By David Futrelle
In case you’ve forgotten just how vile the discussions on the Incels.co forums can get, here’s a creepy rape manifesto I found there today, written by someone who, remarkably, considers himself kind and gentle.
![[Serious] It’s time for women to have sex with me
Inceldom Discussion
ShySaxon
Jan 16, 2020
Today at 9:58 AM
#1
Now im not a violent person. I’m a peaceful man with a toxic personality and I’m also a misogynist. But that doesn’t matter to women as studies and social experiments have shown. I don’t want to force women to do it but I may have to if they don’t, in Minecraft. I am a kind person really, I won’t hurt you. Please, give me sex. I need it to function as a man, hell, I need it to become a man in the first place. It’s like a trial near adulthood and you ascend to the rank of adult once you have sex. Give it to me. I demand it. You WILL have sex with me, one way or the other.](https://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-02-23_15-32-25.png?fit=425%2C1024)
Naturally, this being Incelsco, most of the regulars replying to this miniature manifesto thought it made a lot of sense. Oh, sure, there were a few suggesting that posting things like this means bad PR for incels if someone like me (or the incel-mockers on the Incel Tears subreddit) were to discover it. And another reminds the OP that simply saying “in Minecraft” after threatening violence against women isn’t going to convince anyone he was really talking about a video game and not something he wants to do in the real world.
But most responses were positive. “It’s only logical,” wrote one commenter. “Go for it bro,” added another.
“I desperately want a pussy,” wrote a third..
Denying us sex is like denying someone his birthright. FUCK WHAT BLUEPILLERS SAY. I am a human and I should be entitled to sex.
Still another commenter thought his sex life should be the government’s business.
It should be a law for women to lose their virginities to incels before they go on to whore with chads
None of these commenters are drive-by trolls. Each one of them has posted more than a thousand comments on Incels.co; the guy saying “go for it” has posted more than 9000 (literally). This is how ideas like these get normalized in Incel spaces; this is how violent fantasies can turn into plans for action.
Incel forums aren’t “safe spaces” where unfortunate souls can harmlessly vent their frustrations. They’re hate magnifiers, empowering the worst impulses of everyone that posts to them. They need to be shut down.
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Bloomberg wants to raise taxes specifically on the poor (not the rich at all), he hates POC, his treatment of women is garbage. His interaction with Occupy Wall Street was horrible. I’ve hated this man since I knew about him as NYC mayor, I was glad when DeBlasio beat him (not that De Blasio is perfect, but he’s not Bloomberg or Giuliani, and that made me happy).
Biden… just no, no more centrist bullshit, it gets us nowhere and is completely unhelpful for our time.
Warren or Sanders, please. These two are the ones I feel would stand up for themselves and us and not bow down immediately.
I think Bloomberg’s ultimate goal is a trump dictatorship and a quasi return to European feudalism (with our nice new technology and all to go along with it).
On other news, or at least observations, after reading a bunch of article about the coronavirus in Italy, half the people in the illustrating photos are asians. At least one have four asians wearing masks.
My best guess is that it’s a mix of racism and of the fact asians use face mask much more often than other italians, but it’s quite jarring, and it felt like the article insidiously instilled the idea that it’s an asian disease.
Good news about the Weinstein conviction, even if it was just for a fraction of his crimes.
In other news, I was following the Wet’suwet’en protests in Canada – briefly, a Native group’s hereditary chiefs and their supporters are protesting a pipeline being built through their territory by blocking railways in British Columbia. Other provinces have set up similar protests in their support. Yesterday the Ontario Provincial Police arrested several people in Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory: https://globalnews.ca/news/6587536/tyendinaga-blockade-police-wetsuweten/
It’s hard not to see the police enforcement as a reminder and a continuation of colonial violence. Yes, the Wet’suwet’en also have some council chiefs who support the pipeline, but conservatives are being disingenuous and claiming that the second group is the only “democratic” one and if their political system wasn’t so fractured it would be easier to deal with them.
Okay, it was Canada who took their land, displaced or killed a lot of their people, and now we’re complaining that their political systems are fractured. Gee, wonder why that could be??
I understand people are having a hard time because of rail lines being blocked. But the arrests are making the situation worse. And people won’t just sit there and take it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/indigenous-protest-go-trains-1.5474884
@Ohlmann
I’d guess it’s a deliberate attempt to reinforce stereotypes and increase fear-mongering about the coronavirus.
