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Is Taylor Swift’s new “The Man” video worse than Hitler? Some addled MGTOWs say “yes”

Taylor Swift: Feminazi propagandist?

By David Futrelle

In Taylor Swift’s new music video “The Man,” the pop icon dons male drag (complete with scruffy beard) and struts about like the biggest douchebag on planet earth — manspreading on the subway, throwing a temper tantrum on a tennis court, pissing in public, and, in a scene from “58 years later,” marrying a woman who looks like she could be her/his great-granddaughter. As a riff on male entitlement, it’s not what you’d call especially subtle. But it still manages to be funny in spots.

Naturally, Reddit’s crew of Men Going Their Own Way see it as an attack on men roughly equivalent to Hitler’s attacks on “the jew people.” (Normally, MGTOWs tend to be somewhat friendly to Hitler and his ideas, but in this case the comparison is supposed to mean that Taylor Swift is very very bad.)

“Normalizing hate against men is part of their strategy,” warns one MGTOW called Allanlemos..

This is what the nazi did with the jew people,first they were subtle,then they started being upfront with their hate and made it normal and mainstream.Then when the jews became utterly dehumanized in the eyes of most germans,they took things to the next level.

That’s exactly what is being done to men and they don’t even realize it,the result of this will be men [being] considered and treated like subhumans,then you can guess what is going to happen.If you think that I’m crazy or exaggerating,look up Valerie Solanas,she was one of the few women who were upfront about the true ultimate goal of feminism.

Yes, he’s talking about a Taylor Swift video.

Someone called GemStarCM21 replies with a similarly, er, intense take.

That’s why I keep predicting, no matter how farfetched it may sound, that in the future there might be actual conflict/war between men and women.

What we see today is already signs of a gender cold war; a prime example, this video, all the undercover hate directed towards men, rules for men and none for women, favoritism for women, quotas, etc.

I think the ground work is being lain, for something terrible in the future.

Allanlemos replies:

I don’t think it’s going to be an all-out war between men and women because all the power they have actually comes from men themselves.

What might happen is a war men against men.Feminists will just use the indoctrinated men to destroy the men who don’t go along with their ideology,like MGTOWs and red pills.Their strategy is more elaborated than the one used by the nazis.

The nazis convinced the german people that the enemy(jews) were bad.Feminists convinced women that the enemy(men) are bad,and convinced the enemy(men) that themselves are bad.So this men now think that they have to be more like women,and that they should serve women willingly.

All this because Taylor Swift put on a suit and a fake beard.

Other MGTOWs second the Nazi comparison and throw a few more ideologies into the pot as well.

She’s sexist

She hates all men

She doesn’t have a clue about reality or what men are like

She’s a Feminazi

She’s just another used up Thot that’s up against the wall and soon to hit it hard

She’s another SJW that doesn’t have an original thought in her head and takes the easy route to fit in with the hollywood/feminazi/code pink/liberal/Socialist-Communist/Progressive comrades.

I’m pretty sure that there is no ideological beast that manages to combine Hollywood actors, feminists, liberals, socialists and communists. If you don’t believe me, MGTOW dudes, just go to Twitter and watch as liberals and socialists fight to the death, with both groups ragging on the communists.

Meanwhile, someone called jhooperp rages at the whole idea of drag, comparing it to blackface.

So a white man dressing as a black man is racist.

A woman dressing as a man is ok.

Uh, you are aware of this, right? And this and this and this and this?

MGTOWs are weird.

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Tohka
Tohka
6 months ago

Men Getting Triggered Over Women love to cry sexism but hoping for women to be genocided off the planet or forced and tortured to be sex slaves is normal and not misogynistic to them.

Theyre also in bed with white nationalists too who cry about white genocide. Then turn around and call people Hilter as an insult.

Oh well I just love how they’re quarantined lol. Their fault too. You can’t cry victim then have your members plan a terrorist attack. Hope that they’ll be banned along with the manosphere in general. How many times have we read about violence coming from them? They got to be on a few surveillance lists already from that

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

I remember the days when the alt right loved Taylor Swift, then tried to convince themselves she was actually trans* because that was the worst insult they could come up with.

