By David Futrelle
Never before, it seems, have so many men so confidently answered the question “what do women want” with zero input from actual women. At least when Freud infamously asked this question he admitted he didn’t really know the answer.
Not so the men of the Red Pill subreddit today, who regularly deliver up massive walls of text purporting to explain how these mysterious women work. And they are pretty much always spectacularly wrong.
Consider, for example, the gentleman known as bsutansalt, a mod of the Red Pill subreddit, who recently graced his Red Pill brethren with a repost of one of his, er, classic posts, titled “Women Do Not Have a ‘Sex Drive.” In it he argues that, well, women don’t have a sex drive, but instead engage in sex only because it’s a way for them to acquire “desirable male attention.”
As he sees it,
Female sexuality is REACTIVE – it’s not the dull aching horniness that men experience. It is rapid-onset response to desirable male attention.
The price of male attention is sex. Sex is the glue that holds male attraction firmly in place.
Ipso facto women are willing to pay the sex price and a natural feedback loop is created; male attention makes her “sexual”, the sex engenders more attention from the male, the attention makes her FEEL “sexual”, and so on.
They fuck because they want to FEEL sexual. Not because they want sex.
Now I don’t need to tell you that there is, well, a great deal of evidence suggesting otherwise. Like, for example, if you’re a woman, for example, you may have noticed that you do in fact get horny on a fairly regular basis.
Not that bsutansalt really cares what goes on inside a woman’s head. “What do women THINK makes them feel sexual,” he asks himself at one point, offering up the answer
Who cares. Ask 10 of them once a day for a week and get 19182 different responses. Listen to their advice and get 0 sex.
In bsutansalt’s universe, men and women are from planets even more distinct than Venus and Mars. The goal of every woman, he assers,
is to maximally exploit her youth (in other words beauty) for maximal desirable male attention.
Men, by contrast,
want to fuck for fucking’s sake. Some trade resources and their dignity for this (gradually rarer) privilege – we call them beta males. Others learn to exploit the desire for their attention. Be the latter guy.
Hoo boy.
Even if bsutansalt has managed to convince himself that straight women never fuck for fucking’s sake, and are always in it for “sexy attention,” one wonders how he explains it when women’s sexual activity involves no male attention at all. I mean, to point out something that is obvious to everyone except for Red Pill men, women masturbate. Women use sex toys, including some really really weird ones. Women watch porn. Women read (and write) stories about the brothers on the show Supernatural boning each other. None of these things require “desirable male attention” in order to happen.
This may comes as a shock to some Red Pill men, but there are also some women who have sex with one another. Do lesbians somehow exude “desirable male attention” — or even just “desirable female attention” — that they can trade with one another in bed? Do women actually fuck each other, or do they just lie there “feeling sexual” in each other’s presence?
I’m afraid that bsutansalt’s galaxy brain might just explode if he were forced to consider these possibilities.
H/T — Thanks to r/TheBluePill for highlighting this epic OP
Send tips to dfutrelle at gmail dot com.
We Hunted the Mammoth relies entirely on readers like you for its survival. If you appreciate our work, please send a few bucks our way! Thanks!
(facepalm) Even someone who’s only learned about sex from porn would know that women can have sex drives.
shades of “the female orgasm is a myth, or I’d have seen one by now”
I need to know what role Brad Pitt plays in all of this. Is he really giving all women desirable male attention? Is that why, according to very reliable manospherian sources, all women adore him? Why he can do no wrong? Why even if he does, he’s so handsome that we’ll forgive him anything?
Oh wait — do we all love him because he appears to be looking from the movie screen straight at us? Wow, we’re gullible.
The MGTOWs would beg to differ (as would the incels).
One thing I always found contradictory is, if women have no sex drive then why do they all supposedly gravitate toward Chads? Well, alt right dipshits were never known for ideological consistency.
Once again, for the manosphere boys in the back: many women like sex, just not with you.
@Naglfar
Allow me to add that many women like to drink coffee, just not with a manospherian.
Many women like to take long walks, just not with a manospherian.
Oh hell, all women like to breathe, but the number of them who would like to breathe next to a manospherian? Vanishingly small.
Even if we were that lucky he’s probably mostly running off the brainstem anyway.
I’ll have to tell my husband and let him know
Hahaha sure.
TIL that if women aren’t turned on by the same things all the time, they don’t have a sex drive.
Men, by contrast, are always all the same in their sexual desires and preferences. /s
That is indeed a weird sex toy.
This isn’t a sentiment that’s exclusive to the red pill community. It’s a common belief, even if it’s not usually so plainly stated. The media/advertizing narrative about female sexuality is about looking sexy, catering to the male gaze.
This is one of those depressing times that I realize that manosphere ideology isn’t an aberration in our culture, it’s just an extreme end point of attitudes towards women.