Don’t worry! Trump assured us the coronavirus will go away when it gets warm, and the US stock market looks great. We don’t need the CDC. No need for a clear chain of command for a pandemic response. The stable genius has it all under control.
I was thinking about how if there’s a serious pandemic, it’ll probably hit the US worse then other countries in part because businesses in effected areas will out of greed stay open and force employees to work. Or they’ll voluntarily come in because they can’t afford not to.
There’s no protection at all for missed wages or testing costs for pandemics.
Re the station wagon attack in Germany
I’m reading that the attacker was a 29-year-old German man and police believe it was deliberate but they don’t know the motives because he’s unconscious with head injuries. “Witnesses have said alcohol was involved in the incident, though police have not yet confirmed such reports.”
So he might be a Nazi, although the German’s don’t seem as reticent as the US to lable Nazi terrorists as terrorists. He might also be an incel. On the other hand, police are “investigating an attempted homicide”. So it might be something along the lines of aiming the van at his ex girlfriend or ex-boss.
No mention of a history of domestic violence, but it wouldn’t half fit.
@WWTH Also Trump largely shut down the department responsible for dealing with epidemics, because of course he did.
@WWTH
Plus, many people won’t be able to afford treatment. Or will refuse treatment or potential vaccines (i.e. anti-vaxxers). Since there is no national healthcare program, we won’t be able to manage it nearly as well as other countries.
OT: Breaking news. Peruvian Supreme Court (Constitutional Tribunal) declared bull-fighting and cock fights inconstitutional. Finally moving away from that barbarism.
Re: Coronavirus
I’ve heard that it’s a form of Pneumonia. Not sure about that, about to get confirmation from a friend who’s a doctor. If that’s the case, it might be advisable to get a nebulizer, because in case of a pandemia, they’ll run out.
Re: Coronavirus:
There was an interesting article in The Atlantic recently about ‘Authoritarian Blindness’ and the idea that the Coronavirus epidemic wasn’t nipped in the bud mostly because mid-level bureaucrats didn’t want to look bad by allowing doctor’s reports about the problems to be escalated up the chain of command.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/
It references the famines in China under Mao (and of course there were similar issues in the USSR under Stalin) where nobody wanted to look bad by missing goals and so lies propagated up the chain of command and the leadership was completely blindsided by reality.
Xi Jinping was part of the Central Committee when SARS happened. He already knew from personal experience that covering up something like this just makes it worse. And the rather abrupt turnaround from covering everything up to fairly active openness about it suggests that it was covered up from within until it bubbled up to a level high enough for someone in power to tell the mid-level people ‘what the hell were you thinking?!’
As the article notes, this is one of the major flaws of any authoritarian state throughout history, even the supposedly benevolent ones: the ability for the person up top to actually control things is limited by the information that gets passed up, and everybody in that particular game of telephone may have their own reasons for deliberately acting as a filter on what passes through.
@Jenora: Tchernobyl, the serie, show that phenomen very clearly.
@Jenora Feuer
I am highly suspicious of any authoritarian state which claims to be benevolent, seeing as most authoritarian states have become very unpleasant places to live.
The idea of authoritarian blindness applies in the US as well. None of the Republicans want to reality check Trump or give him feedback, so he has had unlimited freedom to make idiotic choices that cause all kinds of damage.
@Naglfar : the “benevolence” of an authoritarian state is a very relative concept, but still useful to show that not all regimes are the same. Relatively speaking, the Roman Empire and the Napoleon Empire were chiller than the third Reich or the Belgian Congo. That don’t mean I would love to live in the first two (see: treatment of spanish by both), but it’s less worse.
That being said, it’s not the same authoritarian blindness in the USA. In a lot of way, the US isn’t gonna become an authoritarian state similar to China ; rather, it’s a group of small fiefdom that can do whatever they want. Trump have childish impulses that he want fulfilled, but after thoses locals barons are free to do whatever they want.
@Jenora : the “openness” of the Chinese about the crisis is very relative. While the brutal firing of the local authorities was a proof they had hidden stuff to the central commitee, even what the current government show isn’t exactly adding up, and the two change of counting method isn’t helping their case either.
That being said, it’s mostly because Jinping want to release enough informations to limit the epidemic, but nothing more, to keep face at best. That’s also something shown in the Tchernobyl miniseries, where even after the government was forced to come clean that a reactor exploded, they did not release the real figures, and got faulty equipment because of that.
