By David Futrelle
In case you’ve forgotten just how vile the discussions on the Incels.co forums can get, here’s a creepy rape manifesto I found there today, written by someone who, remarkably, considers himself kind and gentle.
![[Serious] It’s time for women to have sex with me
Inceldom Discussion
ShySaxon
Jan 16, 2020
Today at 9:58 AM
#1
Now im not a violent person. I’m a peaceful man with a toxic personality and I’m also a misogynist. But that doesn’t matter to women as studies and social experiments have shown. I don’t want to force women to do it but I may have to if they don’t, in Minecraft. I am a kind person really, I won’t hurt you. Please, give me sex. I need it to function as a man, hell, I need it to become a man in the first place. It’s like a trial near adulthood and you ascend to the rank of adult once you have sex. Give it to me. I demand it. You WILL have sex with me, one way or the other.](https://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-02-23_15-32-25.png?fit=425%2C1024)
Naturally, this being Incelsco, most of the regulars replying to this miniature manifesto thought it made a lot of sense. Oh, sure, there were a few suggesting that posting things like this means bad PR for incels if someone like me (or the incel-mockers on the Incel Tears subreddit) were to discover it. And another reminds the OP that simply saying “in Minecraft” after threatening violence against women isn’t going to convince anyone he was really talking about a video game and not something he wants to do in the real world.
But most responses were positive. “It’s only logical,” wrote one commenter. “Go for it bro,” added another.
“I desperately want a pussy,” wrote a third..
Denying us sex is like denying someone his birthright. FUCK WHAT BLUEPILLERS SAY. I am a human and I should be entitled to sex.
Still another commenter thought his sex life should be the government’s business.
It should be a law for women to lose their virginities to incels before they go on to whore with chads
None of these commenters are drive-by trolls. Each one of them has posted more than a thousand comments on Incels.co; the guy saying “go for it” has posted more than 9000 (literally). This is how ideas like these get normalized in Incel spaces; this is how violent fantasies can turn into plans for action.
Incel forums aren’t “safe spaces” where unfortunate souls can harmlessly vent their frustrations. They’re hate magnifiers, empowering the worst impulses of everyone that posts to them. They need to be shut down.
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What boggles my mind is that paid sex doesn’t count, but somehow government-forced sex does?
I know quite a few men in my online circle who are virgins or who have never had romantic relationships. Some are asexual. Mr. Dakry was himself a virgin until his late thirties, with me.
And all of them are responsible adults. None of them feel entitled to a woman’s attention or body. And all of them are far more men than this whiny wannabe rapist will ever be. A penis in a vagina does not maturity make. He can go kiss a weedwhacker.
@jaygee
It seems that the forcing women is the entire point of the exercise for them.
I think early exposure to porn contributes a lot in making of an incel. It kind of sets their views on women, sexuality and relationships.
@rv97
I’m luckier, I prefer to play single player mode and love playing by myself alone,though I don’t object to other people in the room. I once got nice and drunk, pleasant drink just shy of being actually sick, and spent an hour or two playing the open environments in the second Sly Cooper game on PS1, and it was absolutely hilarious fun, just wandering about picking guards pockets and laughing my ass off if I fucked up and got chased. My brother tried it another time, when he was drunk,and agreed that it was weirdly awesome.
Years ago, me and my brother and his buddy used to talk late into the night while playing Ratchet and Clank on PS1, passing the controller back and forth like a joint after completing a level.or objective. That was my idea of social gaming.
Though my brother and I have been considering playing together on a few games so we can maybe grab some achievements like in the Ghostbusters game, or try to beat Portal 2 co-op. The few times I play with others online, its usually like that, with someone I personally know on invite only.
The only time it was strangers was this last week,when I was trying to get my brother and me on a level.if Castlevania HoD and fucked up the invite screen and found myself playing with two folks,one from Italy and one from.Japan,who moved impossibly fast (literally,i think they must have modded their shit up, the characters don’t move that fast on their own, and the character I was playing with I’d played for a long time and had built up pretty good, and he still can’t move so fast he can beat stage 1 in under a minute) and I couldn’t keep up. Which is another reason I don’t bother, I’m just playing for fun to unwind no matter what the game and like to choose players I personally know are about the same, who just want to have some fun while shooting the breeze. I don’t have the interest or energy for this hardcore shit where I’m playing with people who take it so damn seriously they’ve modded the game up in ways I couldn’t possibly figure out to damn near bypass the actual.gameplay and fast forward to the prizes. And look down on you if you don’t.
