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Racist idea man Steve Sailer wants male scientists working on coronavirus to be exempt from #MeToo accusations

Man scientist doing important man work, cannot be disturbed by petty complaints from women he groped

By David Futrelle

Noted racist, er, “intellectual” Steve Sailer has an interesting proposal that he thinks could speed up research on the coronavirus: we should exempt male researchers in the field from accusations of sexual harassment and assault until the virus is finally defeated.

While he proudly notes that most of the researchers in the field are dudes, he’s worried about all the women who will be working alongside them — each one of them a possible accuser!

“Under 2019 Rules,” he lamented in a blog post on the white supremacist VDare site,

any man running a large organization that employed a lot of women and who happened to Surface in the Media was fair game for any woman who used to work for him deciding that what The Conversation needed now to be about was about that time he put his hand on my shoulder at work and it made me feel funny and I thought about it for weeks and I have now decided it was sexual assault. So Society must validate my feeling by firing this man from his job . . .

Here’s my request: Under 2020 Rules, we postpone all such Conversations involving anybody involved in the effort for the duration.

Because these male researchers are just too darn busy to be disturbed by accusations from all the women they grope.

I mean, who’s got time for that?

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Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

Is this in response to some scientist being accused of assault? Otherwise this just seems like a random excuse to be misogynistic (which is probably what it is). I haven’t heard of any coronavirus-related scientists being accused of misconduct, but I would rather we have people who aren’t predators be working on vaccines.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 months ago

We’re in a global crisis, with scientists and health care professionals working around the clock, and this is his thought process?

Trust a misogynist to turn “all hands on deck” into “all hands on dick”.

Cats In Shiny Hats
Cats In Shiny Hats
7 months ago

One of the roommates has tested clear. The other is still not tested, but has been diagnosed with Covid-19 by symptoms and duration. The doctor wants to give #2 a test, but. We aren’t rich. So we aren’t a priority, like Hollywood people are.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
7 months ago

If you’ve got time to sexually harass someone, you’ve got time to deal with the consequences of sexually harassing someone.

Fabe
Fabe
7 months ago

Fucking brilliant idea! not only should this be implemented for all the mens working on the vaccine but for all mens working on anything and everything until all the problems in the universe are resolved!

seriously though,fuck that guy. its bad enough we have people using this outbreak to spread all sort of hate via conspiracy accusations we don’t need to add advocating over looking sexually assault as well.

Definitely not Steve
Definitely not Steve
7 months ago

The field is not as dominated by men as he perhaps thinks it is.

jvi (dot) asm (dot) org/content/91/16/e00739-17

(This spam filter is a tough nut to crack!)

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
7 months ago

I hadn’t heard of any accusations being made, so this isn’t even a reaction, it’s a presumptive measure on behalf of those poor male scientists who just wanna abuse the women around them.

I’m not saying there are none who would because there’s always that one dick, but why does this guy assume serious people working on a vaccine for this shit would have such a lack of respect for the women working hard alongside them, and need such protection? Not everyone is an asshole like you, Steve Sailor.

Moggie
Moggie
7 months ago

The research in question is almost incalculably important. If you’re sexually harassing your colleagues, you’re obviously not focusing 100% on the work, so get the fuck out of the way and let more diligent people pick up your slack.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Big Titty Demon

I’m not saying there are none who would because there’s always that one dick, but why does this guy assume serious people working on a vaccine for this shit would have such a lack of respect for the women working hard alongside them, and need such protection? Not everyone is an asshole like you, Steve Sailor.

It is telling that misogynists like Sailer assume all men are rapist assholes who can’t control themselves. It’s a very negative view of men, and one that I (and probably most other feminists) would disagree with. And they say we’re the man-haters.

@Moggie
And I’m sure female colleagues will work much better in an environment where they aren’t being harassed.

Side note: does his name remind anyone else of Popeye the Sailor Man?

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
7 months ago

“I’m working around the clock. My team is drained. We need funding, access to equipment, MORE TIME! What do you have for me?”

“No women are allowed to accuse you of sexual harassment or assault until we get this dealt with.”

