloaded a Nintendo emulator to play nostalgic games (mainly Mario Bros.) and binge-watching series, trying to take in very low doses of news media.

I’m pretty sure we’ll make it through this safely, and I’m also helping my grandma (who lives across the street) with getting food and other essentials so she can stay home.

Anxiety is beginning to be a bit of a problem, but sharing all this with you is definitely helping! Stay safe all!

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
8 months ago

@Moggie:

@Dalillama, or you could use cells donated by various celebrities, cloned and used to grow meat. It would be the ultimate experience for stans: you’ve bought all his records and seen all his films, now you can eat his flesh!

So, basically Catholicism, minus the “clap your hands if you believe” aspect?

varalys the dark
8 months ago

Well I’m in the UK and sad I’m not going to see my family which is gonna have a bad effect on my mental health. But I’ve been following what’s been happing in Italy and the measures will be worth it if it stops what’s happening there here.

Actually though, otherwise I’m OK. This is my life, I don’t work and avoid people as much as possible so I’m just carrying on.

Luzbelitx
8 months ago

Moggie
March 23, 2020 at 4:13 pm
What the fuck is Bolsonaro doing?

Whatever the fuck he always does, I’d guess.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 months ago

Someone sent me this. Social distancing suffragette style.

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weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

My manager told me it’s just the few days to get our quarter off to a start, but I don’t trust it.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
8 months ago

@Luzbelitx:

Moggie
March 23, 2020 at 4:13 pm
What the fuck is Bolsonaro doing?

Whatever the fuck he always does, I’d guess.

Fiddling while the Amazon burns, then? 🙁

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

@Alan, for a moment I thought that was Natalie Wynn.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 months ago

@ moggie

Er, yeah, I get that. Cos I totally know who that is.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Moggie
I can see the resemblance.

“I am social distancing for I have been cancelled, woe is me, woe is me.”

@Surplus

Fiddling while the Amazon burns, then? 🙁

Trump retweeted a Nero meme the other day. Self-awareness is over.

@Alan Robertshaw
Better known as ContraPoints. YouTuber who has become increasingly problematic.

Luzbelitx
8 months ago

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
March 23, 2020 at 4:36 pm
@Luzbelitx:
Fiddling while the Amazon burns, then?

Sounds about right 🙁

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
8 months ago

@Moggie

My uncle is a doctor in Brazil, he has lived there close to 60 years. From what he tells me, he isn’t doing anything at all. He has to be tending at least 3 different hospitals and they are terribly understaffed and in constant need of supplies. So far no nationwide quarantine has been declared. Last I heard Sao Paulo (a city of 40 million people) had been quarantine, other cities remain open in a country with a population of 200 million people. In essence, he’s adopted the Trump and Boris Johnson strategy.

On the other hand, we seem to be faring well with Vizcarra. 7th day of quarantine and the curb seems to be flattening as we climb from 363 infected to 393 with about 9 registered deaths. My sister in the US is almost recovered from the virus but now my brother-in-law has started having the symptoms, and he is still being asked to come in to work.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
8 months ago

@Luzbelitx, I heard an audio message (on twitter, I think it was) the other day from a young child to the president – the child’s mother had passed on the message that the kid was worried in case el Ratón Pérez wouldn’t be able to make it to their house with the money for the tooth because of quarentine measures. Fernández took the opportunity to give assurances that el Ratón Pérez is exempt from quarentine restrictions so put the tooth under the pillow, but everybody else stays at home; kid reports getting the money for the tooth, and Fernández responds way to go Ratón Pérez!!! and you can spend the money when quarentine is over, everybody stay at home. It was a smart move, but I have to admit it was also ridiculously cute 🙂

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

So the tooth fairy is an international franchise operation?

Luzbelitx
8 months ago

@opposablethumbs

Yes! It was the cutest thing EVER. But our current Presidente is skilled at delivering cute.

His pet collie, Dylan (named after Bob) and Dylan’s son Prócer have an Instagram account. Prócer was named by people’s vote in Instagram, and is named after the Latin American dub for the Simpsons collie Laddie (and bears a remarkable simmilarity to the cartoon).

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Also cute is his 25 year old son, who’s also a drag queen but generally cute all around.

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Luzbelitx
8 months ago

Moggie
March 23, 2020 at 5:17 pm
So the tooth fairy is an international franchise operation?

Apparently so, though in Latin America takes the form of a mouse.

Are they competing franchises, or outsourcing?

We may never know.

