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By David Futrelle
If there’s one thing that most incels agree on, it’s that however degraded they think they are, at least they’re better off than cucks. And they mean this both literally and not-so-literally. While they disapprove of men who fit the dictionary definition of “cuckold” — that is, “a man whose wife is unfaithful” — their own mental dictionary has a rather more expansive view of the word.
As incels see it, anyone who defends women or challenges incels’ misogyny is a “cuck.” So are those who date or marry women whom incels see as undesirable. Sometimes they extend the insult to take in every man who has ever has sex with a woman who isn’t a virgin, and who has therefore (according to incel logic) been “cucked” by every other man she slept with before him. In this way, incels turn their own “involuntary” celibacy into a badge of honor: Incel > cuck.
But not all incels agree. In a post last fall, a prolific commenter on the Incels.co forums hit his compatriots with a new “black pill,” declaring incels themselves the ultimate cucks.
“Let’s face it,” SlayerSlayer began.
Involuntary celibate no longer means what it meant to mean. Depending on who wields the word, it can either mean any straight white male that doesn’t shit rainbows out of their asshole, or it could mean a subhuman ethnic with acne.
I generally only use the term for people who actually call themselves incels, but I guess that’s just me.
But what is true about depressed men who are completely fucked in life romantically, is that they are cucked, and they did not intend for that to happen.
It’s more accurate to call ourselves involuntary cucks. Everyone is cucking us. Soys, chads, that purple haired dyke . . . all these people you despise are the chosen bulls, and you are the one chosen by women to sit in the other room, and listen to these parties fornicate in ways YOU never will genetically deserve. They are getting laid, and you aren’t. You did not intend for such a situation to occur, but you’re forced to witness it.
You’re not being forced to witness it, dude. You’re not bound and gagged and forced to watch from a closet. You don’t have to watch porn. You ca put in headphones if you happen to hear someone down the hall in the dorm having sex.
Even when you aren’t witnessing it, you’re on your nofap, you’re in therapy, you’re putting in all the effort you can to leave it behind. But you cannot escape the cuckholdry. Ultimately, it’s all you think about. You cannot escape the thought, the obsession, the imagination on the periphery: THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS HAVING SEX, AND YOU AREN’T.
CUCK
By this logic anyone who isn’t having sex right this minute is being cucked by someone, somewhere.
And if we extend this logic only a little bit, we can redefine the word “cuck” to include virtually anything we’re being excluded from or overtaken in. The person at the next table in the restaurant gets served before you? You’re being food cucked. Someone passes you on the highway? You’re being car cucked. Someone is petting a dog and you’re not? You’re being pet cucked. Everyone is being cucked.
To be fair, most of the incels who responded to SlayerSlayer’s post dismissed it as “low IQ” and wrong. But one commenter decided to do SlayerSlayer one better.
“As long as you’re paying taxes you are supporting women against your own interests,” wrote EyesAreSoCold. “He’s right that we are involuntary cucks.”
Of all the misogynists I track, Incels probably the most inventive at coming up with new, if entirely bogus, ways to depress themselves.
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@Victorious Parasol
IMO it’s a bit of a relief. Pretty much every other alternative history about the US is about either the Confederacy winning the Civil War or the US losing WWII, and I’m kind of tired of both narratives.
@Naglfar
Agreed! It’s good to see a fresh take on alternative history in TV. What I’m liking is that this is a comparatively small change that has had a profound effect. It’s not about losing a war that we won in RL. It’s about a social change and seeing how that grew over the decades.
@Rhuu
No joke, I first saw that music video on this obscure Teletoon show called Station X, which was a very strange early 2000s Flash-animated cartoon about six Gen Yers who shared a flat (in Montreal I think) and every episode was about some young person issue (Sex, Fashion, Courage, Humiliation, etc.) affecting usually one or two of the group. The show was incredibly flat, but it tried to compensate with all sorts of weird editing gimmicks like quick zooms and split screens, but every episode also would do cut-away bits where they’d show a tangentially-related music video, film clip, or most often an “Angry Kid” short.
