By David Futrelle
Lesbians around the world face a deep existential crisis today as it has been revealed that they do not, in fact, exist. At least according to some dudes on the internet. Specifically, some dudes on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, long a hotbed of Lesbian Denial.
In a recent discussion, a commenter by the name of NathanHollister explained that so-called “lesbians” are just straight women who can’t find quality men.
Lesbianism is not real. It’s just women who are sick and tired of unmasculine, wussy, spineless soyboy men. They will magically turn straight for a real sexy, charming man.
Basically, women who cannot find a top 20% man become lesbians. Women who can find a top 20% man but also are kinky sluts become “bi”, but mainly because they know a threesome with another girl would turn their man on.
Other commenters agreed with the “can’t get a man” theory.
“Lesbians only exist because Chad said ‘no’ and didn’t give them attention,” declared edgysecularist.
Still others feel that lesbianism is more about the hatred of men than the lack of them. According to bbhuntt:
Any ‘lesbian’ Is really a straight person who doesn’t like men and is willing to have intercourse with women rather than not have intercourse. …
Being a lesbian is the ultimate move of feminist and nothing more. It’s all a giant game
Sir_manalot suggested that it was also about status, as no one apparently has more status than women today.
[W]omen just fuck whoever they believe is highest on the social chain. Right now, women are being given a bunch of unearned power and so lesbianism is in.
Fortunately for men — or at least for the cis men who make up the overwhelming majority of MGTOWs — they have one great advantage over all these fake lesbians. And it can be found in their pants.
“You have a dick and they don’t,” wrote rejac218.
They will never know what a woman’s pussy really feels like from balls deep. You should laugh right at them.
But of course as MGTOWs they don’t spend any time at all fantasizing about said pussies. Nope! As SprinterLyfe reminded his fellow Own-Way-Goers:
Pussy is all women have to offer. By placing little or no value on pussy, we regain control of ourselves, finding legitimate freedom from feminized cultures bent on enslavement and domination of men by women.
And there’s no greater proof of the freedom these men have from women than their tendency to discuss these completely unimportant-to-them women angrily on the internet all day every day while talking about how cool their dicks are. That’s what male freedom looks like!
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@Naglfar
He said that people without gender disphoria arent really trans. That theyre just pretending because they wanna feel special.
He also thinks transitioning should never be a reccomended treatment for disphoria because it is destructive both mentally and phisycally. And that the only reason it gets reccomended is because of political pressure on the medical community.
But what he said in that pastebin did not actually prove his claims.
Debating him was quite frustrating.
@Makroth
This is a common argument from the right and from truscum/transmeds and is surprisingly hard to dissuade people of because of a lack of research on this specifically.
The data would show otherwise. The overwhelming majority of people who transition say they are better off mentally post transition. And the leading cause of detransition is not no longer being trans* but transphobia making it difficult to live as such.
He sounds like a Ben Shapiro fans. Both of those arguments are quite reminiscent of Shapiro, as is the insistence on an unmoderated debate.
I don’t really have any good suggestions, sorry.
Yeah. All he has in support of its “destructiveness” is just one study. That’s it. And i think he’s confusing correlation with causation.
Knowing when to walk away from internet debates is important. I recently had to do so in a Warcraft discussion dealing with a “Sylvanas Windrunner did nothing wrong” jackass.
@Surplus
You can read what can happen when a tab goes into background here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Page_Visibility_API
Also, I’m just comparing your description with my experiences. I could be interpreting what you wrote wrong, of course.
It wasn’t my intention to sound like an authority, but I admit, conspiracy theories make me uncomfortable, so I was invested in promoting what I found to be a much more likely and much more mundane explanation.
This popped up on my LinkedIn. It’s not really setting a precedent or anything; it was a settlement. But thought people here might find interesting. Little victories and all that.
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/ava-moore-v-debenhams-transgender-woman-discrimination/
@Beyond Ocean:
This doesn’t sound like the browser suspends (or just slows) page loading when a tab is backgrounded. Instead it sounds like exactly what I suspected: there exists an API that the author of a page script (e.g. Zuckerberg) could use to detect when a tab has been backgrounded, with that API having legitimate purposes, but having the potential also for misuse. If there is also an API that a loading page can use to pause or delay its own further loading, then a site operator could use the two in combination to do what FB appears to have done recently.
@all:
If it is not too much trouble, I’d appreciate suggestions for something. Specifically, I’m looking for exemplars of certain positive traits, e.g. courage, ingenuity, and morality, who may be either real historical or contemporary figures of sufficient name recognition, fictional ones of sufficient name recognition, or debatable as to which of those two they are (e.g. Moses, Jesus, King Arthur, Helen of Troy, and other figures from religious and non-religious mythology regarding whom historians continue to argue and whose tombs remain un-located in particular).
