By David Futrelle
Yep, some NoFap dude did a NoFap version of Johnny Cash’s famous cover of Nine Inch Nails’ “Hurt,” with the lyrics changed to make a point about the evils of “cooming” while jerking off to porn. Just listen to this mess, if you can:
Every day we stray further from God’s light.
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@SRLO
Drowsiness after ejaculation is because of hormones, not loss of energy. It usually resolves relatively within a few minutes to hours at most. Postorgasmic Illness Syndrome is worse, but is rather rare.
@SRLO : so, basically stuff that most people don’t have after the act, right ?
Even outside that inconvenient problem of not actually happening, and the even more inconvenient problem that it’s a bunch of vague symptoms that pretty much everybody and nobody have (“oh, I don’t feel too good, but in an unspecified way that prevent any actual action !” ; astrologer use the same trick), the thing is that it is *still* a bunch of bullshit words that mean nothing. It don’t even define how that it’s different from feeling exhausted and gloomy after running a marathon or taking a nap.
What you say is an insult to basic intelligence. It’s not even high level bullshit that require careful examination to see that it’s a bunch of bullshit. Anyone who even try to make sense of that immediatly understand that it’s a bunch of bullshit. I don’t think that the various semen retainers are dumb enough to not see that ; it’s more that they desesperatly crave to be special and unique snowflakes, and willingly ignore the fact it don’t make an inkling of sense for the sake of their ego.
At least, catholics and buddhists have the small advantage that they can hide part of their affirmations behind things that we can’t check or probe. Nothing like that for SR ; the king is nude for them. They can’t show any link between their practices and anything and they can’t explain why there would be a link.
In other word, I give the idea of semen retention all the respect it deserve : none. For the record, it’s still above trumpism, trickle down economics and nazism who deserve negative respect, but still.
@Naglfar
Yes POIS and also PCT ..Post-Coital Tristesse or something…
Full Disclousre:
One must also remember that a lot of the celibate ones among semen retainers are severely autistic (including me)..They have had a rough time coming in terms with their body since achieving puberty and since being flooded with ungodly amounts of testosterone ….celibate semen retention is a way for them to work things out as many of them are still stuck at age 12 in terms of their emotional life and emotional maturity
This might not be the case among those SR practitioners who still crave for female adoration..but the SR practitioners who choose full celibacy tend to be autistic more often than not …This has been borne out by private conversations across various NoFap,Buddhist and SR Forums
cheers,
@Ohlmann
I think we have reached an impasse here, so I may propose a novel solution…..the principles behind SR are equally applicable for both men and women…how about you or anybody else here go 100 days without sex,self-pleasure,touching onseself,porn,edging,romantic literature,romantic movies,fantasization..
if after 4 months you still feel this was complete hogwash, well 4 months is not that big in the grand scheme of things…but if after 4 months you feel this was a worthwhile practice, then you might be standing at the precipice of something entirely transformational
cheers,
@Naglfar:
For whatever it might have been worth, Pythagoras was in the right epidemiological profile–males of Mediterranean (and other malaria-prone regions) descent–to have been at risk for favism, a genetic disorder that includes anemia and hypersensitivity to fava beans–or even to the meat of animals fed on fava beans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose-6-phosphate_dehydrogenase_deficiency
(Dr. Gary Paul Nabhan discusses favism, as well as a myriad of other interactions among, climate, genetics, and food culture, in Why Some Like It Hot: Food, Genes, and Cultural Diversity–without, as far as I can tell, promoting either health woo or any racial-supremacist agenda.)
I’ll probably regret this, but, Mr Semen Retention Liaison, please tell me what you think of those trans women who undertake hormone replacement therapy. Is their (indeed our) semen worth retaining? Whether you answer yes or no, justify it.
@Mabret the Virile Maiden
If they feel that visceral irrepressible sexual tension after a few days of clean celibacy, then yes their SR would bring the exact same benefits as other type of men
Hope that clear things up
cheers,
The fava bean thing reminds me of how some people with a certain gene perceive cilantro as tasting like soap.