” What? ”

“You can cop a feel any time you want. Isn’t that great? ”

“Get out of my lab before I kill you with this very expensive microscope upside the head.”

Hypatia's Daughter
Hypatia's Daughter
7 months ago

I don’t suppose that Stevie the Sailerdope ever considered that all the women who are researching the virus & treating the victims would perform their life saving role a lot better if the men around them were focusing on the job & not their boners?
Why do these guys always make men look like drunken frat boys at a toga party who are incapable of acting like professionals? Companies hire women for their professional abilities to do a job (as they do the men), not as the entertainment at a stag party.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
7 months ago

Naglfar,. I’m thinking researchers who aren’t creepy predators would do better work because they’d be focused on curing a disease rather than doing creepy things to their coworkers. So hiring non-predators has a clear advantage. No doubt giving preference to the non-creeps would give MRAs another reason to piss and moan. 🙂

Ucalegont
Ucalegont
7 months ago

Today, the Covid-19 thing is the main concern in everybody’s mind. This means that the people working against the disease are about the most prestigious collective in the world.

This prestige is shared by men and women. Women are taking part of the cake. To solve that, we decree freedom of sexual assault.

Freedom of sexual assault will make some men spend time in sexual assault matters, some other men spend time in what-should-I-do-in-this-situation moral matters, and women spend time dealing with the consequences of aggression. It will work for the disease.

But the women will leave, and that’s what’s important. Because then all the prestige will go to men, and women will be made less relevant and less powerful.

After all, what matters most to us is not human life, but disenfranchising women.

(Everything up to now /s).

It could also make sense to compare how much women participate in the actual work, and how much space they have in media compared to men, to see if both things correlate.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
7 months ago

If this actually came into effect, and there were actually people as dumb as Sailer doing useful research, what are the odds they would intentionally work slowly just to have this in effect as long as possible?

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
7 months ago

Clearly everyone is missing his point. His proposal isn’t to give license to sexual predators. That would merely be a minor side-effect, assuming it ever happened at all, ever, which it doesn’t.

No, no, no, no, no! This is to free innocent men from the constant, crippling fear that the vindictive harpies they’re forced to work with will level false (and they’re always false of course) accusations, thus taking these valiant men from their life-saving work! Who could oppose such measures? We know who. It’s feminists, who want us all to die. /s

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
7 months ago

Just one problem, Steve. This kind of policy would discourage social distancing. That’s what we’re all about now. Keeping our distance from viral entities. That includes any scientist-guy who wants to get grabby.

Maybe later, Steve, after this pandemic — which at this point has now killed more than 10,000 people — has run its course, we can talk about how you totally, totally don’t deserve to go to prison for helping yourself to women’s bodies.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
7 months ago

Here’s my request: Under 2020 Rules, we postpone all such Conversations involving anybody involved in the effort for the duration.

I know Conversation here means only conversations about men’s inappropriate behaviour, but because of the wording it sounds nice and inclusive. Gay creeps could creep on other dudes, women could creep on women and men, as long as they’re “involved” in the effort. It’s not how you solve a crisis but it could make an equal opportunity porno.

In reality it’s just another fantasy about the breakdown of society, where you get to do whatever you want because your skills are just so darn necessary that no one can do without you.

@Kat
I was thinking the same. Even the example of a woman not liking her boss’s hand on her shoulder screams “you are already too close now!”

Romaine-la-Prophétesse
Romaine-la-Prophétesse
7 months ago

Is this in response to some scientist being accused of assault? Otherwise this just seems like a random excuse to be misogynistic (which is probably what it is).

To Praphrase Chapo Trap House – Those Idiots get angry about made up scenarios, that only exist in their heads.

Also can we please get ofer the Idea of the Genious Individual, who towers over the rest of the mortals and to whom moral an ethical concerns shouldn`t apply. This Idea has already done far to much damage.

Sheila Crosby
7 months ago

As Naglfar already said, letting predators prey with impunity means that society loses the contributions of the preyed upon.

The Welsh singer Duffy recently told the world the reason she disappeared from music for years: “I was raped and drugged and held captive over some days.”