Normally, MGTOWs tend to be somewhat friendly to Hitler and his ideas, but in this case the comparison is supposed to mean that Taylor Swift is very very bad.

I always find it odd that the right wing can have the cognitive dissonance of liking Hitler but also comparing all they hate to Nazis. I’m guessing as usual they just don’t think about it (or anything much at all, for that matter).

Meanwhile, someone called jhooperp rages at the whole idea of drag, comparing it to blackface.

I’ve heard TERFs say a similar argument re: drag as part of their effort to conflate trans* women and drag queens and bash both.

Speaking of which: how do trans* men feel about Taylor Swift’s video? As a trans* woman I don’t have anything against drag queens (though there is a bit of a transphobia problem in some areas of drag, such as RuPaul saying some bigoted stuff), but I’m not sure how trans* men feel about the somewhat less common inverse scenario of women dressing as men.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
6 months ago

Truly, the MGTOWrags have surpassed the Red Queen’s believing in six impossible things before breakfast by extending it to mutually-recursive and contradictory things too:

1. Taylor Swift is an Aryan princess…
2. Who is also Hitler…
3. Who killed the poor Jews who are Just Like Us™…
4. Except (((the Jews))) are responsible for women getting uppity and not wanting to sleep with us…
5. Which means Hitler is good, actually…
6. So Taylor Swift, who is Hitler, is also good but she’s hit the wall and is a repulsive crone now
7. GOTO 1

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
6 months ago

I… I clicked the last “this.” My mind. Forever scarred. Couldn’t watch the whole thing, it went past train wreck level.

Karalora
Karalora
6 months ago

They think everything is worse than Hitler because they think Hitler was the bee’s knees.

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
6 months ago

@Cat Mara

Truly, the MGTOWrags have surpassed the Red Queen’s believing in six impossible things before breakfast by extending it to mutually-recursive and contradictory things too:

1. Taylor Swift is an Aryan princess…
2. Who is also Hitler…
3. Who killed the poor Jews who are Just Like Us™…
4. Except (((the Jews))) are responsible for women getting uppity and not wanting to sleep with us…
5. Which means Hitler is good, actually…
6. So Taylor Swift, who is Hitler, is also good but she’s hit the wall and is a repulsive crone now
7. GOTO 1

In short: the MGTOW’s are pulling a “Card Say’s Moop’s Maneuver” to the point of pile-up.

Kevin
Kevin
6 months ago

Anyone else took another look at Beyonce’s ‘If I Were a Boy’ because of this?

galanx
galanx
6 months ago

What’s a Thot? (Legitimate question- I’m too old and isolated to keep up with modern slang like all you hepcats.)

Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
6 months ago

@galanx

Acronym for “That H* Over There.” Classy, huh?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

That ho over there. At least I think that’s what it is. I’m old too!

I’m rocking out to one of my favorite 90’s albums, Becoming X by The Sneaker Pimps if you want to date me 🙂

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
6 months ago

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

That ho over there. At least I think that’s what it is. I’m old too!

Yeah, that’s pretty much what it means…. and jeez it’s freaking terrible rhetoric.

I honestly think it must tie with the folks that say “If she breaths: she’s a Thot”….. which take it to it’s horrible, logical conclusion: means that to the dude-bros who utter that phrase: even little girls and my grandmother and every living female human being on the planet; is, somehow “a hoe”. Just because they exist and breath.

I’d say this ilk has the brains of tulips: but that would be an insult to tulips. Because at least Tulips are pleasing to senses.

It’s disgusting as hell, and it baffles me why anyone would think up a ugly, sexist, Male Chauvinist meme of bs like that… than I remember that it was a meme crafted and forged from sexist male chauvinism and intended to act to such ends.

I’m a guy and I’m just as annoyed and nauseated by this crap and I wish it would get yeeted into the sun where it belongs.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
6 months ago

OT:

Happy Birthday to me. Hopefully working with the local government service will translate to better work. And maybe I can finally get the education and training to succeed in my career choice.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 months ago

That’s why I keep predicting, no matter how farfetched it may sound, that in the future there might be actual conflict/war between men and women.

