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Incels love to call others “cucks,” but some of them are now claiming the label for themselves

By David Futrelle

If there’s one thing that most incels agree on, it’s that however degraded they think they are, at least they’re better off than cucks. And they mean this both literally and not-so-literally. While they disapprove of men who fit the dictionary definition of “cuckold” — that is, “a man whose wife is unfaithful” — their own mental dictionary has a rather more expansive view of the word.

As incels see it, anyone who defends women or challenges incels’ misogyny is a “cuck.” So are those who date or marry women whom incels see as undesirable. Sometimes they extend the insult to take in every man who has ever has sex with a woman who isn’t a virgin, and who has therefore (according to incel logic) been “cucked” by every other man she slept with before him. In this way, incels turn their own “involuntary” celibacy into a badge of honor: Incel > cuck.

But not all incels agree. In a post last fall, a prolific commenter on the Incels.co forums hit his compatriots with a new “black pill,” declaring incels themselves the ultimate cucks.

“Let’s face it,” SlayerSlayer began.

Involuntary celibate no longer means what it meant to mean. Depending on who wields the word, it can either mean any straight white male that doesn’t shit rainbows out of their asshole, or it could mean a subhuman ethnic with acne.

I generally only use the term for people who actually call themselves incels, but I guess that’s just me.

But what is true about depressed men who are completely fucked in life romantically, is that they are cucked, and they did not intend for that to happen.

It’s more accurate to call ourselves involuntary cucks. Everyone is cucking us. Soys, chads, that purple haired dyke . . . all these people you despise are the chosen bulls, and you are the one chosen by women to sit in the other room, and listen to these parties fornicate in ways YOU never will genetically deserve. They are getting laid, and you aren’t. You did not intend for such a situation to occur, but you’re forced to witness it.

You’re not being forced to witness it, dude. You’re not bound and gagged and forced to watch from a closet. You don’t have to watch porn. You ca put in headphones if you happen to hear someone down the hall in the dorm having sex.

Even when you aren’t witnessing it, you’re on your nofap, you’re in therapy, you’re putting in all the effort you can to leave it behind. But you cannot escape the cuckholdry. Ultimately, it’s all you think about. You cannot escape the thought, the obsession, the imagination on the periphery: THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS HAVING SEX, AND YOU AREN’T.

CUCK

By this logic anyone who isn’t having sex right this minute is being cucked by someone, somewhere.

And if we extend this logic only a little bit, we can redefine the word “cuck” to include virtually anything we’re being excluded from or overtaken in. The person at the next table in the restaurant gets served before you? You’re being food cucked. Someone passes you on the highway? You’re being car cucked. Someone is petting a dog and you’re not? You’re being pet cucked. Everyone is being cucked.

To be fair, most of the incels who responded to SlayerSlayer’s post dismissed it as “low IQ” and wrong. But one commenter decided to do SlayerSlayer one better.

“As long as you’re paying taxes you are supporting women against your own interests,” wrote EyesAreSoCold. “He’s right that we are involuntary cucks.”

Of all the misogynists I track, Incels probably the most inventive at coming up with new, if entirely bogus, ways to depress themselves.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

This isn’t really a new argument. Someone lose posited a very similar argument in 2017.

Shame on SlayerSlayer for stealing the name of one of my favorite bands.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

Is it weird that the picture of the Spidermans made me think “No, U” “No, me“?

Viscaria
Viscaria
1 year ago

It’s more accurate to call ourselves involuntary cucks. Everyone is cucking us. Soys, chads, that purple haired dyke . . . all these people you despise are the chosen bulls, and you are the one chosen by women to sit in the other room, and listen to these parties fornicate in ways YOU never will genetically deserve. They are getting laid, and you aren’t. You did not intend for such a situation to occur, but you’re forced to witness it.

So we are just reading this guy’s erotica, right? Like, that is what this is, yes?

numerobis
numerobis
1 year ago

I “like” how he is just casually dropping a smelly white supremacy right on the floor there with the “straight while male” versus the “subhuman ethnic”.

It does make me wonder if he’s a “subhuman ethnic” who’s managed to con himself into hating himself over that too.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@numerobis

It does make me wonder if he’s a “subhuman ethnic” who’s managed to con himself into hating himself over that too.

Incels seem inexhaustible at finding new ways to hate themselves.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Jesus, god himself would have to come down and physically change these assholes personality for them to be anything less then pathetic at this point.