How many more are there? How many songs and novels went unwritten? How many great scientific discoveries have been postponed idenfinitely because someone was raped, had bad grades for that semester and never made it to grad school?

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Masse_mysteria

In reality it’s just another fantasy about the breakdown of society, where you get to do whatever you want because your skills are just so darn necessary that no one can do without you.

Speaking of fantasies of breakdown of society, we are certainly approaching such a breakdown, but seeing no signs of MRAs becoming important. No, it’s the doctors and nurses and sanitation workers and other jobs that matter, not the MRAs who sit around on Reddit all day.

Skiriki
Skiriki
7 months ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Trust a misogynist to turn “all hands on deck” into “all hands on dick”.

You win all the internets.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
7 months ago

Racist Moron wrote:

…any man running a large organization that employed a lot of women and who happened to Surface in the Media was fair game….

[Emphasis mine.]

I know it’s foolish to look for actual meaning in the random capitalization of pretentious pseudointellectual cranks who believe that Victorian grammar imparts a certain gravitas to otherwise flaccid prose, but this one just calls out to me for some reason. Why capitalize “Surface” and not “happened”? Why leave “organization” uncapitalized, when it’s obviously important enough to be mentioned in “the Media” (which is probably the only defensible instance of capitalization in the whole sentence)? And “fair game” would have totally been capped by some English doofus in a walrus mustache, so why no love here?

So.

Many.

Questions….

Katamount
7 months ago

…I don’t think “sexual assault” counts as social distancing, Steve.

Victorious Parasol
7 months ago

Speaking as someone who just learned she’s going to be providing tech support for COVID-19 testing … if Steve Sailer has enough idle time to come up with ideas like this, I’d invite him to clean my living room, but I wouldn’t trust him in my neighborhood, much less my house.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 months ago

@Gaebolga – I call that writing style Crank Winnie the Pooh. The words that are capitalized are likely the ones that sound the most insistent and angriest inside their heads as they’re typing. Common tell: uppercase “Men”, lowercase “women”.

@Skiriki – thanks! 🙂

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

@ buttercup

Winnie the Pooh

We’re doing a lot of things by video conference at the moment. And I recently found out that only dressing professionally on your top half is called “Winnie-ing”; after Winnie the Pooh.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Buttercup
The capitalizing of “Men” and lowercase “women” reminds me of how white supremacists like to write “White” with a capital W but write “jews” and “black” as lowercase. It’s also a way of enforcing hierarchies.

Moggie
Moggie
7 months ago

@Alan:

We’re doing a lot of things by video conference at the moment. And I recently found out that only dressing professionally on your top half is called “Winnie-ing”; after Winnie the Pooh.

I don’t think that works. In the original Shepard illustrations, Pooh was naked. Disney dressed him in the croppiest of crop tops, not appropriate videoconferencing attire in most companies.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

@ moggie

This is doing the rounds on legal internet.

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Moggie
Moggie
7 months ago

For Cornetto fans:

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

Dogs can’t look up!

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
7 months ago

Is this like that ancient Greek law that in wartime nobody was allowed to refuse sex to soldiers? (I don’t know if that was a real law, or just something Plato of somebody proposed, but it sort of gets parodied by Aristophanes)

Sheila Crosby
7 months ago

@Moon Custafer Now I’m trying to think of a scenario where it would be at least semi-logical to have a law where nobody was allowed to refuse sex to tour guides or writers. Tricky.

(Yes. Yes I am getting bored. Why do you ask?)

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Sheila Crosby

Now I’m trying to think of a scenario where it would be at least semi-logical to have a law where nobody was allowed to refuse sex to tour guides or writers. Tricky.

If a country’s entire economy depends on erotic novel publication and the writers need to get lots of “experience” to write from?

epitome of incomprehensibility

Also can we please get ofer the Idea of the Genious Individual, who towers over the rest of the mortals and to whom moral an ethical concerns shouldn`t apply.

@Romaine-la-Prophétesse – I second that!