The WHTM connection is: it is very easy to find a wide assortment of male, and particularly white male, such exemplars, but it would be nice to have a set more diverse and representative of humanity as a whole. There are some obvious non-white-male candidates in some cases; for courage, a clearly excellent choice would seem to be Rosa Parks. More difficult is to come up with any trans or nonbinary ones …
So, since the people here tend to be knowledgeable about such matters, I thought I’d see if anyone here might volunteer suggestions for female, queer, of-color, or etc. exemplars of various positive traits or virtues. Ideas for more such traits themselves are welcome too, but I’ve come up with a number of them: reason, love, peace, curiosity, joy, creativity, protection, citizenship/civic-mindedness, forgiveness, morality, justice …
@Surplus
I’m not going to argue further. But to be accurate, the page I linked does describe builtin browser behaviours:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Page_Visibility_API#Policies_in_place_to_aid_background_page_performance
Surplus,
How about Public Universal Friend for a non-binary person.
Sure, they had some views on sex that would be considered problematic today, but they were also an abolitionist and overall seems like a good person.
@ surplus
Are the following any use to you?
Boudicca
Edith Garrud
Mary Seacole
Cleopatra – Even when her enemies were throwing all sorts of defamatory slurs at her they still conceded she was smart as a whip.
Violette Szabo
Æthelflæd
@Surplus
Aspasia
Katherine Johnson (African-American woman, worked for NASA)
Chevalier d’Eon (Thought to be intersex but unclear, was a soldier and spy)
Miep Gies (Austrian woman, known for sheltering Anne Frank)
@Alan
(from the article)
I am SO glad that’s not a thing here!
@ Jes
That’s one of the things I found interesting in the article. I can’t think of any permissible reason to ask for someone’s birth certificate in a job interview. That might go to the explanation of why they settled.
Well, there is that. What I meant though is that there is no record here. When I got my gender marker changed, it’s the original that got changed. My birth certificate says ‘F’, and as far as anyone looking at it is concerned I was born a natal female. This ‘gender history’ stuff is very disturbing. Like very disturbing.
@Jesalin
It sure is. It sounds like it was put there only for discrimination purposes, as there are no valid reasons I can think of that a birth certificate should show AAB gender if that varies from identity.
@ Jes
That’s also the case here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwin_%26_I_v_United_Kingdom
And there are special departments at the relevant government agencies like the tax office to ensure confidentiality with ‘history’ stuff.
So it’s a bit strange. Of course there’s no obligation to get any of your paperwork corrected. But as mentioned, I can’t see any reason, or right, for a potential employer to ask for a birth certificate anyway.
Ah well, they’ve said they’ll ask for advice on how to ensure no future fuck ups. So some good come out of it I guess; although they should have known in the first place. And it’s on the website for HR people; so it’s sending a broader message.
This made sense to me. If there’s consent it’s healthcare, if there is no consent it’s mutilation.
Health Care vs. Mutilation.
Surplus,
There used to be a webcomic named “Rejected Princesses”. If you can find it on Google, it’s a great resource on historically inspiring or interesting women (sometimes fictional, often WOC).
It’s a bad oversimplication but it’s actually based on a study by the university of Nicosia: lesbianism developed to excite men.
But I supsect that David is not used to check actual academic papers (and nor even actual lesbians)…
PS: Nicosia happen to be in Cyprus – Cyprus is in Eastern Mediterranean, south of Turkey – I specify given the average mental level here.
@Eric Lauder
[more specific citation needed, maybe a link to such a paper]
We have quite a few lesbian commenters. I’m bi, so I can’t really comment on this, but I’m sure they can.
Oh, but thank you for the link to your blog. Although I don’t read Italian, I’m sure we can use Google Translate and it gives us much more material to mock here.
We are dealt a grievous blow! How will we ever recover?
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/lesbian-relationships-men-turn-on-same-sex-female-attraction-menelaos-apostolou-cyprus-university-a7766606.html
Bad troll is just fucking pathetically bad.
@Jesalin
Wait, so their “study” consisted of asking a bunch of straight guys if they found lesbians hot, then declaring that means lesbians exist to cater to straight men? I mean, I didn’t expect that our MGTOW troll was going to cite any good research (because none exists to support his position) but this is something else.
I knew it rang a bell, I read that article shortly after it came out. I love these own goals the miggies keep kicking.
@ Eric Lauder