The “Sex” episode obviously featured this one. But I can also thank Station X for introducing me to a whole bunch of obscure CanCon, like Nova Scotia’s own Buck 65.
Just on the topic of obscure Canadian cartoons, there was another one I was thinking about the other day. Being a big BoJack Horseman fan, I wanted to watch the new show Raphael Bob-Waksberg had created for Amazon Prime called Undone. I ended up watching the first three episodes before realizing that it felt like a flashier version of a show called Delta State. Another Montreal-based cartoon, Delta State also used rotoscoped animation, and similarly focused on amnesiacs and generalized mindfuckery. The key difference was that Delta State had likeable protagonists and an enduring mystery that kept me interested, whereas with Undone, everyone seemed to behave like they weren’t quite human. The constant complaining on the part of the protagonist didn’t help.
*sigh* If there’s one thing I missed about TV, it was discovering something new and interesting just in the process of channel surfing.
@Katamount
I was considering watching Undone because I also enjoyed BoJack Horseman a lot (and am still sad it‘s ending). I haven’t seen Delta State, but from your description it sounds like Undone isn’t worth my time so I probably won’t watch it.
@FlyByKiwi: I’m being pet-cucked, too! What a coincidence!
My gray and white cat, not the cat in my avatar, prefers my spouse to me! Even though, I brought her into the house, and I’m the one who feeds her. How dare she!
Personally, one alternate history I’d love to read/watch would be one where North America wasn’t successfully colonized. I think it would be hard to pull off well, admittedly. I wouldn’t trust a white dude to write it, that’s for sure. But it would be great to see the impact of having all the different nations on a more even footing for the last several hundred years.
I can’t stop being angry at all the fun other people are having, and it’s all their fault!!!
@Catalpa
I’d find that interesting as well. I read something in a similar vein a while ago, a short story about if Africans had colonized Europe and it was interesting if a bit too short.
Steven Barnes wrote a pair of novels where history changes when Alexander the Great doesn’t die young. The main changes are a middle-eastern/African dominance, with Europe a barbarian backwater. Lion’s Blood and Zulu Heart Musician Alexander James Adams, under his name at the time Heather Alexander, wrote music to accompany the first book, and some those lyrics are used in the novel. Barnes includes a redhead woman fiddler in both the beginning and end of the book in tribute to him. The album is Inshallah
Alexander transitioned a number of years ago, but is keeping the copyright for the music he did as Heather Alexander under that name. I highly recommend both the books and all of Alexander’s music.
@Naglfar
Well, I did describe it in the least charitable way. To be fair to it, it’s obvious that the protagonist is suffering from some pretty severe depression, and I think what Raphael is going for is a meditation on mental illness and family dynamics, but none of the interactions between the main character and anyone around her feels natural. Her interactions with her boyfriend feel particularly forced, bordering on obnoxious.
*shrug* YMMV.
Oooh, another OT, but Toronto/Ontario Mammotheers might know about this place. I was watching a doc on the Battle of the Boyne and it brought to mind that there is a Boyne River in Ontario. Four of them in fact. But the Boyne River I knew had a Natural Science school where I had a couple overnight field trips in grade school. That place was awesome! Baseball, fireflies, candle-making, hiking, rock-climbing, even a cool aerial course!
So I looked it up.
It closed in 2003 and has been abandoned for the past 17 years.
The buildings are just… sitting there empty… rotting away. Overgrowing. Decaying.
https://ibuildit.ca/blog/abandoned-places-boyne-river-natural-science-school/
It’s a shame. I had some really fun times there.
@Katamount
I’ll take that into account.
Those abandoned buildings look like the setting from some post apocalyptic film, being mostly untouched and eerily still.
Since you’re talking about books:
Anyone here read Margaret Atwood’s The Testaments? I recently re-read The Handmaid’s Tale, and then of course had to follow it up with the recent sequel. Without wanting to give away any spoilers, it was nice to read something which offered some hope. I’d almost forgotten what that feels like.