You shouldn’t be entitled to sex. You’re not entitled to sex.
End of story.
@Bananananana dakry:
I think it ties back into sex being seen as something you “get” instead of something you “do”. If you view women as being in possession of all of the sex and think their duty to give it to you, taking “the sexes” by force (raping) or having a government force them to give you “the sexes” would be vastly superior to paying for it. After all, that would make it seem like an equitable trade. If a woman can trade “the sexes” for money, that implies she is within her – gasp! – rights to withhold them as she pleases, and if that were the case, then where would we be?
Oh, the real world, you say? Sounds nasty. /s
@Ohlmann
Honestly, most incels are terrorist attacks waiting to happen. If the FBI was smarter it would spend more time investigating incel groups and trying to shut down incel forums. I’m sure they’d find new homes, but it might dissuade a few or make it harder to plan attacks.
@jaygee
I think this is because they don’t really want sex, they want to oppress women. Government sponsored rape is a sure fire way to do that.
What will these guys do when they do manage to have sex and then it turns out it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference for how miserable they are?
I suspect the answer will somehow involve blaming women.
“I desperately want a pussy,”
I don’t think that came out the way he intended it to.
@Lukas Xavier
Have a one night stand, then obsessively stalk the woman they had the one night stand with.
Also, even if this dude “only” encourages rapists and not mass murderers, that’s still fucking horrific and contributing to harm.
Decide that sex doesn’t count, because the woman wasn’t hot enough, wasn’t submissive enough, didn’t become his permanent live-in mommy/sex dispenser, etc etc etc.
Yeah… someone who believes sex will “complete” them will instead become a sexual predator for whom “the next time” will always be the one that will work.
Nevermind the idea (the very well supported idea) that sex will NEVER “complete” them…
Nor will any of the OTHER behaviors they try
Just for the clarification of those puzzling over the “Minecraft” reference, it’s a meme related with how to get around erstwhile violent threats on Twitch.
You know the kind: “KYS… in Minecraft. Throw yourself off a bridge… in Minecraft.”
I only know it because I’ve seen a couple of the dirtbag left guys do it with respect to neo-Nazis on their YouTube streams. I don’t use Twitch or play Minecraft.
Frankly, it comes off as very juvenile and unimaginative. As most incels do.
But really, it’s the same textbook toxic masculinity that plenty of guys are bombarded with, myself included. I remember being that awkward teenager, every single teen comedy of the late 90s being about how big a “rite of passage” sex was and that you weren’t “a man” unless you’ve awkwardly rubbed against someone else for five minutes (if that).
What’s odd is that even those teen comedies had a tongue-firmly-in-cheek kinda charm about them. A kind of “Yeah, these clueless teenagers have built up sex as this big thing, but they’re still the same awkward geeks when it’s over.” The teen dramas that arose in early 2000s played it entirely straight to a very strange extent. It was enough to have me missing the melodrama of the original Degrassi.
@Katamount
That makes more sense regarding Minecraft.
I find it frequently “amusing” how these people, whose political allegiance is nearly always a flavor of “Libertarian”, demand government mandated sex. It’s as if anything they dislike is “rape” or “slavery” except actual rape or slavery.
@Jarnsaxa
Amusingly enough, my older brother was one of those people who felt “entitled to soccer” and would beat me up any time I didn’t want to go to the backyard to play with him (don’t worry though, I eventually got stronger and paid him back in kind).
@Naglfar
That fucking sucks… I had to google Notch, but I had no idea the developper had become a Nazi of sorts. I really like the game, but nowadays I sadly feel like it would be a waste of my time when I could be doing something more productive, like drawing and whatnot.
I still feel like I could go back to it though because, whilst the creator is a horrible fucking person, the game in and by itself is pleasant and devoid of his bullshit. Though if I do, I’m downloading the pirated version because fuck the whole idea of supporting that assclown.