Farfetched? No. Rapists and batterers are domestic terrorists and their enemy is women.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 months ago

@Ooglyboggles
Happy, happy birthday! Hope it’s a wonderful day.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 months ago

@galanx:

What’s a hepcat? (Legitimate question- I’m too old and isolated to keep up with modern slang like all you hoopy froods.)

@Oogly:

Happy birthday!

Frederic Christie
6 months ago

But supporting a Hitler would be okay if it were protecting men! No wonder they project the idea of a gender cold war onto women and feminists: they already fighting it.

Need I even mention that these people overwhelmingly tell other people to get a thicker skin, or say criticism of artists and performers is censorship, or defend blackface, or laugh at men mocking women in drag (as is quite common – e.g. Medea), or…?

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Ooglyboggles
Happy birthday!

@Surplus
A hepcat means a stylish or fashionable person in the jazz or ska scene.

@Frederic Christie

Need I even mention that these people overwhelmingly tell other people to get a thicker skin, or say criticism of artists and performers is censorship, or defend blackface, or laugh at men mocking women in drag (as is quite common – e.g. Medea), or…?

I see this all the time in music when they defend conservative musicians expressing their opinions but repeatedly tell left/liberal musicians to stop putting their politics on display. Sort of like when Taylor Swift started endorsing democrats in state elections.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
6 months ago

Happy birthday, @Ooglyboggles! And bestgoodluckwishes for your plans.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
6 months ago

Wow, my opinion of Taylor Swift went up from the sub-basement to the stratosphere.

Even though all modern pop music (meaning post-2000) sounds more or less the same to me, like fingernails on a chalkboard.

RIP, Robert Palmer and Stuart Adams – remember Big Country, anyone?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ dormousing-it

Big Country, anyone?

Oh yes. Making lumberjack shirts trendy decades before Nirvana.

Jesalin, Goddess of Lust & Pleasure
Jesalin, Goddess of Lust & Pleasure
6 months ago

When were lumberjack shirts ever not trendy?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ jes

Good point.

There was a feature on Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour once about lady lumberjacks. One lass mentioned that as a lumberjack and grunge fan she got to wear the shirt under three categories. Took me a while to figure that one out.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

Lumberjack shirts are cool. End of statement.

I’m not very much into modern pop music, but I do like how much some pop stars get the alt right upset. Like Taylor Swift (this isn’t her first time doing this) and Miley Cyrus (also multiple times). Good on Taylor for taking on toxic masculinity and making MRAs sad.

WritchCodex
6 months ago

I don’t think it’s going to be an all-out war between men and women because all the power they have actually comes from men themselves.

Doesn’t this unintentionally imply that it’s men who actually have all the power and that women have to appeal to men in some way in order to even get the small amount they have? You know, like the “feminazis” always say?

… NAH!

Crip Dyke
6 months ago

I don’t think it’s going to be an all-out war between men and women because all the power they have actually comes from men themselves.

Misogynists: Women have no power except that which men deign to delegate.

Also misogynists: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PATRIARCHY!!!!!!!
IT’S A MATRIARCHY!!!!!!!!! FEAR THE MATRIARCHY!!!!!!!!!!

Crip Dyke
6 months ago

@Surplus:

What’s a hepcat?

It’s just a respelling of the 1950s Beatnik slang. “Hep” meant cool. “Cat” meant “guy” or “person”. So as a two-word phase, “hep cat” meant “cool guy” (though of course there are multiple ways to be cool because there are multiple simultaneous subcultures, so “hep cat” would only be said of a cool beatnik guy.

As I understand it, beatnik slang has been brought back in certain subcultures from time to time, especially hipster subculture, but possibly others, I don’t know.

So it’s just a guess, but I assume it means pretty much the same as it did in the 1950s – “cool guy who shares my subculture”, but as a single word and with the relevant subculture updated to whatever the cool kids who co-opt beatnik slang are groovin to these days.

…separately…

remember Big Country, anyone?

You know, it wasn’t until just now that I realized that “Big Country” could be interpreted in a manner similar to “Big Pharma”. Like, maybe it had multiple meanings and one of them was a subtle dig at Nashville? (I’m not saying this is true, just amused at an interpretation that had never occurred to me before.)

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
6 months ago

(sigh) Hypocrisy, thy name is MGTOW.

@Ooglyboggles

Happy birthday!