The commentator seems to take the erroneous notion that somehow being a soldier is somehow something that is innately gendered and that only men can be soldiers. Which ignores that their have been women who served as soldiers and warriors thought out the entirety of human history.
Tomoe Gozen, Ching Shih, Civil War Veteran Cathy Williams, the 588th night bomber regiment “Night Witches”, Sniper Roza Shanina, and many women in past and contemporary history who sit across a wide gender spectrum who served in military’s and fought in wars.
Their is nothing inherently gendered about being a soldier, being a warrior, or in engaging in physical violence. Any Misogynist, male chauvinist punk who thinks otherwise: I invite them to be referred to these women who have trudged the field of battle.
Or even referring to the oft quoted archetype associated to women of the “mama bear” who would wreak your face if you try and hurt her kids, whatever her flaws; my own mother was one such mother.
And it’s one of many reasons among many why I know, that these women hating sexists are just straight up wrong about women and just about every bs notion they hold and espouse.
I remember Delta State! I never got to finish the show, but I’ve described how the pattern on that one person’s shirt worked to people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbp0xAdFNFc
I really should track down the episodes of this, and watch it!
I have a terribly awful cold right now, I’m being health-cucked! And I’m pretty sure it comes from my mother, because I was around her, helping her being more comfortable during her own sickness! Health-cucked by my own mother! Truly this is the Greatest Betrayal(tm)!
That said, @Victorious Parasol – Thanks for the link, it does seem like it could be interesting… Although I’ll be a bit annoyed if witchcraft turns out to be gender-restricted. Some of us guys want cool supernatural powers too! (Also, quite a few of the accused in Salem were men, such as my personal fave Giles Corey – his stones were definitely bigger than the ones used to crush him, if you’ll pardon the metaphor).
Also, that poster you quoted seems woefully ignorant of non-Common Law-based legal codes; plenty of these have “guilty until proven innocent” tendencies, IIRC. Last I checked, it still didn’t do women in countries with those laws many favors.
@Paireon
Yes, I was wondering about Giles Corey, too – “More weight!” Did he exist at all in the Motherland universe?
Hope you feel better!
@Victorious Parasol – LOL, still some of the most badass last words ever uttered IMO.
And I should be good enough to go back to work tomorrow, thank you very much for your concern.
Oh, and as a Canuckistani I also remember Delta State – barely. Man, some days I really wish I could wind back the clock and redo my youth (and by some days I mean every day).
I’m definitely being pet cucked. My kitty most definitely visits other homes where she eats, sleeps, gets petted and walks like she owns the place.
Wait, wait. You mean 2003 was seventeen years ago??
Now seriously, sorry to hear that. I’ve seen it happening to some places from my childhood. But then again I’ve always been a big fan of ruins and abandoned places (there’s a town in the middle of the Province of Buenos Aires famous for being abandoned since a big flood took over half the town. The water then receded, and the effect on the abandoned ruins is truly phantasmagorical)
@Luzbelitx
Me too. I especially like abandoned contemporary buildings that have been reclaimed by nature. Like when I saw this crumbling hotel in the Azores. At the time I visited it in mid-2017, it was completely vacant and empty, though last I heard it had been purchased for redevelopment.
@ Katamount:
One summer, long ago, I modelled for an artist who liked to regale me with tales of (among other things) his student days in 1960s Paris, which were not as wild as he could have wished. He described himself as having muttered those exact words on several occasions.
I’d forgotten Delta State till you brought it up! I stumbled across it a few times, but never managed to watch it with enough consistency to follow the story arc.
“Genetically deserve” is such a strange phrase, but it perfectly encapsulates these assholes’ complete lack of accountability and total victim complexes.
“We’re not getting what we don’t deserve” is one of the strangest complaints I can imagine.
@Robert:
At times like this, I like to remember what a former boss said: “we’ve come a long way from where we are now”. Really makes you think.
@Moggie:
It mostly makes me think, “Was this person listening to what they just said?”
@Jenora Feuer – With a sufficiently cynical meta/post-modern outlook (angry lobsterman noises) the phrase makes perfect sense.
Of course it’s no guarantee that it was the intended meaning.