OT, but Justin Trudeau just announced that people crossing the border irregularly between Canada and the US will be sent back to the US. As people were asking questions about this, he first said that it was a “temporary measure” but then seemed to say he’d been trying to reach an agreement with the US for some time and this COVID-19 crisis finally allowed the US to agree.

I don’t think it’s fair, especially right now. If the Canadian border towns aren’t too strapped for resources (a reporter asked him whether they were and he dodged the question), Canada still has more reliable healthcare than the US overall.

Although…if people don’t have a health card, they do have to pay. I suppose there are humanitarian exemptions, but those wouldn’t be available to everyone. So I don’t know whether they would ALWAYS be better off here, but they’re trying to come to Canada for a reason, right? Trudeau said something like, “Most of them have legal status in the US, so Canada is still complying with the refugee protection act.”

Most? How can you tell? Argh. I think we should have scrapped the so-called “Safe Third Country Agreement” so that migrants coming in through the US wouldn’t be sent back when arriving at legal border crossings and their cases could be reviewed as fairly as possible. (Then, yeah, the border might still be closed to them NOW, because of the coronavirus, but more of them would be better off.)

…Also, Trudeau isn’t as bad as the US president, but he never seems to answer direct questions and he seems to avoid “I don’t know” like the plague (or COVID-19 for “these historic times”) 🙂 It’s frustrating to listen to him sometimes.

Johanna
Johanna
7 months ago

Maybe a bit cynical of me, but based on my experiences in academia Steve’s suggestion is pretty much how it works already. Sure, occasionally someone is held accountable. But the vast majority of cases are swept under the rug, especially if the perpetrator is well funded or working on something high profile.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
7 months ago

@epitome : if Canada have excess hospital capacity, it’s probably way safer and less chaotic to send doctors, nurses, and supplies to the US.

An influx of medicare refugees have at least three problems :
* they will spread the Coronavirus, like any population movement
* the lack of control over the flux will make planning and effective restrictions hard. You could accept 10 refugees right now, and three week later the respirators they use are lacking for native cases
* it basically mean the USA will rely on the Canada for its healthcare capacity planning from now on

The question of fairness boil down to if you think the healthcare providers can absorb that influx without collapsing later on the line. If it collapse, then it’s hubris and not fairness. And honestly, after seeing the northern Italy collapse, I would not bet that Canada is good on that point.

Of course, there’s also the problem that in a very real sense, it mean spending ressources (and it can include human lives, not just money) to deal with the problem a failed state created for itself. One of the lesson I learned looking at humanitarian help by the west in the last fifty year, it’s that trying to dig other countries out of their own hole often is bad idea, and sometime lead to tragedy.

NOBODY
NOBODY
7 months ago

Italy called. They have some bad news for MGTOW thinking to exploit the Covid-19 pandemic:

“Dr. Deborah Birx announced that in Italy, they’re finding that mortality for males is twice that of females,”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/t/in-italy-coronavirus-male-mortality-rate-twice-that-of-females-dr-birx/vp-BB11t6yL

Reality is apparently misandrist.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@NOBODY
Right now TERFs are having a field day with that statistic because they’re hoping the coronavirus will kill trans* women and AMAB non-binary people. Leave it to TERFs to find a way to spin coronavirus into transphobia.

NOBODY
NOBODY
7 months ago

@Naglfar

These TERFs aren’t very good at math. Trans people account for a very small percentage of population groups.

TERFs had better hope it will not affect the trans population to that degree. If it does, we’ll be in civilization on edge of apocalypse territory, because that will mean it will have proportionally decimated the general population we’re all depending on to keep things going….

Snowberry
Snowberry
7 months ago

I’m wondering. Is the fatality level correlated to hormone levels to any degree? If so, that may not do what TERFs are hoping, even if what they’re hoping for is a statistically small effect.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
7 months ago

I’ve seen it suggested that smoking disparity between genders is the main factor. AFAIK the smoking disparity is big in older folks, not so much in younger folks.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 months ago

@Kat

That’s what we’re all about now. Keeping our distance from viral entities. That includes any scientist-guy who wants to get grabby.