@opposablethumbs

Oh, and he’s also famous for his hilarious replies in twitter. One of my favorites is “I’m not insulting you, I’m describing you!”

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
8 months ago

Revisiting a recurring topic that has been touched on in this thread (in connection with some video game with an odious developer, IIRC):

Sometimes it’s okay to enjoy art made by garbage people and/or with problematic elements, while also being aware of and critical of the problematic aspects.

And sometimes it’s a hard no-we-don’t-want-to-subsidize-this-guy-no-matter-what.

Where exactly should one draw the dividing line here? I get the impression that most here would put e.g. Piers Anthony stuff on the hard-no side of the line, but not, say, a video game with a damsel-in-distress trope. Is there a good rule of thumb for this?

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Surplus
I don’t really have one general rule, but a few thoughts from my personal experience:

1. I care more about the creator(s) and their character than the content of the work. For example, Piers Anthony, in addition to the misogyny in his writing, seems to be a pedophile who wrote really creepy stuff to teenage girls who were fans of his work. The content is also important to think about and can give you an idea of how the creators are, but at the end of the day it’s the people whom you are giving money to, not the in-game characters.

2. I personally am a lot more careful when the creator is still alive. If the creator is dead and no longer profiting from the content, I don’t usually care as much about buying it because they’re not getting more money. So I can listen to the Ring Cycle without feeling guilty, but I don’t listen to Burzum or buy J.K. Rowling’s books.

3. Some things for me are full stop even if the person is dead. For example, I will never enjoy the music of Dissection because the lead guitarist murdered someone then killed himself. Murder, rape, and other serious crimes are a hard no for me.

4. For less serious but still bad stuff: was this now or a long time ago? If it was a long time ago, has the person changed or apologized? Have they made an honest effort to be better?

These mostly apply to music and artwork, but are probably also applicable to video games. Again, this is just my logic, but you may find it applicable as well. YMMV.

Dalillama
Dalillama
8 months ago

For less serious but still bad stuff: was this now or a long time ago? If it was a long time ago, has the person changed or apologized? Have they made an honest effort to be better?

Makes me think of Paul Yarrow, of Peter, Paul, and Mary. He had a conviction for sexual assualt due to being super skeevy with a teenage fan in the early 70s. It was later expunged by the governor and largely forgotten. A last year or the year before he was going to headline some folk festival when the organizers found out about this and disinvited him. His response was basically “Yeah, I did that, and it was wrong and I shouldn’t have done. And I totally understand how in the current social climate you don’t want me at your festival. Hope it goes well. “

Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
8 months ago

Another Ohioan here-Dayton area-so SIP order became official at midnight tonight.
Allowed departures include grocery stores, pharmacies, takeout and delivery from restaurants, anyone working there, and-as long as you stay 6 feet away from everyone else-outdoor activities that don’t happen at playgrounds. My family (so far we’re all OK) might have to go to the store or pharmacy more often than some people, due to one family member’s specific medical needs about which I don’t want to go into detail here-we’ll just be careful about it and wash our hands a lot.
My mom and I both work for the library system. The executive director closed the system about a week ago, before this, and right after closing up he worked hard-and, in the end, successfully!-to get everyone in the system paid for however long we stay closed, so money’s not too much of an issue for us. We do a lot of TV and Internet anyway, so the only changes so far are worrying about getting sick and the much-decreased frequency of trips.
Good luck, everyone!

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

Clarification on the UK lockdown:

Gove said construction workers should still be going to work while staying two metres apart

I’m guessing he’s never been on a building site.

Ledasmom
Ledasmom
8 months ago

Non essential businesses closed here. We are apparently “essential”. Also cannot work from home.
In related news, why are all these people scheduling routine veterinary care during a pandemic?

Hambeast
Hambeast
8 months ago

I wonder what Putin is doing?

Paireon
Paireon
8 months ago

@Hambeast –

I wonder what Putin is doing?

Lying through his teeth to give out an image of “Russia Stronk!” as usual I’d say. Methinks he’s more preoccupied with the oil price war he’s having with the Saudis right now (is saying “a plague on both your houses” too on-the-nose right now? Although I’m amused to see gas at under a dollar per liter in Quebec currently). There was a short Radio-Canada (French CBC) report on how the Russian situation is likely much more dire than it looks about a week and a half back, and a Russian colleague at work (he’s actually from Kazakhstan but ethnic Russian) concurs that Vladdy is hilariously Not To Be Trusted.

As an aside, Putin in French is written Poutine, same as the ridiculously unhealthy-but-delicious Quebec fast-food dish, so that’s always good for a cheap laugh ’round these parts.