Ugh. I need to go to bed.
I just got back from a local Mardi Gras celebration with a friend (not male) and late-night pizza after, then we ended up doing a quick makeout session at a bus stop when no one else was around. I don’t know what either of us were thinking (neither of us were drunk, and this was supposed to be a normal friend outing, not a romantic date), but I can guarantee that it was not about men.
She texted me saying “Thanks, I had a nice time” after we parted ways, nothing specific about… that. Now I have to figure out if I want it to mean something.
Of course the right wing is now melting down over the Weinstein verdict. Evidence? Ugh, OK, just don’t ask me where I got this icky smelly thing:
https://dailystormer.su/the-weinstein-verdict-effectively-makes-heterosexual-sex-illegal-in-america/
OK, it was some usenet newsgroup that’s become infested with right wing conspiracy theorists and, to judge by the above, literal neo-Nazis.
Anyone willing to hold their nose and write a takedown of this latest odious nonsense? It ends with Anglin explicitly asking for suggestions for a solution to “the woman problem”.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go shower. Even though it’s 2 AM.
Ah, if only. Look, I’m pretty ferociously sex positive, partly because I know how shame and ignorance can warp and hurt people, and partly because I like having sex. And I know that my past experiences made me who I am now, yadda yadda, the butterfly wings have flapped etc., and though I have regrets, I’m fairly glad to be who I am now.
BUT, oh, how much simpler my life would have been if I hadn’t had a sex drive! The time I would have saved, the energy I could have put to productive uses, the embarrassing moments and the inappropriate men I could have skipped! (Inappropriate, by the way, has nothing to do with race, religion, or ethnicity. It has to do with having nothing in common other than being bipedal carbon based life forms with a burning desire to get prone.)
So, yes, you manospherian goobers, women do have sex drives. It’s what keeps many of us puttering along when life gets grim.
I’m a woman and I don’t have a sex drive, but this nonsensical rambling doesn’t even apply to me. I don’t want to have sex because I’m asexual, and therefore I don’t have sex. I’ve got no interest in trading sex for attention or resources or whatever bullshit evopsych babble the manospherians are peddling now.
Being subjected to male sexual attention is one of the most uncomfortable, grossest things that I’ve been subjected to and it in no way makes me want to have sex with anything, especially not the source of that attention, and will indeed make me immediately attempt to escape the situation I find myself in.
Who need centuries of studies, experimentations and analysis in biology, psychology and sociology sciences when one grand man who knows it perfectly can tell it to everybody for free ? His great experience is sure totally real and absolutely not anecdotical, and thus confers him the right to speak for all.
All hail Dr. bsutansalt and his Universal Knowledge !
(Do i need to precise sarcasm ?)
A pair of fascinating articles about liberal and conservative mindsets.
https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/how-different-are-sean-hannity-and-samantha-bee-a-media-scholar-explains-how-right-wing-outrage-and-left-liberal-satire-have-reshaped-our-world/
https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/is-donald-trump-funny-a-media-expert-explains-the-presidents-humor-impairment/
I want to know what distinction they make between ‘wanting sex’ and ‘ wanting to feel sexual’.
Scratch that, I don’t want to know.
Somebody’s not very good at math, is he?
OK, that Ovipostor sex toy is just plain creepy. Due to the designs of H.R. Giger, the Alien movies always had sexual overtones, but this is just too fucking much.
@Epitome
Oddly, this seems to be a fairly common belief. I remember back when Cliff Pervocracy used to do Cosmocking, he repeatedly pointed out that Cosmo and similar magazines and the culture at large liked to present an idea that women are super complicated and men’s sexuality is very simple and the same for all men.
@Surplus
I have a solution that solves multiple problems at once: Andrew Anglin should move to the middle of a massive forest and never come out again. Then he doesn’t have to deal with women, and women don’t have to worry about him. Then everyone is happy.
70 different responses. The answer is 70. Why even specify “10 if them once a day for a week”? He could have left off the “once a day part” in order for his exaggeration to make sense. Not only is the math bad, but this is clearly sloppy thinking, which is not a surprise from a manospherian, who routinely express stupid ideas. It just bugs me so much.
Did you remember to explicitly ask for 1 sex? Some of these shopping cart applications can be quite tricky.
As always, it also needs to be said that this view is also spectacularly misandrist because it reduces men to walking dicks. As if no men have ever not wanted sex. Or used their desirability for money and power. (These people apparently think “Chad” never gets anything besides sex… except when they do think that to make up some excuses for something else). Or wanted intimacy with sex just as a part of it. Etc.
Yeah, for some strange reason, women never express sexual desires when you’re around. I do wonder why that is. ?
@Frederic
Well, red pillers sure are dicks, so for them the view isn’t that far off.