By David Futrelle
Joaquin Phoenix’s speech at last night’s Oscars was as weird as the man himself. Phoenix, who won Best Actor for his work at the titular character in Joker, delivered up a rambling monologue that touched on human selfishness, so-called “cancel culture,” and the many forms of human bigotry. He also threw in a plug for … cows? “We feel entitled to artificially inseminate a cow and steal her baby, even though her cries of anguish are unmistakable,” he declared. “Then we take her milk that’s intended for her calf and we put it in our coffee and our cereal.”
One thing he didn’t mention in his speech? The incels who see his character in Joker as a sort of incel hero, a second coming of Elliot Rodger.
And they’re pretty peeved about it. On the Incels.co forums, a prolific commenter called FidelCashFlow laid out his complaint:
![[RageFuel] Why did Joaquin Phoenix not talk about incel rights at his oscar speech?
Thread starter FidelCashflow
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Yesterday at 10:12 PM
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Wtf is wrong with this faggot. He got up there and talked some bullshit about how taking milk from cows is evil and humans shouldnt act like we are at the top of the food chain.
This retard couldnt take 5 seconds out of that boring ass nonsensical speech to talk about incel rights, the one group that supported his movie through thick and thin.
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In a followup comment, Mr. CashFlow elaborated on his basic critique:
I atleast expected him to talk about the downtrodden and how you shouldnt push someone down when they are already depressed or bad results are bound to happen.
But no, instead of mentioning something that would be in line with the plot of the movie, he instead talks about muh animal rights
Most of the other commenters agreed with his basic complaint, with one especially edgy incel asking “[w]hy didn’t he just go ER [Elliot Rodger] right then and there? Fucking cuck.”
“Normies care more about how cows and pigs are treated than how you are treated” complained another.
“When he started talking about animal rights like some soyboy I got pretty pissed off,” reported still another commenter..
Literally no mention of the people he’s repersenting in the movie, he cares more about animals than incels.
It didn’t take long for some of the Incels.co regulars to blame the (((Jews))) for Phoenix’s speech not being some sort of incel rant.
Every last one of these Hollywood scumbags knows where their bread is buttered and (((who))) butters it.
They won’t say or do anything that goes against the Jewish agenda out of fear that they’ll never work in Jew Hollywood ever again.
Joker though a great movie was simply another way of victimizing people like us via the cynical old Jew cash grab of the goyim.
Taking a slightly different tack, one commenter put the blame instead on Big Soy, declaring that Phoenix had to avoid talking about incels because otherwise “the soys will attack him.”
A few of the slightly more reality-based incels pointed out that there is a difference between an actor and a character, and that the Joker movie isn’t actually the incel manifesto that some incels imagine it to be.
This being Incels.co, they were mostly ignored.
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I haven’t seen the movie, but wasn’t the point to mock incels?
That’s a bit of an about face, seeing as mere months ago incels were threatening to shoot up theaters showing this movie. I wonder what triggered the sudden change? I’m guessing they just needed something new to be mad about. The alt-right’s memory span is very short, as usual.
Not to start another argument, but I’d rather hear about and support animal rights than more rights for privileged white men who aren’t getting laid as much as they’d like and demand the right to rape women.
Silly incel; obviously Joaquin couldn’t be bribed with butter!
I have to wonder why they believed Phoenix would care about them in the first place. He probably saw it as just another role he had to play, and almost certainly had no idea how the incels would adopt his version of the Joker as one of their own. Or that incels were a thing that existed at that matter- they’re not nearly as well-known of a group as they think.
They think the Joker was a hero?
I admit I am curious. What. exactly. are “incel rights”?
@otrame
The right for them to have all their desires granted without having to do anything themselves to do so, of course.
@Anonymous:
Overriding other people’s rights in the process. This is a feature, not a bug.
@otrame
It sounds like they’re trying to pretend to be an oppressed minority again. Like that time that they tried to claim the “I” in LGBTQIPA+ stood for incels (it actually stands for intersex).