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Crip Dyke

You know, it wasn’t until just now that I realized that “Big Country” could be interpreted in a manner similar to “Big Pharma”.

I originally read it as a genre of music, maybe a cross between country and big band swing akin to western swing. I didn’t know about the band and it was only when I looked it up that I found out it was a band name.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

Now I have visions of Dolly Parton and Kenny Rodgers going round places saying “Nice record shop. Be a shame if anything happened to it.” Then asking if they want to buy any records.

Seth S
Seth S
6 months ago

As a trans man I can’t fathom having such insecurity about my masculinity that I feel that my entire way of life is being attacked and threatened by some celebrity dressing in drag. Admittedly it might be because I’m not interested in trying to pretend to be a man’s man anyway, but…. wowwww. They’ve got way too much time on their hands and are spending way too much time inside their own heads.

As for how I feel about the video? Well, like any group trans men are not a hivemind, but personally I don’t mind at all (I found out I was trans by becoming a drag king first, myself) and I think it’s funny and right on target because the world treats you VERY differently if you pass as male and look like a regular guy (sorry gals, your suspicions that you’re not being treated fairly are absolutely 100% correct). I think a lot of my other trans male and trans masc friends would agree. And there’s a loooot of misogyny in the drag world, holy cow…..

Full Metal Ox
6 months ago

@ David Futrelle:

A woman dressing as a man is ok.

Uh, you are aware of this, right? And this and this and this and this?

Could I interest you in a man dressed as three women?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KcOs70dZAw

@Ooglyboggles:

Happy birthday; the fact that your birthday coincides with Saint David’s Day in Wales affords an opportunity to share some leek soup recipes.

This one is ancient enough to predate the introduction of the potato:

http://soupsong.com/rcawn.html

Not traditionally Welsh, but vegan (or perhaps Lenten, if you omit the adult beverage?) friendly:

https://liveearthfarm.net/creamy-japanese-leek-soup-with-miso/

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ full metal ox

If you’re secretly working for big leek they owe you a bonus; I’ll be on a sake hunt tomorrow.

And this is sage advice for life generally.

Don’t be concerned if a slippery substance appears.

Full Metal Ox
6 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

If you’re secretly working for big leek they owe you a bonus…

So would another arm of that insidious cabal be WikiLeeks?

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
6 months ago

“Rules for men and none for women”? So I have no rules? Goody!

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 months ago

Funny how the existence of a video gently mocking some odious male-coded behaviors is evidence of a war between men and women, but the disproportionate amount of rapes and intimate partner murders that are committed by men against women aren’t evidence of anything at all.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
6 months ago

@Naglfar:

I guess I’m a dinosaur. How sad, Big Country is nearly forgotten. They were one of my faves, when I was a teen.

OT: My sister-in-law Marian was killed when she was hit by a car, late in January. She was 66 years old, a good 14 years older than I am. My husband is her heir. She worked for the state of Connecticut. When she died, she had 35 days to go before retirement. Her, and her 92 year old father, were going to come live with us. She was her father’s caretaker. We’ve been building an addition onto our house for them. They would, of course, pay rent to us.

Now, we find out that the pension she would have received from the state of Connecticut, can only be paid out to a spouse, of which she had none. All of this is uncharted waters to my husband and I. I suggested my husband see a lawyer.

Fortounately, Marian did have around $60K in CDs. Another issue: When we found out Marian had died, we had to quickly change the building plans for the addition, making it quite a bit smaller. We paid a penalty for this, since it was only about 10 days before construction was to start.

My father-in-law will still be coming here to live with us. I hope he makes it. Otherwise, we’ll have a vacant, brand-new addition. I guess we could rent it out.

Just venting.

Cats In Shiny Hats
Cats In Shiny Hats
6 months ago

@Dormousing_it

I’m so sorry for your loss. I hope that everything else going smoothly so that you can grieve in peace.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
6 months ago

Thanks, Cats in Shiny Hats. I know this thread is stale now.

Betrayer
Betrayer
6 months ago

TERFs will call drag queens “womanface” so it’s not surprising seeing MGTOWs comparing drag kings to black face too. TERFs and MRAs have similar thoughts about a lot of things.