Unicorn Rider
Unicorn Rider
1 year ago

Ultimately, it’s all you think about. You cannot escape the thought, the obsession, the imagination on the periphery: THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS HAVING SEX, AND YOU AREN’T.

This is probably the best summary of incel mentality I’ve ever read. Clearly this person is capable of some amount of self reflection. Yet he completely fails to understand that it’s this mentality that is the problem.

Also, I second numerobis’ interpretation that this person himself is what he calls a “subhuman ethnic”. To me what he seems to be saying is that some people calling themselves incels are much worse off than others, sort of an incel version of the “oppression Olympics”

FlyByKiwi
FlyByKiwi
1 year ago

I am being pet cucked right now and I’m not impressed. I was patting a cat and its owner (my neighbour) came out and picked her up to take her home and I had to watch as I was pet cucked, right in front of me! I bet she’s patting her cat RIGHT NOW! Since it was a cat it also looked smug, cos it’s a cat. This is the clearest explanation i’ve seen of the outer limits of the ‘logic’ of cuck(h)oldry so thanks David.

The only problem with this post is that now every time a car overtakes me or someone jumps a queue, I may end up laughing hysterically (deliberate word choice there) and be unable to explain myself.

An Autistic Giraffe
An Autistic Giraffe
1 year ago

If your significant other doesn’t cheat on you, does that mean you are being Cuck Cucked?

PickleFields
PickleFields
1 year ago

Hello, I’m a woman who pays taxes. Does this mean I’m being “money cucked” by everyone who is too poor to pay taxes?

I regularly get pet cucked because my cats would rather be petted by other members of my family who sit in the living room more often.

And let’s not forget being medcucked by everyone who is in line in front of me at the pharmacy.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

I don’t know whether incels are cucked or uncucked or cucked in all ways all the time. But I do know that these guys never, ever shut up about how they are being wronged. What ever happened to the strong, silent type.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

Make sense from my understanding of them. They are trying to find all possible way to rile themselves up a frenzy.

I think they aren’t all primed grenades yet, but they all do their darnedest efforts to make themselves into primed grenades.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
1 year ago

Cuck, cuckety cuck-cuck.

Whenever the word ‘cuck’ comes up, this is my first mental image:
https://youtu.be/lxyGKgTKYUM?t=254

The entire video is gold, btw.

I kinda want a WHTM/Jimquisition crossover.

Zemyla
Zemyla
1 year ago

I read this guy’s drivel when I could have been doing literally anything else. He has just time cucked me.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Pickle Fields

Hello, I’m a woman who pays taxes. Does this mean I’m being “money cucked” by everyone who is too poor to pay taxes?

I think they call that being “wagecucked.”

BradMoonRising
BradMoonRising
1 year ago

Some people just enjoy being unhappy. That’s the best sense I can make of it.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

So any time Person 1 gets something desirable that Person 2 doesn’t have, then Person 2 is a cuck? But that happens to literally every single person in the world, including teraChads. I just ate an epic blueberry muffin that Brad Pitt will only ever be able to dream about.

If everybody’s a cuck, then nobody’s a cuck. The entitlement wafting off these posts is ridiculous.

Katamount
1 year ago

Man, I miss when cuckoldry referred exclusively to adulterous affairs. The definitional drift of this word is freakin’ ridiculous.

Ultimately, it’s all you think about. You cannot escape the thought, the obsession, the imagination on the periphery: THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS HAVING SEX, AND YOU AREN’T.

This is probably the best summary of incel mentality I’ve ever read. Clearly this person is capable of some amount of self reflection. Yet he completely fails to understand that it’s this mentality that is the problem.

Precisely. When I was in the deepest recesses of depression back when I was in university, this is what my focus was. Everyone is getting laid except me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENnAa7rqtBM

Then after some therapy and antidepressants, I realized not only is that not true, but after having sex for the first time, it was like “Huh, that was fun… still the same person though.”

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
1 year ago

The only problem with this post is that now every time a car overtakes me or someone jumps a queue, I may end up laughing hysterically (deliberate word choice there) and be unable to explain myself.

I absolutely abhor getting queue-cucked. Especially by entitled Boomers who usually go as far as cutting you off whilst the cashier is asking you about payment methods, just to ask for 30 irrelevant questions.