Good to see South America (sans Brazil, sadly; vai tomar no cu, Bolsonaro) seems to be handling this like champs; shows that all the readiness in the world means Jack and Shit if you’re too far up your own ass to implement proper policies.

On my side of things, Quebec’s on full stop for at least 3 weeks, even the construction sites. Everything non-essential is closed. Got temporarily laid-off yesterday (would have happened anyway due to work shortage at… well… work) but not too worried (relatively speaking) since I filed my Employment Insurance benefits application this morning and pretty hefty measures have been taken so far both on the federal and provincial level to help alleviate problems AFAIK.

Quebec is now the province with the most cases by far (over 1000), but it’s mostly due to including probable cases along with confirmed cases in the total, as well as expanded testing; probably better to do that now rather than later.

Currently at home with my mother – she’s in her late 60’s so we’re working hard on implementing social distancing and proper hygiene, which isn’t always easy in a condo. We still have some difficulties to iron out but it should be fine. I should finally have the time to properly clean up my room LOL. Plus I tend to be comfortable with staying mostly indoors.

I’m having mixed feelings about being in one of the only Western right-wing governments who’s actually handling this with any degree of competence (a friend who works as a hospital manager for Doctors Without Borders in Delhi even texted on my old gang’s Messenger group that he thought Legault’s response so far had been excellent, and he’s leftier than me so he’s definitely not a fan).

Dalillama
Dalillama
8 months ago

@Paireon

As an aside, Putin in French is written Poutine, same as the ridiculously unhealthy-but-delicious Quebec fast-food dish, so that’s always good for a cheap laugh ’round these parts.

This is because put[a]in is a swear word in French.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 months ago

Well, the euphemism treadmill make it so that now it’s closer to a random interjection than a swear thoses days. Such is the destiny of any french words that is in lexical field of sex. [putain started by meaning prostitute]

Paireon
Paireon
8 months ago

@Dalillama – LOL I should know, French is my native tongue! My ancestor on my mother’s side arrived in New France circa the 1630’s, and IIRC he and his two brothers opened up the very first general store of the colony in Quebec city in 1644. There’s a plaque at the emplacement (which is now a park in Vieux Quebec).

…Gonna have to try and find a place that delivers good poutine soon, now that I think about it…

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
8 months ago

Is this the end of consumerism?

Moreover: I’ve long suspected that with modern machinery it only takes a tiny amount of labor per capita to meet all essential needs. In a month everyone will know this to be true … will they demand 10-hour work weeks or similar? Or at least that that be enough work per week to cover basic cost of living expenses?

This could lead to seismic political shifts — and to reactionary backlashes against them.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
8 months ago

Re: Putin and COVID-19

Lying through his teeth to give out an image of “Russia Stronk!” as usual I’d say. Methinks he’s more preoccupied with the oil price war he’s having with the Saudis right now (is saying “a plague on both your houses” too on-the-nose right now? Although I’m amused to see gas at under a dollar per liter in Quebec currently). There was a short Radio-Canada (French CBC) report on how the Russian situation is likely much more dire than it looks about a week and a half back, and a Russian colleague at work (he’s actually from Kazakhstan but ethnic Russian) concurs that Vladdy is hilariously Not To Be Trusted.

I’ve seen occasional coverage of Russia’s COVID-19 response on Finnish news. Apparently, the infection numbers are wildly underreported, and the media downplays the seriousness of the situation to prevent panic, while the authorities are scrambling with preparations. By now even Putin’s own messaging is gradually becoming more serious. Social distancing measures are being instituted step by step and region by region, without much fuss. Personally I’d say it’s all too little, too late. I see this same story playing out in various authoritarian countries across the world, and also in some sort-of-democratic coutries.

Last week, both Russia and EU (and separately Finland) abruptly closed closed their mutual border. Finnish and Russian citizens who were “trapped” across the border have had great difficulty returning home, despite being technically allowed (?) to do so. A Finnish diplomatic courier service has been contracted to “uber” people in their cars coming and going.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Surplus

Is this the end of consumerism?

I doubt it, seeing as people are having lots delivered still.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
8 months ago

Since this seems like the most recent thread to ask this on that’s still active….

IF this citizen bailout thing the US government is arguing about goes through, does anyone know if people with liens on them will see any of that money? I have two on me at the moment (IRS and State of Indiana), and I was wondering if they would automatically get first dibs on that money instead of me.

Since, you know, they need that money soooooo much more than I need it to pay my rent and fix my car and pay some other bills and…. /s