@Mabret the Virile Maiden
My justification would be that their sexual energy has made the connection to their brain and in turn with their Consciousness and in turn with the Absolute Pure Universal Consciousness (from which all spiritual energies and powers and results emanate)
@SRLO
But now you’re comparing women to trees. They’re just an object to be sidestepped, to not engage with. You’re still reducing women to sexual beings. It’s just that you’ve turned them into a pink elephant and made a game out of not thinking about it.
And when you’re deliberately avoiding women, you’re also avoiding their intelligence, their wit, and their humanity. Consciously willing your thoughts away from women means you don’t have to engage with them as equals in the workplace, in academia, or at home. It’s the perfect cover story for sexism.
You can claim SR is not based in hatred all you want, but misogyny doesn’t have to involve active hatred. Rejecting women’s sexuality and treating women as speed bumps getting in the way of male enlightenment still qualifies.
If periods sap your energy, then pregnant women (and women on hormonal birth control) should be colossal behemoths of mathematics and invention.
When I was pregnant, I spent nine months throwing up and didn’t get a single patent.
@Naglfar
Well, that wasn’t a sentence I was expecting to read today.
TMI imminent
I’ve gone for stretches, both abstaining from masturbation and masturbating once daily, or even twice daily. I can tell you that I neither felt particularly sluggish due to extensive wanking, nor particularly energetic due to abstention. The closest thing to that I’ve felt during my periods of abstention is an all-consuming, merciless desire to fuck something, anything.
Masturbation is good for you. I do believe the benefits no-fappers feel are entirely due to a placebo effect, if their reports thereof aren’t entirely fictional.
@Talonknife
To me cilantro tastes like soap. I probably have that gene, seeing as everyone else in my family feels the same way. What does it taste like to people without that gene?
@SRLO
Does that mean a sort of god or deity?
Also, should men who have had vasectomies or are otherwise sterile but still produce semen retain it?
@Mabret
TMI: I don’t really masturbate much, though I’ve been doing more lately. The only thing that really seems different when I masturbate is that if I do it before bed, I feel more tired and tend to fall asleep more easily. I consider this a good thing, as otherwise I often have a hard time sleeping.
@Victorious Parasol:
“woman centric blog”
see also: TERFs
(similar linguistic red flags include the term “women-born-women,” and spelling “women” as “womyn” or “womxn.” There’s nothing inherently transphobic about not spelling it with an E (as far as I know), it’s just a weird 2nd-wave thing that got picked up by a lot of Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist blogs I’ve seen.)
@Buttercup Q. Skullpants
I think we miscommunicated here, and may be it’s entirely due to my fault..So let me give it another try. I am not saying I would sidestep a woman if I am engaging with her or have to engage with her in a non-romantic, non-sexual context..It’s just that when this hypothetical beautiful woman in skimpy clothes is gyrating in a sexually suggestive way a few metres in front of me , I would avoid visual contact with her eyes or body and would gently sidestep the situation ..She is more than free to seduce the man or titillate the ma(e)n of her choosing or to express herself as a woman..I just donot want to be a party to that incident..If that same woman in a non-sexual non-romantic context wants to engage with me, I would be more than happy accede to her requests…So I donot see how behaviour exactly akin to mine would lead to shutting out of women from various fields
Hope that clears up the confusion
cheers,
@Mabret The Virile Maiden
I hope my answers regarding transgender semen retention clarified your queries,
cheers,
@Naglfar
not a deity, but more like the normative Order of the universe, pure Void, Absolute nothingness, the Realm of neither perception nor non-perception
vasectomies or sterility won’t work…as their has to be conscious retaining ..the conscious effort part is important…
cheers,
@MK
I know TERFs like to use “womyn,” but I haven’t seen them use “womxn.” Maybe I just haven’t seen it as much, but I’ve mostly seen “womxn” used by trans* people, especially NB folx who identify as NB women. IIRC “womxn” was a reaction to TERFs taking “womyn.”
I’ve thought about tying to take it back by calling myself a trans* womyn, because the original purpose of that spelling was to remove the word “man” and I (and other trans* women) want to make it clear that we are not men. Not sure if that would be a good idea.
ETA: TERFs also like “womban” IIRC.
I grew some fava beans once. I didn’t particularly like the taste (I might have waited too long to pick them, or I might have overcooked them) but their blossoms smell wonderful.