And have you ever considered getting seat-cucked at a bus? The worst cuckholdry of all I tell you!

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Buttercup

I’ve been seeing this attitude in the comments section on the posts about the new Freeform show Motherland: Fort Salem. The premise is in an alternate America, witches made a deal with the early US government to defend this country in exchange for not getting hanged, burned, placed under very large rocks, and other death sentences. The result is a modern day America where women have greater representation in all layers of society, which I think sounds like a fascinating starting point for a weekly serial. The opening title sequence is rather lovely:

Other people share my fascination with the concept, speculating on how this would have affected past conflicts, social changes, etc. And then you have anonymous assholes like this:

If taken seriously, this very interesting idea– a matriarchal vs. a patriarchal society. Would we lose “innocent until proven guilty” for example? There is this idea that this is a factor behind the #metoo movement. That historically, because a man is physically powerful he could afford to assume another’s innocence before confrontation. But because a woman is less physically powerful, she may need to assume someone’s guilt and then have them proven innocent– as a protection mechanism for herself and her children. Also, it’s interesting that statistically a woman is more likely to “hit first” and also more likely to “hit back”, with lesbian couples having the highest degree of domestic violence. The difference is of course, that when men hit, the amount of damage incurred is substantial. Also the difference between male and female aggression is that men are physically aggressive and women engage in reputation destruction. All of this is ripe for picking…

But we’ll probably just get witches being soldiers, with woman assuming traditional patriarchal roles.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Diego Duarte

The worst cuckholdry of all I tell you!

No, the worst cuckoldry must be if you do everything at once so you’re not getting cucked, so you would be getting cuck-cucked.

@Victorious Parasol
That show sounds interesting. I don’t currently have the ability to watch it, but if that changes I will check it out.

But we’ll probably just get witches being soldiers, with woman assuming traditional patriarchal roles.

It’s telling that that commenter was unable to conceptualize anything outside the lens of patriarchy.

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Yes, I’ve noticed that’s often the case with commenters grumbling about a Ladyland premise. The assumptions they make say so much about how they see the world.

One thing the creator/showrunner and cast have mentioned is that this is a more sex-positive America, which my inner cynic says is an excuse to provide sexxxy girl-on-girl action, but in case my inner cynic is wrong, I think that’s an intriguing change to include.

Honestly, I’m beginning to wonder why we haven’t seen this kind of AU-US before.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@VP : the asshole you cite is terrifying. I have no idea how someone can write something that long without his mind snapping back to reality 😡

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

@Katamount – I was going to link that!!! XD Great minds, and all that.

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Ohlmann

There’s just so much wrong to unpack, isn’t there?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Victorious Parasol

Honestly, I’m beginning to wonder why we haven’t seen this kind of AU-US before.

IMO it’s a bit of a relief. Pretty much every other alternative history about the US is about either the Confederacy winning the Civil War or the US losing WWII, and I’m kind of tired of both narratives.

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Agreed! It’s good to see a fresh take on alternative history in TV. What I’m liking is that this is a comparatively small change that has had a profound effect. It’s not about losing a war that we won in RL. It’s about a social change and seeing how that grew over the decades.

Katamount
1 year ago

@Rhuu

No joke, I first saw that music video on this obscure Teletoon show called Station X, which was a very strange early 2000s Flash-animated cartoon about six Gen Yers who shared a flat (in Montreal I think) and every episode was about some young person issue (Sex, Fashion, Courage, Humiliation, etc.) affecting usually one or two of the group. The show was incredibly flat, but it tried to compensate with all sorts of weird editing gimmicks like quick zooms and split screens, but every episode also would do cut-away bits where they’d show a tangentially-related music video, film clip, or most often an “Angry Kid” short.

The “Sex” episode obviously featured this one. But I can also thank Station X for introducing me to a whole bunch of obscure CanCon, like Nova Scotia’s own Buck 65.

Just on the topic of obscure Canadian cartoons, there was another one I was thinking about the other day. Being a big BoJack Horseman fan, I wanted to watch the new show Raphael Bob-Waksberg had created for Amazon Prime called Undone. I ended up watching the first three episodes before realizing that it felt like a flashier version of a show called Delta State. Another Montreal-based cartoon, Delta State also used rotoscoped animation, and similarly focused on amnesiacs and generalized mindfuckery. The key difference was that Delta State had likeable protagonists and an enduring mystery that kept me interested, whereas with Undone, everyone seemed to behave like they weren’t quite human. The constant complaining on the part of the protagonist didn’t help.

