By David Futrelle
Yep, some NoFap dude did a NoFap version of Johnny Cash’s famous cover of Nine Inch Nails’ “Hurt,” with the lyrics changed to make a point about the evils of “cooming” while jerking off to porn. Just listen to this mess, if you can:
Every day we stray further from God’s light.
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Did I really just read an exchange that essentially went, “How do you justify saying women weren’t oppressed in the US until Obama was elected? Here is an example of a form of institutionalized oppression experienced by women throughout much of US history.” “Wow, so I guess you don’t think the Holocaust was bad!”
Like, I spent time and energy from my life reading that. That really happened.
@Mrs Morley
I’d agree that Ashkenazi Jews (like myself) are not PoC, but there are Jews who would be considered PoC like the Beta Israel or some converts.
@Viscaria
I was in a meeting while much of this was going on and I am only now looking at the responses and having a similar reaction. Oy vey.
I get the feeling dude just really wants to be some form of brown so he can claim he’s much more oppressed then any white woman ever so that if we (for some reason he thinks we’re all white women) try to punch mammoth size holes in his semen thing we’re wrong because of racism i guess? But the dude is clearly not a person of color so he goes to the next best thing he can think of which is Jewish people?
Was a new comment released? I took a look, and couldn’t see it. If it was, welcome new commenter! Sorry I can’t be more specific.
(It’s also possible someone is posting through an email link. Please don’t do that, it messes up the pages.)
@Naglfar you misunderstood me.
Of course there are Jews who are people of color. I was saying that being a Jew doesn’t preclude being white.
@Lainy
Eh, there are nonwhite folks who pass for white, and the whiteness of Jewish folks is a point of contention with a lot of white supremacists and other dickheads. SRLO is from a different country and the definition of whiteness may be different there.
I don’t think that it’s a useful exercise to try to debate whether someone’s identity is what they say it is. POC folks can be just as wrong as white folks, and the content of SRLO’s posts would be objectionable no matter what his identity is.
@SRLO
The commentariat doesn’t think less of people who don’t have sex/romance. As I stated before, I’m asexual. I don’t pursue romantic or sexual relationships (though there are ace people who do), and I have only very rarely been made to feel lesser for it here.
(There have been a few cases of folks sneering at the misogynists by referring to them as “basement dwelling virgins” or something similar, but these instances are usually quickly corrected by the community. One’s sexual activity doesn’t make someone an ass, that’s their words and their actions.)
@Mrs Morley
Of course, I was just adding a clarifier. Sorry if I misunderstood your original post.
@Catalpa
Oh I don’t doubt that he’s Jewish, what I mean is I get serious “I’m gay so I can’t be racist” type of vibes form him.
This thread really took a turn, huh?
It’s interesting how the SRLO went from claiming that the semen retention ideology is not misogynistic to spouting MRA talking points about how western women were never oppressed based on gender.
@all
my reply not loading ..i will try again after 10 mins before i go to sleep
@wwth
The mask always slips with these people.
@ weirwood
of course western black women were even more brutalized and oppressed than western black men…oh-so-prim-and-proper western white women would not even let western black women to go to toilet
@WWTH
It is interesting that that kind of argument is a mirror image of the TERF/white feminist argument that women are oppressed but that black people aren’t or that intersectional oppression isn’t real. Both arguments are anti-intersectionality but in opposite ways.
@SRLO
It wasn’t the women who created the system of racial oppression. Did many white women participate to some degree? Yes. But men created the system of segregation.
@Naglfar
That’s the same argument junior Schutzstaffel officers used post 1945. Fact is white women were the watchdogs for the enforcement of brutal genocidal oppression..
*comes in to tell us about how non-misogynistic SR (later changed to SER, so it’s nice that it’s now more inclusive) is*
*four pages later, yelling about how white women are the absolute worst, actually, and are at the root of all the world’s problems.*
With a large side helping of Godwin’s law.
Gentle reminder to SRLO – Naglfar is also Jewish, maybe watch what I assume is a nazi comparison?
(I’m on a work computer, don’t want to google.)
@Rhuu
All the more reason for her not to forget that it was white schoolgirls who would have gone home to their parents and complained that somebody like Naglfar’s greatgrandma’s hair is “suspiciously curly” ..that her greatgrandma has a “suspiciously long surname”
do we REALLY need to go through those Painful Histories?
Funny how SRLO keeps ranting about white women constantly, like the women were the only ones who participated in the persecution of POC. None of the white schoolboys would have complained to their parents about someone being suspiciously curly haired, certainly not! Only those deceitful white women.
@Catalpa
forget normal white schoolboys and schoolgirls..even white celibate priests engaged in such antics even though their God was born of such a “curly” haired woman..That’s what most excruciatingly painful and heartbreaking
@SRLO
I’d really prefer that you not drag my family into this. Most of my family had the good fortune to be in America during that time and escaped persecution, but regardless I don’t see it as necessary to drag up the history. And FYI my great grandmother’s maiden name was 4 letters.
But to respond directly:
There definitely were girls and women who assisted the Nazis, and those women were definitely in the wrong. However, I want to be clear that it was not women who created the Nazi party. Hitler was not a woman. Eichmann was not a woman. Nor were Goebbels, Göring, Mengele, or any of the other Nazi officials. There were definitely women who were Nazis (like Leni Reifenstahl or Ilse Koch) but that does not mean women created the situation.
The Nazi party was violently misogynistic, one of Hitler’s favorite maxims was “Kinder, Küche, Kirche”, describing how he thought women belonged raising children, cooking, and being religious. Hence the lack of high-ranking women in the party. So, you cannot blame the Holocaust on women exclusively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl
@Naglfar
point noted and even I hated to bring it up..I repeatedly asked Rhuu what’s the point in dredging up old history? This conversation has gone way beyond its original scope and would only work to open up old wounds and not unite people..ket’s just end everything here..good night
@SRLO
You… you brought it up?? What is happening right now?
Is there any chance that you might be able to defend your assertion that no woman was discriminated against in the US (at least on the basis of being a woman) until Obama came into power? Preferably without bringing up Nazi Germany, unless you can actually manage to connect the two somehow?
You keep bringing it up! You brought it up in the first place, and you keep trying to tie everything to white women and the holocaust!
You can blame me all you want. In fact, this all took a turn after i pointed out that you only represent yourself, not the greater SR community.
I think that upset you, and you have to make me a bad person, so you can disregard everything i say.
What does that tell you, about your beliefs, and how you respond to conflict?
Also, you never provided a quote of someone calling you a noble savage. Or explained how Obama created all oppressions for women. Or only white women?
You can want to end the discussion, and that’s fine. You can stop replying. But we will keep posting for as long as interest holds out, trying to figure out what the heck happened here.
@SRLO
Fair enough.
SRLO,
Just because white women participate in racism, does not mean that men don’t oppress women.
This is not that complicated.