I seem to have the cilantro gene too. Is it just fresh cilantro? I don’t seem to have a problem, or at least not much of a problem, with corainder.
@Naglfar
I misunderstood your question. .I thought you were asking whether having vasectomy or sterility would excuse a man from doing SR…I said no as conscious retention of entire semen is important …it does not matter how many sperm cells are being unconsciously retained by the vasectomy man or sterile man
Whether the conscious semen retention of vasectomized men or sterile men would be effective or not…..the answer would be an Yes
Cheers,
@Buttercup
Pregnancy is not voluntary female sex energy retention because the sex energy already got transformed into pregnancy ….and there was no conscious spiritual effort to stop the monthly loss——- all this of course according to spiritual theory and would be hogwash according to the standard model of physics
@Naglfar
I misunderstood your question. .I thought you were asking whether having vasectomy or sterility would excuse a man from doing SR…I said no as conscious retention of entire semen is important …it does not matter how many sperm cells are being unconsciously retained by the vasectomy man or sterile man
Whether the conscious semen retention of vasectomized men or sterile men would be effective or not…..the answer would be an Yes
Cheers,
@Buttercup
Pregnancy is not voluntary female sex energy retention because the sex energy already got transformed into pregnancy ….and there was no conscious spiritual effort to stop the monthly loss——- all this of course according to spiritual theory and would be hogwash according to the standard model of physics
@Hippodameia
Nor do I, but I thought coriander was the seeds ground, so maybe it’s just the leaves?
Standard model of physics? This is like when the Ancient Aliens guys say “mainstream archaeologists.” It suggests there’s an alternative equally credible explanation for things that have already been explained quite well.
Mr Semen Retainer, you speak as if there’s exactly one “spiritual theory”, rather than the thousands in reality, which shard continually into ever-finer distinctions with ever-less difference between them, and sometimes spring forth ex nihilo from the brains of con artists. You will obviously say that those spiritual traditions which glorify not semen retention, but rather semen expenditure, (e.g. Egyptian mythology) are incorrect. Since neither you nor the adherents of the Egyptian religion can produce any evidence which would compel me to believe the one and shun the other, I can only believe neither of you.
I challenge you to quantify “sexual energy”. Since you use the term “energy”, which has an established meaning in physics, you appear to believe that your concept and the physical one are analogous. Can you produce a well-defined unit of “sexual energy”? one like that of time (“the second is 9’192’631’770 periods of the electromagnetic radiation corresponding to the oscillation between the two hyperfine ground states of the caesium-133 atom”) or length? (“the metre is that distance in vacuum which light traverses in 1/299’792’458 of the second as defined above”)
Perhaps you find it difficult to produce as good a definition of a unit of sexual energy. Fair; we have been measuring length and time for thousands of years before SI. Can you build something that can measure sexual energy, like a ruler for length or candle-clock for time? Can you build multiple such devices which operate on different principles but nevertheless arrive at the same measurement for the same thing? Radar, the odometer, and the humble ruler all operate on different physical principles, but correctly used, arrive at the same answer, to within instrumental precision. Just so for candle-clocks, quartz watches, and “one Mississippi, two Mississippi”.
There is no “spiritual”way to stop having periods. If this ancient sage lady you’re waving around as an example for us lesser women was actually amenorrheic, there was a physical reason for it.
One of the things that can stop regular mensuration is not getting enough calories. Perhaps she was starving herself of more than her husband’s affections. Still a physical cause.
@Weasel-Rah
I’m aware the some raw vegans who don’t get enough calories experience amenorrhea and claim it’s because veganism prevents you from getting periods. Malnutrition does.
Fava beans contain high levels of tyramine, as do liver and Chianti. High tyramine foods are contra-indicted for some types of anti-depressants/anti-psychotics. Hence the in-joke in Silence of the Lambs.
Also, o/t but found this quite interesting reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/feb/15/feminism-feminists-tyranny-niceness-complexity
@WWTH
Much as I hate to appear to stand up for this ninnyhammer, the Standard Model is so called because there are phenomena not fully explained, mostly relating to how exactly gravity works and the whole Dark Energy issue. Nothing to do with this asshole’s nonsense.
@SMRO
Don’t fucking do this.