*sigh* If there’s one thing I missed about TV, it was discovering something new and interesting just in the process of channel surfing.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Katamount

Being a big BoJack Horseman fan, I wanted to watch the new show Raphael Bob-Waksberg had created for Amazon Prime called Undone. I ended up watching the first three episodes before realizing that it felt like a flashier version of a show called Delta State.

I was considering watching Undone because I also enjoyed BoJack Horseman a lot (and am still sad it‘s ending). I haven’t seen Delta State, but from your description it sounds like Undone isn’t worth my time so I probably won’t watch it.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
1 year ago

@FlyByKiwi: I’m being pet-cucked, too! What a coincidence!

My gray and white cat, not the cat in my avatar, prefers my spouse to me! Even though, I brought her into the house, and I’m the one who feeds her. How dare she!

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

Personally, one alternate history I’d love to read/watch would be one where North America wasn’t successfully colonized. I think it would be hard to pull off well, admittedly. I wouldn’t trust a white dude to write it, that’s for sure. But it would be great to see the impact of having all the different nations on a more even footing for the last several hundred years.

vaiyt
vaiyt
1 year ago

I can’t stop being angry at all the fun other people are having, and it’s all their fault!!!

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Catalpa

Personally, one alternate history I’d love to read/watch would be one where North America wasn’t successfully colonized.

I’d find that interesting as well. I read something in a similar vein a while ago, a short story about if Africans had colonized Europe and it was interesting if a bit too short.

Pink Haired Old Lady
Pink Haired Old Lady
1 year ago

Steven Barnes wrote a pair of novels where history changes when Alexander the Great doesn’t die young. The main changes are a middle-eastern/African dominance, with Europe a barbarian backwater. Lion’s Blood and Zulu Heart Musician Alexander James Adams, under his name at the time Heather Alexander, wrote music to accompany the first book, and some those lyrics are used in the novel. Barnes includes a redhead woman fiddler in both the beginning and end of the book in tribute to him. The album is Inshallah

Alexander transitioned a number of years ago, but is keeping the copyright for the music he did as Heather Alexander under that name. I highly recommend both the books and all of Alexander’s music.

Katamount
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Undone isn’t worth my time so I probably won’t watch it.

Well, I did describe it in the least charitable way. To be fair to it, it’s obvious that the protagonist is suffering from some pretty severe depression, and I think what Raphael is going for is a meditation on mental illness and family dynamics, but none of the interactions between the main character and anyone around her feels natural. Her interactions with her boyfriend feel particularly forced, bordering on obnoxious.

*shrug* YMMV.

Oooh, another OT, but Toronto/Ontario Mammotheers might know about this place. I was watching a doc on the Battle of the Boyne and it brought to mind that there is a Boyne River in Ontario. Four of them in fact. But the Boyne River I knew had a Natural Science school where I had a couple overnight field trips in grade school. That place was awesome! Baseball, fireflies, candle-making, hiking, rock-climbing, even a cool aerial course!

So I looked it up.

It closed in 2003 and has been abandoned for the past 17 years.

The buildings are just… sitting there empty… rotting away. Overgrowing. Decaying.

https://ibuildit.ca/blog/abandoned-places-boyne-river-natural-science-school/

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It’s a shame. I had some really fun times there.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Katamount
I’ll take that into account.
Those abandoned buildings look like the setting from some post apocalyptic film, being mostly untouched and eerily still.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

Since you’re talking about books:

Anyone here read Margaret Atwood’s The Testaments? I recently re-read The Handmaid’s Tale, and then of course had to follow it up with the recent sequel. Without wanting to give away any spoilers, it was nice to read something which offered some hope. I’d almost forgotten what that feels like.

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
1 year ago

But we’ll probably just get witches being soldiers, with woman assuming traditional patriarchal roles.

The commentator seems to take the erroneous notion that somehow being a soldier is somehow something that is innately gendered and that only men can be soldiers. Which ignores that their have been women who served as soldiers and warriors thought out the entirety of human history.

Tomoe Gozen, Ching Shih, Civil War Veteran Cathy Williams, the 588th night bomber regiment “Night Witches”, Sniper Roza Shanina, and many women in past and contemporary history who sit across a wide gender spectrum who served in military’s and fought in wars.