Seems like a dry cough would be a good deterrent against handsy co-workers.

Or not, if we’re dealing with the sort of super genius who puts his delicate male ego before life-saving research.

Sheila Crosby
7 months ago

@Naglfar Thank you for making me laugh just when I needed it.

Two of my close friends are middle-aged transwomen, both with heart conditions. The good bit is that they live out in the country so they can isolate better than most people.

The extra male deaths could be smoking or other not-taking-care-of-your-health behaviours due to toxic masculinity. Or hormones. Or the lack of a spare X chromosome which sometimes makes a difference, I believe.

I feel like there’s a slow-motion tsunami looming over me. Only 11 cases so far on this island of 83,000 people, but it was 4 when we went into lockdown. A friend in Germany ignored all the pleas to be careful and went to a party. Now someone else at the party has tested positive and my friend has a fever and cough. She’s mid-chemo, so I don’t think she’ll make it.

Could we have some kittens? Or sloths? I think we could use a baby sloth round about now.
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opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
7 months ago

@Sheila Crosby, I’m so sorry! I hope your friend does make it in spite of this :-(((((((((

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Sheila Crosby

The extra male deaths could be smoking or other not-taking-care-of-your-health behaviours due to toxic masculinity. Or hormones. Or the lack of a spare X chromosome which sometimes makes a difference, I believe.

I’ve heard various explanations, including smoking, estrogen levels, and extra receptors from an extra X chromosome. I’m somewhat curious then how this then affects people with extra or fewer sex chromosomes (e.g. Klinefelter’s, Turner’s, triple X syndrome, etc).

Sheila Crosby
7 months ago

@Naglfar Yes, I’m curious too. I don’t know if anyone’s even done research yet. I hadn’t heard of triple-X before. And the TERFs still insist that everyone on the planet is XX or XY.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Sheila Crosby
Triple X syndrome is about 1 out of every 1000 AFAB people, so it does exist. There’s also the much rarer Tetrasomy X (48, XXXX) and exceedingly rare pentasomy X (49,XXXXX) and similar variations like XXXY syndrome or XYY or XXYY or XXXXY. And that’s even without the variations on X and Y like how some people have XY but develop female secondary sex characteristics (AIS, for example) or X chromosomes with SRY genes, causing XX individuals to develop ambiguous or male characteristics. Or all the intersex DSDs with “normal” sex chromosomes. Or mosaicism where some cells have one and others have another (like this person, who had XY in most of her cells but had a functioning uterus and was able to give birth unaided). So it is much more complicated than TERFs make it out to be.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Sheila Crosby
There are also other variations like XXXY, XXXXY, XXYY, XYY, XXXX, XXXXX, and more. And that’s without even going into chimerism where some cells can be XX and others XY, or conditions like androgen insensitivity syndrome or XX male syndrome can make someone’s phenotype appear opposite their sex chromosomes naturally, or intersex DSDs unrelated to sex chromosomes. As any biologist will tell you, it’s a lot more complicated than TERFs and fundies make it out to be.
(I had another post with links that disappeared, if that appears later apologies for the double post).

epitome of incomprehensibility

@Sheila Crosby – That sounds worrying to hear. I hope she’s all right.

The teacup sloth is adorable!

@Ohlmann – I think there’s a difference between sending people to another country unasked-for and accepting refugees to your country. The first seems more like hubris, the colonialist/interventionist “I can fix everything” approach.

Now, maybe I wasn’t clear – and of course you don’t have to agree! – but I think the Canadian govt. should have found a way to scrap the Safe Third Country Agreement before. Way before. It would mean, too, that this decision could have been avoided, since the US/Canada border is closed to all non-essential travel now anyway.

What happened was that the Canadian authorities were quarantining people who arrived at the border irregularly, just as other people coming into the country from outside were asked to isolate themselves for 14 days (it’s not exactly the same, of course, since the others are not forced or incarcerated). Now, perhaps the border places were worried about running out of resources. In that case Trudeau should have said so.

Or else it seems like he’s using crises as an excuse to limit human rights. And maybe he is.