By David Futrelle
Over on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today, the regulars are working themselves into a tizzy over a terrible injustice: one of their MGTOW brothers has gotten a bunch of downvotes elsewhere on Reddit for posting a not-so-nice comment about fat women.
“I just got downvoted like 200 downvotes for saying that fat women are not attractive, what the hell?” complained narmohare. “I’m sorry my hobby isn’t whaling.”
Naturally, there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth amongst the MGTOWs and cries of outrage about the evils of PC culture and its alleged hatred of The Truth about the evils of obesity.
But some of the most visceral hate was directed not at fat women themselves but instead at the men who allegedly enable this fatness by speaking out against fat-hatred and sometimes (the horror!) even dating fat women.
“[T]here [are] men out there that keep fucking these whales,” wrote Incapaisa.
Not only that there are some openly [walking in] public with them with hand in tow.
I have 2 friends who currently have a whale as a gf.
They are in shape , make money and dated hotter ,skinnier thots but according to them from the cheating or money drain they prefer to date down. Way the fuck down .
I in college slayed a whale or two when that was last call. If you can tolerate the sheer mass of size you do get great head and usually they take it in the ass the first night.
I can’t do it long term but some men can hence they have no motivation to be at a healthy weight.
Blame the male sex drive for some of these simps actually not only fucking whales but even [committing] to one
One commenter took this argument a bit further, suggesting that if men continued to tolerate (and date and even marry) fat women it very well might send us stumbling towards the literal end of civilization itself.
“These are dark times,” wrote ilikerelish,
because what these fools are doing is creating generations of men who have been indoctrinated with the idea that fat is attractive. that is going to create a feedback loop where women will then make themselves fat to be what the guys desire so that they can get that attention.
Uh oh!
Guys will continue to want fatter and fatter women until they are so unhealthy as to not support birth, and then maybe we’ll start returning to reality in health and fitness. …
Normalizing unhealthy ideas is dangerous, and may prove to be our undoing.
We’ve been warned, I guess.
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Umm…I don’t think any woman regardless of weight has any interest in MGTOWs. At least, I don’t.
I’m sorry my hobby isn’t hanging out with delusional misogynistic fascists.*
*Not actually sorry.
I was going to be like, do Incapaisa’s friends know that he’s a pile of hot, milky garbage who says awful things about their girlfriends? But then:
Apparently his friends are also hot, milky garbage and say awful things about their girlfriends. I guess it makes sense that they hang out together.
Assuming they are real, I hope those two women realize they don’t need that shit and leave.
Um, these guys do know that in prehistoric times, fat women were considered the ideal, and still are in some areas. The concept of ideal body type isn’t some static thing, it changes Considering that we’ve managed to grow worldwide population to 7 billion plus, I think we’ll be ok
When women have to expend the energy to keep another human being alive for 2 years (through pregnancy & nursing), that extra weight is not a bad thing.
OTOH, wankers who want head & ass-fucking are doing more to exterminate the human race than any fat woman, because neither of these activities can result in pregnancy.
It’s almost like their boners are more important than children & their concerns about the future of the human race is just self-serving B.S.
Larger women have been desirable at various times and places in human history, and so far it’s failed to create a Darwinian feedback loop. It’s almost like humans don’t uniformly select for girth.
He’s trying so hard to sound like a Hardened Sex Veteran here. Bless his little heart.
Curious how he’s not making the same slippery slope argument about skinny women. Being too underweight can also be detrimental to pregnancy and, in the extreme, cause menstruation to stop.
I’ll say. Maybe we can start by not normalizing Nazis, misogynists, climate change deniers, and ill-informed asspinions.
I used to be puzzled as to why men like this cared about the fact that there are men out there who like what these men don’t like.
And then I realised it’s about controlling women. They think all women at all times owe them slimness and beauty. And they want to scare women outside of their aesthetic preference by claiming no man will like them.
It’s so pathetic.
MGTOWs must live in such a state of useless, oscillating rage because they care SO MUCH about what other people do with their lives, or even just look like. It astonishes me that this crowd of “norms just can’t cope because we’re doing our OWN THING” can spend so much energy frothing because a woman has the impunity to exist in a way that doesn’t match their exact sexual preferences.
Also where is this planet where being a thin woman = being financially maintained by boyfriend. There’s some girls I must inform!
I need some advice guys, or at least some validation that I did the right thing.
So a friend that I had in high school started messaging me again a couple weeks ago, and I thought he was trying to reconnect our friendship. But then today he said something clearly sexual to me and made me uncomfortable. I reminded him that I was married, then more things were said, he was bringing up things about my drug abuse history, and outright said to me that my physical relationship with my husband could trigger a relapse.
At this point I told him that his behavior was making me very uncomfortable and that I was done talking to him. I showed the messages to my husband who pointed out many manipulative behaviors he said to me during those text, as he was someone that grew up in a house hold full of personality disorders he knew what manipulative behavior looked like but for some reason there is a pit of guilt in my stomach tonight. My husband did also message him on his own account and basically called him out on his manipulative behavior and trying to fuck a married woman while her husbands away. I guess I just need validation I did the right thing because idk what’s going on in my guts right now.