Their is nothing inherently gendered about being a soldier, being a warrior, or in engaging in physical violence. Any Misogynist, male chauvinist punk who thinks otherwise: I invite them to be referred to these women who have trudged the field of battle.

Or even referring to the oft quoted archetype associated to women of the “mama bear” who would wreak your face if you try and hurt her kids, whatever her flaws; my own mother was one such mother.

And it’s one of many reasons among many why I know, that these women hating sexists are just straight up wrong about women and just about every bs notion they hold and espouse.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

I remember Delta State! I never got to finish the show, but I’ve described how the pattern on that one person’s shirt worked to people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbp0xAdFNFc

I really should track down the episodes of this, and watch it!

Paireon
Paireon
1 year ago

I have a terribly awful cold right now, I’m being health-cucked! And I’m pretty sure it comes from my mother, because I was around her, helping her being more comfortable during her own sickness! Health-cucked by my own mother! Truly this is the Greatest Betrayal(tm)!

That said, @Victorious Parasol – Thanks for the link, it does seem like it could be interesting… Although I’ll be a bit annoyed if witchcraft turns out to be gender-restricted. Some of us guys want cool supernatural powers too! (Also, quite a few of the accused in Salem were men, such as my personal fave Giles Corey – his stones were definitely bigger than the ones used to crush him, if you’ll pardon the metaphor).

Also, that poster you quoted seems woefully ignorant of non-Common Law-based legal codes; plenty of these have “guilty until proven innocent” tendencies, IIRC. Last I checked, it still didn’t do women in countries with those laws many favors.

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Paireon

Yes, I was wondering about Giles Corey, too – “More weight!” Did he exist at all in the Motherland universe?

Hope you feel better!

Paireon
Paireon
1 year ago

@Victorious Parasol – LOL, still some of the most badass last words ever uttered IMO.

And I should be good enough to go back to work tomorrow, thank you very much for your concern.

Oh, and as a Canuckistani I also remember Delta State – barely. Man, some days I really wish I could wind back the clock and redo my youth (and by some days I mean every day).

Luzbelitx
1 year ago

I’m definitely being pet cucked. My kitty most definitely visits other homes where she eats, sleeps, gets petted and walks like she owns the place.

It closed in 2003 and has been abandoned for the past 17 years

Wait, wait. You mean 2003 was seventeen years ago??

Now seriously, sorry to hear that. I’ve seen it happening to some places from my childhood. But then again I’ve always been a big fan of ruins and abandoned places (there’s a town in the middle of the Province of Buenos Aires famous for being abandoned since a big flood took over half the town. The water then receded, and the effect on the abandoned ruins is truly phantasmagorical)

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Luzbelitx

But then again I’ve always been a big fan of ruins and abandoned places

Me too. I especially like abandoned contemporary buildings that have been reclaimed by nature. Like when I saw this crumbling hotel in the Azores. At the time I visited it in mid-2017, it was completely vacant and empty, though last I heard it had been purchased for redevelopment.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
1 year ago

@ Katamount:

Precisely. When I was in the deepest recesses of depression back when I was in university, this is what my focus was. Everyone is getting laid except me.

One summer, long ago, I modelled for an artist who liked to regale me with tales of (among other things) his student days in 1960s Paris, which were not as wild as he could have wished. He described himself as having muttered those exact words on several occasions.

I’d forgotten Delta State till you brought it up! I stumbled across it a few times, but never managed to watch it with enough consistency to follow the story arc.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

…fornicate in ways YOU never will genetically deserve.

“Genetically deserve” is such a strange phrase, but it perfectly encapsulates these assholes’ complete lack of accountability and total victim complexes.

Robert
Robert
1 year ago

“We’re not getting what we don’t deserve” is one of the strangest complaints I can imagine.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Robert:

“We’re not getting what we don’t deserve” is one of the strangest complaints I can imagine.

At times like this, I like to remember what a former boss said: “we’ve come a long way from where we are now”. Really makes you think.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

@Moggie:
It mostly makes me think, “Was this person listening to what they just said?”

Paireon
Paireon
1 year ago

@Jenora Feuer – With a sufficiently cynical meta/post-modern outlook (angry lobsterman noises) the phrase makes perfect sense.

Of course it’s no guarantee that it was the intended meaning.