By David Futrelle
Over on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today, the regulars are working themselves into a tizzy over a terrible injustice: one of their MGTOW brothers has gotten a bunch of downvotes elsewhere on Reddit for posting a not-so-nice comment about fat women.
“I just got downvoted like 200 downvotes for saying that fat women are not attractive, what the hell?” complained narmohare. “I’m sorry my hobby isn’t whaling.”
Naturally, there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth amongst the MGTOWs and cries of outrage about the evils of PC culture and its alleged hatred of The Truth about the evils of obesity.
But some of the most visceral hate was directed not at fat women themselves but instead at the men who allegedly enable this fatness by speaking out against fat-hatred and sometimes (the horror!) even dating fat women.
“[T]here [are] men out there that keep fucking these whales,” wrote Incapaisa.
Not only that there are some openly [walking in] public with them with hand in tow.
I have 2 friends who currently have a whale as a gf.
They are in shape , make money and dated hotter ,skinnier thots but according to them from the cheating or money drain they prefer to date down. Way the fuck down .
I in college slayed a whale or two when that was last call. If you can tolerate the sheer mass of size you do get great head and usually they take it in the ass the first night.
I can’t do it long term but some men can hence they have no motivation to be at a healthy weight.
Blame the male sex drive for some of these simps actually not only fucking whales but even [committing] to one
One commenter took this argument a bit further, suggesting that if men continued to tolerate (and date and even marry) fat women it very well might send us stumbling towards the literal end of civilization itself.
“These are dark times,” wrote ilikerelish,
because what these fools are doing is creating generations of men who have been indoctrinated with the idea that fat is attractive. that is going to create a feedback loop where women will then make themselves fat to be what the guys desire so that they can get that attention.
Uh oh!
Guys will continue to want fatter and fatter women until they are so unhealthy as to not support birth, and then maybe we’ll start returning to reality in health and fitness. …
Normalizing unhealthy ideas is dangerous, and may prove to be our undoing.
We’ve been warned, I guess.
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Wow. Lovely. Look if you don’t find fat women attractive, don’t date fat women. Or wait – I thought you were MGTOW – why do you care about dating at all?
I’m fat. I have a ‘normal’ weight partner. Who loves me. And who likes my body. He doesn’t think he’s dating down. (Ha ha I don’t think!)
But as a fat woman, I’ve experienced guys who seem to be dating my fat instead of me. Or guys who are trying to overlook it. And guys who are just not attracted because I am fat. And also guys who don’t seem to care and like/don’t like me depending on personality. And best yet, guys who like my body type and like me. And really any of those shouldn’t influence anyone else.
@ lainy
Yes. Totally and unequivocally the right thing; both you and hubby.
@FlyByKiwi
Or professional. “Office wear” for skinny people features loud patterns and bright colors to mirror the jolly, outgoing, larger-than-life personality that fashion designers are sure all skinny people have. Skinny people thrive on the attention they get from wearing a magenta hibiscus print in the office, and it doesn’t at all feel like a scarlet letter. It’s so much easier for skinny people to get a promotion when their work outfits look like cruisewear.
@Ohlmann
These guys have no idea what a healthy weight is, because they apply a multiplier to every woman they see. 1 pound avoirdupois = 1.4 MGTOW pounds. So if you weigh 130 lbs, in MGTOW pounds that’s 182 and you’re a land whale, no matter what your height or frame or body composition.
@Naglfar
Yes indeedy. Anatomically, they’re located just beneath the assfax.
@Nequam
Got me to click the link so…troll/10
You want to really troll? I remember this fat acceptance poster showing a plus-sized women with her back to the camera, in her lingerie. This buffed up Calvin Klein-looking male model had one arm around her and was glaring into the camera as if to say “she’s mine”.
Underneath were the words “It takes a special type of man to handle heavy equipment”.
So…basically no self-awareness whatsoever. She can be 300 pounds and he’d better love every single square inch of her. But he’d better be buff, 6 foot 2 with a six pack.
Flaunt your usual lack of self-awareness and we’ll REEEE every single time. You’re welcome!
When will these guys go their own way and just leave the rest of us alone?
@IronCthulu : the average template of your posts is showing you didn’t understand something, then owning yourself really hard, then declaring victory. That’s a bit stale at the 455th time, even if there is comedic value in just how ridiculous you look.
If I provide you a chess board, I think you could vary your routine by shitting on it.