@Diego Duarte
If it makes you feel any better I don’t think he’s making money off of it anymore since he left Mojang. I like the game too but I haven’t played it much due to a combination of Notch’s politics and not having time.
Usually people who identify as libertarians want no rules for themselves and want everyone to comply with them. It’s a very self-centered view. There was a viral tweet going around a few days ago about someone who was a libertarian, then tried MDMA and realized other people have feelings and changed his views. I’d believe that given what I know about libertarianism and psychedelics.
In addition, the majority of libertarians I know are white nationalists, which fits with the rest of their views.
I’d say that I don’t understand why incels feel entitled to another person’s attention, but since most of them don’t seem to recognize women as autonomous people….
But seriously, incels, WHY DO YOU THINK THIS SHOULD BE A THING? When Mr. Parasol was a boy, he’d pester his younger sister with “Will you PLEASE play Monopoly with me???” Eventually she got tired of him winning all the games and said no. He respected that “no” (if “respect” includes some childish pouting) because he knew that his sister did not have to do what he wanted.
(FYI: Don’t play Monopoly with my husband unless you’re a serious player. The man is a FIEND at that game. The computer versions give him a decent challenge.)
@Victorious Parasol
For me it’s Scrabble. None of my family has been willing to play Scrabble with me since I was about 12 because I won every game.
@Naglfar
Yeah I saw that. I’ve been commenting for several years on an anti-libertarian group on Facebook, and we have noticed the same trends over and over.
1- They claim you don’t know libertarianism, but when you show them what their ideologues have written (Friedman, Hayek, Nozick, Coase, Rothbard) they will say “that’s not libertarianism!” or “you don’t know the party platform!”
2- When you highlight the specifics of their party platform they will bleat “why do you hate freedom!” or blame the government, for whatever problem is being discussed.
3- When the Civil Rights Act comes into question, they will falsely accuse you of being a racist with bullshit bait such as “why do you think POC cannot compete in the free market without help from the government?”
4- When you bring up discrimination as an obstacle to women and POC, preventing them from achieving results, they will deflect to “we want equal opportunities, you want equal results”, as if the two were not directly related to one another.
5- When you rebuke their points or post a comment they cannot circumvent, they will not engage you in the same thread. But if the point comes up in another thread, they will maliciously try to repeat the same bullshit, in an attempt to propagandize their shitty views. Because let us be clear: they know they are full of shit, they just lie as a means to preserve their power and status.
The more you learn about the ideology, the more you realize they’re nothing more than proto-fascists and actually closer in nature to fascists than conservatives themselves.
@Naglfar
Back when I was a kid, it was Othello. I was gleefully proud of beating grown-ups at that game. I’m out of practice now, but I remember how obnoxious I could be when I won.
Trivia games were my jam as a teenager. I still remember a Trivial Pursuit game where my mom and I were on the same team and she burst out with the answer “Dermis!” when the CORRECT answer (as I knew) was “epidermis.” I was quite cross at her over that.
Later on I gravitated to more collaborative leisure activities so that I could have fun with other people without making them feel bad. Fluxx is about the only card game I still enjoy because it’s a challenge every time and I can be cool about it if I lose.
@Diego Duarte
Plus, they clearly don’t actually want equal opportunities. If they did, they wouldn’t support privatizing everything and making so many things exclusive to the wealthy.
I’m currently arguing with a TERF in the wrestling thread and they are doing a lot of this as well (especially dodging repeated questions). I think it’s a common thing among bigots.
@Victorious Parasol
I love trivia games. When I was in high school we had regional tournaments for school trivia teams, which I tended to do quite well in.
@Diego Duarte:
There’s a meme I’ve seen on Tumblr that grimly answers any question of “who invented Minecraft” with “It Fell Mysteriously from Space.” Mind you, since Notch is no longer profiting from Minecraft afaik, this may be a case where it really is possible to separate the art from the creator.
Re: Monopoly
The toilets at Marylebone Station are monopoly themed. Google “marylebone station toilets monopoly” for cool pics.
@Alan
I’m gonna have to pass this on to Mr. Parasol. Thanks!
The “in Minecraft” thing is just so they can protest mods who lock or delete their threads. “I was only talking about a video game, bruh!”
It’s as transparent as everything else they do and say.