I wonder if their tears of impotent rage taste crisp and refreshing.
Problem is, I can’t imagine getting close enough to an incel to obtain a sample.
Actually I think Phoenix’s weird segue into animals rights, especially with the graphic imagery, was perfectly keeping with the film trolling and mocking of people with sincere concerns.
I really don’t understand how anyone can see this lefty critique of Reaganomics/Neoliberalism in that film that has cropped up again and again in its defense.
I’m with Otrame: I’d love to see David come up with a list of “rights” that incels believe that the government and/or society should guarantee to them but which aren’t part of existing legal/social guarantees.
Obvs they talk about thinks like the redistribution of sex and there’s probably a “right” for men to get laid somewhere in their ideology. Beyond that, however, I’m not sure what rights they’ve ever advocated, and thus you never get to “rights [PLURAL]” just by citing that.
So what is this list of incel rights they advocate?
Apparently the meaning of the word “actor” escapes them.
@Moggie
They absolutely do.
@Ann K
They seem to have a bigger problem differentiating reality and fiction in general. This is just a symptom of that.
I believe those would be, in order of importance:
1) the right to an underage (15-17), white, blonde, HB8+ virgin girlfriend who will worship him, clean and cook for him, and have sex with him whenever and however he wants;
2) extensive sympathy from the rest of the population for their poor, put-upon selves, who have never been anything but supreme gentlemen to everyone around them;
3) that the government fund plastic surgery for them, so that they can “correct” the infinitesimally minute “imperfections” that have been holding them back their whole lives (but no therapy to deal with their obvious anger and entitlement issues and often depression, because those couldn’t possibly be a problem and shrinks are for soyboys);
4) free money from the government, with most also demanding that no free money be given to anyone else, especially women and minorities; and
5) absolute control over all of time and space.
…I may have made a few of those up, but more than half are essentially what a lot of them say they want.
@Gaebolga
There’s no way they’d be satisfied with just a HB8, they demand a HB10 Stacy. And she’d better fuck like a porn star despite being a virgin.
They aren’t wrong though. I care more about 3 cent rise in gas cost way more then I care about anything an incel has to say.
Moggie
CHUDs love comic book villains. First they embraced Bane, then Thanos, now Joker. I think they dropped Bane when they found out that Tom Hardy is on team “SJW.” Now that Phoenix has disappointed them too, they’ll have to find something else destructive to admire. Maybe the rampaging dinosaurs in the next Jurassic World movie (if one’s in the works.)
I really don’t know why they thought Joaquin Phoenix would be one of them. He’s from an entertainment family that seems hippiesh and is married to an actress who was wealthy from birth. Doesn’t seem like a recipe for incel to me.
Todd Phillips on the other hand…
They think they’re the only ones who have always supported this film? Sure, Jan.
Most people don’t know what an incel is, even if they’ve heard the word.
As Joker is pretty much a mash-up of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy you’d think they’d have identified with Travis Bickle or Rupert Pupkin before now.
They don’t know much about him.. He’s been a vegan and animal rights activist for a long time, narrating two films (Earthlings and Dominion) which are about human cruelty to animals in the meat, dairy and fur trades. He’s even attended vigils for animals about to be slaughtered still wearing his tuxedo from an awards show. I think it’s damn awesome what he did in his speech and incels can get fucked.
@varalys the dark
Yeah it’s not hard to respect a man who takes a stand to try and end pain for other living things that aren’t human. To me he seems like that will smith meme ” he’s a little confused but he’s got spirit”
I’m not sure it’s fair to call the speech ‘rambling’; it seemed pretty coherent to me. And it was great to see someone using a platform for good.
But I love how this pic sums everything up. Oscar on floor, tucking into vegan burgers.
He’s from a family that belonged to the Children of God cult and his parents were pushing their kids into show business from far too young an age.