The other problem I see with the current reaction isn’t limited to China : a lot of money and goodwill is expended on measures that seem at best dubious. Like thoses vans that spray disinfectants in the street. Apart from increasing the odds of creating disinfectant-resistant germs, what will that do exactly ?
@Naglfar, Ohlmann:
There is a reason I applied the modifier ‘supposedly’ to the term ‘benevolent’. Benevolent dictatorships may be possible to have, but they’re pretty much impossible to maintain.
And yes, I fully expect that China is walking the fine line of trying to give out enough information to hopefully solve the problem without giving out enough to make themselves look bad, a line which I suspect is actually a gap things are already falling into. It’s pretty public that this has been badly stressing the already-strained relationship with Hong Kong even further, and every other country in China’s sphere of influence is wondering just how many of the problems they’ve been having could have been avoided.
People keep ignoring the lesson that the cover-up of the incident almost always ends up hurting more than the incident itself would have.
@Jenora, @Ohlmann:
I’ve heard the phenomenon summed up as “the trains don’t *actually* run on time; they just arrest anybody who complains that they’re late.”
An article I saw a few years back put it another way by claiming that Mordor is a more realistic dystopia than Airstrip One: in the latter, the Thought Police really are ruthlessly efficient, while in the former, Frodo and Sam are able to sneak by guards in large part because all the backstabbing and paranoia in the chain of command has resulted in the Orcs on the ground not getting important intel like “be on the lookout for hobbits, and incidentally here’s what a hobbit looks like.”
I am weirdly upset that the scumbag has used the Sutton Hoo helmet as his picture.
@ nanny oggs bosom
It’s ironic he fetishises Anglo-Saxon culture.
Whilst the status of women at the time was far from egalitarian; women were considered “oath-worthy” i.e. had full legal personhood. They could own property, enter contracts, and initiate divorce proceedings.
And there’s this law:
So he might want to find another time period to get nostalgic about.
@Moon Custafer
Here and now, it’s more like “the trains don’t actually run on time, but anyone who says otherwise gets called fake news and might get swarmed by bots and trolls.”
@Alan Robertshaw
Bigots usually aren’t fans of history, it rarely coincides with the alternate reality they have constructed. Instead they love to promote distorted versions that better align with what they want to think, i.e. revisionism.
@Moon Custafer : I agree with Brazil being more realistic than 1984.
While the Chinese governement is reasonably competent (compare it to Trump’s administration), it still don’t seem particulary efficient, and from a distance every time they try to focus on one things regional interests get in the way of efficiency.
That being said, we will see how Europa will fare rather soon. The fact Italy took the same kind of lockdown as China isn’t particulary encouraging to me.
Also, I do feel for the Iranians. It’s extremely obvious that the situation is much worse than what they say, due to either incompetency or obfuscation, and together with their poverty it might be one of the most impacted country in the end.
Oh, hey, academics finally discovered the SNAFU principle! (So called because it explains why Situation Normal is All Fucked Up). The more actively malevolent version manifests in literal witch hunts as well as the more metaphorical sort(HUAC, frex.): the authorities know there’s witches/commies/spies/tratitors/whoever hiding under every bed, so if some low ranker isn’t finding enough of them, maybe it’s because they’re one. And then things get ugly for the agent on the ground, who is thus strongly encouraged to “find” enough of them to keep the higher ups happy. The higher ups thus confirm their knowledge that enemies are hiding under every bed and ratchet up the persecution and…
@ dali
What’s that short story where every conspirator turns out to be an undercover agent?
The Man Who Was Thursday IIRC
That’s the one. I knew you’d know it.
What I’m most worried about for Trump’s next step is that he’ll start using his control of the Justice Department to attack rather than just defend. I’m expecting ginned-up criminal investigations into Democratic candidates as well as anyone who criticises him on TV. We might even see a Russian-style election, where the opposition candidate is in jail.
@Amtep
He’s already threatened that multiple times, it’s only a matter of time until he tries to actually pull it off. I imagine it will be like McCarthyism, only worse because it will have more support and more vigilantes will get involved.
I think that was his goal in 2016, seeing as one of his most popular rally chants was “lock her up!”
I’m personally more worried about him calling for the assassination of his opponent. He has enough fanatical fans with guns who could shoot Warren or Sanders if they appeared like they were going to win, and we know that Trump has a penchant for stochastic terrorism.