I think I’ll just piss some MGTOWs off in a way that should be entertaining for us:
https://www.boredpanda.com/plus-size-pinup-girl-hilda-duane-bryers/
Love how obesity is only ever a “health” problem.in women. Im.guessing a decent number of these guys are quite a few pounds over a “healthy weight”, but since this is never really about health but about (their personal standards of) fuckability, it doesn’t count. Kind of like when 2016 Ghostbusters was a-coming and this sort was all in a tizzy with the “won’t somebody think of the children!” handwringing over how allowing Melissa McCarthy to have a career is “glorifying obesity”–from the same people who had and continue to have zero problems with the supposed morality of having allowed Chris Farley or John Candy or Josh Go for (fill in fat/obese male actor or comedian I might have missed here) to have a career. Not a single word about how these men having careers despite being as big of bigger than McCarthy were/are harming children with their public existence. No, for some reason, it’s only “glorifying obesity” when fat women exist in public without shame and have careers and succeed at things without first shedding enough pounds to “deserve” it.
@ Lainy
FWIW coming from me, you did the right thing. Now the guy’s misconduct had been outed , he’d be a fool to try it with you again.
@Lainy. You did the right thing. That man is not your friend. He attempted to gaslight you and is by accounts a POS. Nice guys don’t try to mess with other people’s marriages.
@Lainy, you did good.
You told the dude he was making you uncomfortable and you set clear boundaries.
You sought a second opinion from a trusted source (husband) who backed your feelings and provided additional insight.
You did good. Husband did good.
Block the turd and carry on happily, because you don’t need that jerk in your life.
@Demonhype : it’s not so much that being overweight* isn’t a problem in man, it’s that if a man have a condition or problem and yet date, he is an hero that beat the odds, and if a woman have a condition or problem, she’s a subhuman trash that should be culled.
I mean, I am pretty sure that they fat shame men too. The essential problem is that they think men can overcome obstacles, but not women.
* because let’s face it : they don’t look at actual medical obesity. I wouldn’t even be surprised if some of his “whale” were actually underweight.
Nequam: I wrote a Hilda fic for Yuletide 2018.
(G-rated. Crossover with the Norman Rockwell illustration, “Fixing a Flat.” Really, more people should write fics around the concept of a shared Illustrationverse.)
Right, because the primary message you hear in our society is that fat is attractive. Not that fat people are unhealthy, ugly, lazy, greedy etc. Nope, you just never hear the latter. All the “hot” movie roles go to fat women, while thin actresses struggle to find work, apart from “comic relief skinny friend”. The fashion industry caters mainly to larger women, with the catwalks being dominated by porky models, while skinny women can’t find clothes to buy which fit. Slim women get overlooked for promotions while their chubbier sisters get fast-tracked in their careers. And have you noticed how you never see non-fat women in adverts, or on magazine covers? In fact, print media invariably photoshops women to add several pounds! Slender women are literally being airbrushed out of existence! It’s basically fat Stalinism!
> Lainy
You and your husband had the right behavior.
Not only this is a insidious attempt of emotional manipulation, but it is also a big pile of bovine excrements. On the contrary, the presence of a close person whom can provide emotional and physical supports help to limit the risks to relapse in an addiction.
I do not know how close of a friend the guy you are talking about was, but he clearly is not anymore.
On Topic :
Ah, those guys would have hate Albert Dubout if he was still alive.
Wow.
That’s such a vicious thing to say. Basically, he asked, you told him no, and then he used his knowledge of your private life to try to undermine your confidence and manipulate you into changing your answer.
You don’t want this guy to know anything more about you. Ever.
Absolutely the right move.
@Moggie – too right! And when a magazine or catalogue does put one even slightly slimmer than normal model on the cover, they expect a Nobel-freaking-prize!
Also, if a skinny person does finally find something to fit, it’s something their grandmas would happily wear. God forbid they be allowed to wear something young or sexy.
And skinny people are constantly having to watch news stories where a camera has been pointed at skinny people’s narrow hips and flat asses as they walk down the street and even though it’s clearly about appearance not health everyone shouts and wrings their hands about people being too skinny and label it a health EPIDEMIC.
Wow you can really take this to the limit. That was fun.
Thanks, @Moggie.
@Lainy.
You did more than good. You did great. Especially considering your worries from a few weeks back.
@Moon: Aw, that was cute!
It’s becoming clear in science that us humans put on fat as a protective measure for stress, there is no peer reviewed, science backed way to lose weight long term (i.e. longer than 2 years, more than 10% of starting weight), and that losing weight and gaining it back is worse for your health than being fat in the first place.
We also have about as much control over our body weight as we have our height.
And being tall comes with similar health risks as being fat.
Then there is the fact that we simply don’t know if the increased death risk for fat people stems from them being fat or, you know, medical fucking fat phobia.
You know, when you go to the doctor as a fat person and tell them ‘My arm fell off.’ most of the time you’ll get asked ‘Have you tried losing weight?’
I’m not a fucking drain on the medical system.
When do people ‘cost’ the most money? In the last few years of life.
And being thin won’t protect you from getting frail.
IIRC the ancient Greeks considered fatness to be beautiful. I wonder when these MGTOWs will realize that their beloved “Western civilization” includes that, and how they’d respond.
@Buttercup
Are asspinions opinions someone pulls out of their ass?
@Knitting Cat Lady
I’m seeing parallels to transphobia and how transphobes claim the suicide rate and depression are because of being trans*, while research shows that it’s because of anti-trans* discrimination. It seems there’s a similar situation with fatphobia.
A MGTOW’s Yelp review of fat women everywhere
@Lainy
Absolutely you did the right thing, and so did your husband.