Alternatively, you can also try to understanding something. You can start by small stuff, like for example that not everyone like the same thing, but even that seem hard for you.
@Lainy
Even if the guy hadn’t acted objectively wrongly and manipulatively and horribly (and he absolutely did), you’re not obligated to keep talking to someone who makes you uncomfortable. “I’m not going to interact with you any more” is not some kind of cruel and unusual punishment that can only be reserved for absolute monsters. Your company is a privilege, and not a right, and you have every right to revoke it for whatever reason.
@IronCthulu
Yeah, I’m getting pretty tired of your schtick, dude. If you post more ableist bullshit like this I’m going to request a ban. (For those unaware, ‘reee’ is used as an onomatopoeia for ‘autistic screeching’)
@IronCthulhu
Aww, buddy, posters aside, have you looked at the real world? It’s full of fat dudes with slim ladies. And media reflects that all the time too. Why no outrage? Is that example also lacking in self-awareness?
But wait, could it be because fat people and slim people together in any combination do occur in the wild, and it isn’t anyone’s business to be all judgy judge. I mean, nobody is forcing you to wear purple, eat pineapple on pizza, or date fat people as the only good and true choice. Go ahead and be as discriminate in your own choices as you like. I doubt a poster truly made you feel concerned about your own preferences.
Besides, there have been posters of fat dudes with adoring slim ladies with a caption like “there’s more of him to love” and that’s not like ruined civilization.
@Nequam
Aww, Hilda! She’s always looked so happy to me frolicking in the bushes starkers. A pinup girl for good mood regardless of the observer’s gender and sexual preference.
@ IronCthulhu – fuck off with your unoriginal fucking chan speak.
Mind the comments policy.
Also, that was LITERALLY not trolling. It was in our space, and it wasn’t harmful. Do you even understand definitions, bro?
And, lest you think that you’re riling me up, rest assured i will honestly forget you until you drop your next little turd on a chess board.
Like, honestly. I see your name, and go ‘oh riiiiight. Guess they haven’t been banned yet SOMEONE must still enjoy refuting their inane points, i guess.’
Troll score – enough that i remember that you’ve been here before (when i see your ‘nym), not enough that i would laugh if you suddenly showed up again from a long absence. .5 in the ‘o hai mark’ scale.
Thank you everyone, that does really help. I don’t know why it’s making me feel guilty about my choice with this. In fact my husband conversation with him was much less kind then my one was. A gender insult got thrown around which was almost funny because the ex friend responded with progressive and maybe even feminist language like he didn’t just try to manipulate me into a sexual situation I was uncomfortable with.
@Lainy
You did the right thing, what he said was manipulative as fuck. In fact:
I dunno about everyone else, but doesn’t this bit carry overtones of blackmail? Because it feels that way to me.
@IrionAsshole
Don’t you have a life? or friends? A gold fish? something other then coming here and being a pain in the ass. Does another hot woman have to tell you to get lost? because I’ll do it? I’m sorry you think fat women can’t have prefrences in their dating life but they can want someone there attracted to just like I can as a conventionally attractive woman. And apparently it does take a special kind of man to be with a fat woman, just like it takes a special kind of man to be with a tall woman because dudes like egos are made of glass that is so fragile that you only see a partner as a thing to boost your ego and not as a living person with feelings and wants.
Also your an ablest dickhead.
I’m not sure what you mean about this? The important people in my life already know about my drug abuse history cause I’m pretty open about it. A huge activist to try and deal with the opioid epidemic in the united states because that’s how I got it. Doctors were handing that shit out like candy but no one explained to me how it can get you high and can form addictions to it. And I happened to get it right in the middle of the worst time in my life so I was really vulnerable to it since I wanted to escape from my reality like all of the time.
@Lainy – you probably feel bad because you were ”””mean””” to someone. And women are conditioned to be mean to no one.
Women are also trained to take every encounter that rings alarm bells with an internal ‘am I misinterpreting this? Could he be saying something innocent, and i’m just reading into it? Would telling him he’s making me uncomfortable be mean??????’
It’s a societal wide effort to get people to ignore their gut, and to minimise setting boundaries. Doing both is a really amazing act, honestly.
Duder being able to gasp out feminist language isn’t surprising, he might even think of himself as a feminist. He’s a really bad one, though, if someone saying “you are making me uncomfortable” doesn’t make him stop.
He could also being using it as camo to slip into spaces, and then hurt people. We’ve seen it before.
These are my thoughts, they may or may not align with what you are going through. Just know that you handled that situation in a textbook fashion.
@Buttercup
I’d imagine manospherians know a fair amount about rectal anatomy, seeing how good they are at making asses of themselves.
@Ohlmann
Frankly, that describes most of the manosphere. That just seems to be their general strategy.
@Rhuu
You’re far more generous than I am. I would have given zero. I’ve seen Markov bots more entertaining than this fellow.
@Lainy
You did the right thing. Trust yourself.
The man you speak of sounds like a type I’ve seen before. He pretends to be a feminist to get closer to women and to abuse them but doesn’t actually care in any way. Block him and try your best to make sure he stays out of your life. You’re better off without him.
@IronCthulhu
We’re not trolling. You’re the troll. I have too many better things to do.
Some part of me thinks you must know how ridiculous you sound. People of all sizes and shapes can date people of all sizes and shapes.
Go fuck yourself. Just fuck off. Go back to the wastes of 4chan from whence ye came.
Yeah, this is sounding more likely by the minute. He’s sounding less like a horny asshole and more like a more ‘sophisticated’ predator who knows how to parrot the right words to gain people’s trust before he abuses them.
If this is the case, I wouldn’t be surprised if part of the guilt Lainy is feeling is because he guilt-tripped her when she was starting to withdraw from the conversation. These types tend to use things like “you’re being unreasonable and unfair and you won’t give me a chance!” as a cudgel.
I keep hearing the whine of a pesky insect. Should I be breaking out citronella candles?
@Lainy
I don’t think you should feel conflicted about your actions towards this former friend / current internet pest guy. He persisted in a behavior that was making you uncomfortable even after he was informed that it was inappropriate. Ergo, cutting him off is nothing to mull about. He did not behave well. Your actions were a direct and sensible consequence.
Telling your husband about the event is sort of neutral in my books. It depends on too many things in your relationship that I don’t know about. On one hand, it creates more unnecessary conflict, on the other hand sharing an annoying experience with a significant other is normal aspect of a relationship, and it’s not like you tossed an innocent into the fray or caused all that much stress for your husband. It’s probably alright all things considered.
I’m super confused by your former friend’s logic though. Once upon a time you had a drug problem and therefore you should not be intimate with or married to your husband now? You don’t actually have to answer or elaborate. It just seems such troll logic. I am surprised you should feel unsettled about your very correct choice to shut down that conversation.
Am I the only one concerned to hear this MGTOW’s friends are dating whales? When did this become normal?? People, I know they’re cute, but whales are wild animals and very large ones at that! They can’t consent to dating you and do not make good pets. Why, a whale just attempting a playful slap could result in your boat capsizing! Leave the wild animals be! /s
@kupo
And even if they could I doubt they’d want to date a MGTOW.
The wedding would be awkward because you’d have to invite the whole pod and they’d probably insist on having the ceremony in whalesong. Trust me, you do not want a blue whale bellowing your entire ceremony at 180 dB, it will destroy your ears. And all their songs are too long.
I’d recommend instead just marrying the sea.
@kupo : I think it’s doable for dwarf sperm whales, who are like 3 meter long top. While tending to such a beast is a big endeavor, it’s also one someone can do with enough time, dedication, and money. Don’t kinkshame people who like exotism !
Plus, I think the sizes are ever so slightly more compatible than with a blue whale, where it’s borderline if you can swim into their junk.
@Ohlmann
That was something I thought about, but the wedding would still be awkward. And the living situation would be tough to sort out.
There is an avant-grade musical composition by Nam June Paik that calls for the player to crawl into the vagina of a blue whale. To the best of my knowledge that part has never been performed.
So like… my understanding of history includes a bit where fat used to be considered the conventional standard of attractiveness (for birth-giving reasons or something like that iirc) and then that standard shifted, leading to the current day where women do make themselves unhealthily slim to be what is considered attractive.
So… I guess it’s another case of MGTOW types getting so damn close, yet so far ?
@IronCthulhu
I’m not super active on here these days, so I prolly missed your hour of relevance. Mind if I ask exactly why we still keep you here ?
@Sinkable John
Given that he’s got serious delusions of adequacy, I think he’s still here because he hasn’t quite picked up on the fact that his schtick is both pathetically transparent and tedious to the point of meh.
With his track record, I expect he’ll figure this out in a few years.
The only whale dating I approve of: