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Bad news, lesbians: You aren’t real, according to some dudes on the internet

That’s what you think, lady!

By David Futrelle

Lesbians around the world face a deep existential crisis today as it has been revealed that they do not, in fact, exist. At least according to some dudes on the internet. Specifically, some dudes on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, long a hotbed of Lesbian Denial.

In a recent discussion, a commenter by the name of NathanHollister explained that so-called “lesbians” are just straight women who can’t find quality men.

Lesbianism is not real. It’s just women who are sick and tired of unmasculine, wussy, spineless soyboy men. They will magically turn straight for a real sexy, charming man.

Basically, women who cannot find a top 20% man become lesbians. Women who can find a top 20% man but also are kinky sluts become “bi”, but mainly because they know a threesome with another girl would turn their man on.

Other commenters agreed with the “can’t get a man” theory.

“Lesbians only exist because Chad said ‘no’ and didn’t give them attention,” declared edgysecularist.

Still others feel that lesbianism is more about the hatred of men than the lack of them. According to bbhuntt:

Any ‘lesbian’ Is really a straight person who doesn’t like men and is willing to have intercourse with women rather than not have intercourse. …

Being a lesbian is the ultimate move of feminist and nothing more. It’s all a giant game

Sir_manalot suggested that it was also about status, as no one apparently has more status than women today.

[W]omen just fuck whoever they believe is highest on the social chain. Right now, women are being given a bunch of unearned power and so lesbianism is in.

Fortunately for men — or at least for the cis men who make up the overwhelming majority of MGTOWs — they have one great advantage over all these fake lesbians. And it can be found in their pants.

“You have a dick and they don’t,” wrote rejac218.

They will never know what a woman’s pussy really feels like from balls deep. You should laugh right at them.

But of course as MGTOWs they don’t spend any time at all fantasizing about said pussies. Nope! As SprinterLyfe reminded his fellow Own-Way-Goers:

Pussy is all women have to offer. By placing little or no value on pussy, we regain control of ourselves, finding legitimate freedom from feminized cultures bent on enslavement and domination of men by women.

And there’s no greater proof of the freedom these men have from women than their tendency to discuss these completely unimportant-to-them women angrily on the internet all day every day while talking about how cool their dicks are. That’s what male freedom looks like!

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Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
10 months ago

@Eric – you know this isn’t just a fun little argument for some of the posters on here, right? You grasp that there are consequences to saying “the purpose of lesbians is so that men will rape them and get them pregnant”, right?

You claimed we weren’t intelligent, in your first post. I try really hard not to resort to such barbs, because of a lot of reasons.

So i’m going to ask you to take of your smartie-pants smart pants, and put on your thinking cap, and really and truly think.

Just WHY are so many of us horrified by the results of a study that says that the evolutionary purpose of lesbianism (which would mean lesbians, as in real live people) is to tittilalate a man so much that he impregnates (and by this we all correctly read rape, because they weren’t into the man at all) them.

What sort of real world beliefs could this reinforce? What are the consequences?

Be honest.

Because your “this is all in fun lolololol” is reonforcing ideas that let men rape women.

Eric Lauder
10 months ago

@Lainy

Because your disgusting and I intend to remind you that every time you try to defined the notion that lesbianism is to help women get pregnant for some reason.

In other words you’re trying to use sex as a mean to shut up men approving stuides you don’t like.

Then one wonder why I used the word “pathetic”…

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Eric

In the bonobos there’s a similar phenomenon, much more prononuced: heterosexual female bonobos are unlikely to have an offspring and even to survive. They have to be bisexual to be accepted by the female group that will protect and support them.
Is this theory immoral, too?

Humans. Are. Humans. Not. Bonobos. We are not the same.

Why do you keep thinking about fucking / not fucking with me?

I didn’t go to your blog to be an asshole, you came here.

There aren’t sides: there’s me highlighting a theory partially backing the moron (who’s misrepresenting it) and some people getting offensed by the existence of an academic study.

Correction: there are 2 sides. There’s you defending a study criticized by other academics, and there’s us pointing out the flaws. I know which one you’re on.

@WWTH

Just like how I find men in sweaters attractive doesn’t mean that sweaters were made to attract me. Correlation does not equal causation.

This. Not everything exists to cater to the people who like it.

@Rhuu

Because your “this is all in fun lolololol” is reonforcing ideas that let men rape women.

I think for Eric here that’s a feature, not a bug. A horrifying feature.

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

@eric

Rape isn’t irrelevant here. There are rape victims here myself included and we have to carry that on our bodies and in our hearts for the rest of our lives like a brand.

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

Eric Eric Eric i can only use it to a means to shut you up if you want to have sex with me. Your colors are showing Eric and the answers is still no. I’m a married woman after all

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
10 months ago

*take OFF your smartie-smart smart pants, whoops missed a letter.

Eric Lauder
10 months ago

@Rhuu

You claimed we weren’t intelligent

No, I referenced to “the average level here”.

Just WHY are so many of us horrified by the results of a study that says that the evolutionary purpose of lesbianism (which would mean lesbians, as in real live people) is to tittilalate a man so much that he impregnates (and by this we all correctly read rape, because they weren’t into the man at all) them.

The study is valid, but “the evolutionary purpose of lesbianism” doesn’t equate to “the purpose of the lives of actual lesbians”.

What sort of real world beliefs could this reinforce? What are the consequences?

This is an interesting question.

It could reinforce the idea that lesbians do not actually exist – as it actually did with the moron.

Or it could reinforce the idea that homosexuality is part of natural evolution and it evolved for the benefit of humankind: indeed more offspring did mean humankid spreading more, and faster. That was very important in the past.

It depends by the intentions of those who handle the theory.

Eric Lauder
10 months ago

@Lainy

Eric Eric Eric i can only use it to a means to shut you up if you want to have sex with me.

Exactly.

Hence why the “pathetic”.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Eric
Or it could reinforce the idea that lesbians evolved to cause men to rape them. That seems to be the implication you and your manosphere buddies are pushing. Rape is a horror for anyone of any gender or sexual orientation. Don’t be that rape apologist.

O/T: This is the fastest growing thread I’ve seen in quite a while. Sadly, it’s not because of a great intelligent conversation but because of an argument with a troll.

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

@eric

Man you get super bitter when a woman tells you no and that your disgusting don’t you? I’m not surprise you reek of fragile ego lol

Allandrel
Allandrel
10 months ago

Extrapolating from our troll here:

If men find a trait arousing, that is THE reason that it evolved, and so is its Purpose.

Since I, a cis man, find women with large, prominent noses very attractive, these noses clearly evolved to make women more desirable as mates and increase their rate of reproduction. SCIENCE!

I’m not going to touch the rape apologetics with a ten-foot pole, though.

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

@Eric

I know you don’t care but you are hurting real rape victims here. Myself included. I know you probably get off on that but if you keep it up your not going to be allowed back.

Eric Lauder
10 months ago

@Lainy

No, I actually like it very much when a female suddenly brings sex on the table as an “argument” to “convince” me.

Always, in all the circumstances, because I always win: either I accept the transaction because I think it’s valid, or I reject her and she look pathetic, as I did with you.

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

@eric

I never offered sex, I told you that you were disgusting. your the one taking no as an offer for sex which just makes you look like a rapist.

Eric Lauder
10 months ago

@Allandrel

If men find a trait arousing, that is THE reason that it evolved, and so is its Purpose.

No, “the purpose” is a strawman of your.

The actual version is:

If men find a trait arousing, that is THE reason that it evolved

Exactly.
Just like the boobs in women (shaped by men’s choices), and the big penis in men (shaped by women’s choices).

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

I’m tapping out guys, Eric is sliding into the triggering portion of the conversation for me by trying to tell me my no doesn’t actually mean no and that I want to have sex with him so I’m gonna go before it gets there. Y’all keep messing with him, please do, You guys know by now. My ptsd is hell and I don’t want to get into it right now.

Eric Lauder
10 months ago

@Lainy

I’m actually trying to sleep but I can’t since I drank too much coffee. I have to work tomorrow. It’s a minor problem but still a problem.

IMHO it’s highly unlikely that people who experienced actual sexual trauma would try to use sex as a mean to convince strangers to change their ideas: such kind of manipulative behavior is hardly compatible with persons who experienced real sexual trauma.

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

@Eric

okay you can fuck yourself to hell and back you absolute human garbage.

Eric Lauder
10 months ago

@Lainy

I never offered sex, I told you that you were disgusting.

Without being sexually approached by me….

your the one taking no as an offer for sex which just makes you look like a rapist.

…a rapist answering: “no thanks, I’m not in the mood”: that’s what your former rapist did, too?
It’s a question, not an affirmation. I’m curious.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
10 months ago

@Lainy

Yeah, the Rapist seems to be taking particular delight in deliberately misrepresenting everything you say.

It’s not gone unnoticed.

Given his deliberate harassment of Lainy and his frankly obvious attempt to get banned – combined with his inability to back up any of his dumbshittery – I’m going to formally ask David to give Rapist the boot.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Eric
She never tried to use sex to persuade you of anything. You’re projecting all of this and it’s causing trouble. You’re doing real harm, which I’m sure was your goal. Fuck off.

@Lainy
I sent David an email, so hopefully this situation will be rectified soon. I’m sorry you’re having to relive it all and I hope you feel better soon.

@Gaebolga
I just sent an email, hopefully David sees it soon.

Eric Lauder
10 months ago

@Gaebolga

Problem being that the whole page and comments had already been saved in Webarchive.

So we have a man answering “no, thanks. I’m not in the mood” being accused to be a rapist for saying “I’m not in the mood”.

And it can’t be erased.

NOW, that’s funny, isn’t it? 😀

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

@eric

He bite a chunk of flesh out of thigh. He held me down by my hair. I was a teenager and a virgin. I didn’t know I could bleed so much from that area when I wasn’t on my period. But that was nothing compare to the anal bleeding. You want to know what he said? you really want to know? he said you make do this to you. And that god is not here to hear my cries. That no one was ever gonna want me now. I hear that voice when I close my eyes at night. I see the demon that was in his eyes, you don’t know that demon do you Eric? It’s not a supernatural thing, it’s a man Just a man that is filled with so much rage he wants to kill you from the inside you. He takes something from you that you can’t get back and leaves you branded. You are a low human being. And you are just bad as him in my eyes because you like to excuse it. And that’s why I fight against people you like, I fight with everything I have for anyone I can. If it takes every day of the rest of my life I will fight.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

IMHO it’s highly unlikely that people who experienced actual sexual trauma would try to use sex as a mean to convince strangers to change their ideas: such kind of manipulative behavior is hardly compatible with persons who experienced real sexual trauma.

How could one sentence contain so much wrong? It’s almost impressive.

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

They always take the cheap shots

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
10 months ago

@Rapist

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Oh noes! This thread has been saved, so we David can’t delete it, like he’s done to exactly zero threads in the history of this blog!

You are one monumentally stupid dumbfuck.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 months ago

So anyways lesbians are great and deserve respect.

And @Lainy, I’m not sure if you will ever come back to this thread, but if you see this, I want you to know that you are also great and deserve respect.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
10 months ago

Thank you, David.

Paireon
Paireon
10 months ago

Huh. Another troll I missed. Oh well. I blame my cold.

Victorious Parasol
10 months ago

Thank you, David.

Lainy, I hope you’re doing okay and will check in when you feel up to it.

Paireon
Paireon
10 months ago

Oh shit I’d missed Lainy’s post. Fuck. This is exactly why I despise rapists and rape apologists more than anyone else save maybe genocide supporters/enablers/practitioners. I’m very imaginative, and your description of what happened to you is disturbingly similar to how I imagined violent rape by a stranger and its aftermath to be… Even though it was at least two decades and a half ago (was a teen back then), I remember that I did not sleep well that night.

Keep strong, Lainy. All my best.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Paireon

I despise rapists and rape apologists more than anyone else save maybe genocide supporters/enablers/practitioners.

They’re also often one and the same, with genocidal people also being down with sexual violence. Most genocides have involved lots of rape in addition to killing.

kupo
kupo
10 months ago

@WWTH

How could one sentence contain so much wrong? It’s almost impressive.

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Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
10 months ago

After thinking about it, i think i understand the difference between how i approached that study, and how eric approached it.

I looked at it and was horrified, because The Worst People would use it to justify corrective rape, because it was 75% of the way there already.

Eric looked at it and saw a neutral. It wasn’t good or bad, because it was Science. People could use the results in a good or bad way, but the study itself has no moral value attached to it.

Which is obviously wrong. A study like this isn’t SCIENCE! made into words, it’s shaped by people. From conception to getting the money to finding participants to crafting whatever ‘experiment’ they made, it was people making those decisions.

People who have opinions, and who’s opinions shape their world view, just the same as anyone’s.

The Scientist isn’t some impartial superhero doing Impartial Science, they are as human as the rest of us.

And we don’t need a PhD to be able to say “maybe trying to figure out if straight men/people think lesbians are preforming for them using a group comprised solely of straight people is… ridiculous???”

Have you SEEN mainstream ‘lesbian’ porn? It isn’t made for lesbians, i can tell you that, but straight men. How many straight men do you think get their ideas of what lesbians are like from that, because they don’t personally know any lesbians themselves?

It’s so obviously flawed that a child could tell you that, honestly.

Eric, if you’re still reading, you’re a bad sciencer for not thinking through implications. People like you are why people doing science courses need to take humanities as well. Because if they don’t (or don’t understand), we wind up with more of you.

And i don’t know how much longer our society can bear your bad ideas.

Dalillama
Dalillama
10 months ago

Eric looked at it and saw … Science.

That was his first mistake. That was at best what Feynman described as “cargo cult science”, in that it has the outward appearance of science being done, but the actual ‘study’ would never have passed muster among people doing genuine research.

Catalpa
Catalpa
10 months ago

It’s telling that Eric interpreted “you disgust me and I would never have sex with you” to be a statement that one can reply to with “no thanks, I’m not in the mood”, as if someone saying “no” is the same thing as a sexual overture. You know, like a rapist would think.

Also, Eric, if you’re still lurking here, Lainy isn’t the one who brought up sex. You’re the one who brought up sex, by saying “yeah I support GBT folks but not lesbians because lesbians refuse to have sex with me, I mean, uplift me” and Lainy responded with a “lesbians aren’t the only ones who refuse to have sex with you, I’m a bi woman and I wouldn’t touch you with a ten foot pole”

Lainy, I’m so sorry that this thread brought up bad memories for you.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
10 months ago

@Rhuu

Given the level of rank dishonesty in his communication, especially with regards to Lainy, I think the Rapist saw the study as an opportunity to troll some feminists and literally nothing more.

Especially since his demonstrated knowledge of science and the scientific method rank well below “ignorant.”

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
10 months ago

@Gaebolga – yeah, you’re probably right. I don’t understand the impulse, but you’re probably right.

Lainy
Lainy
10 months ago

He’s weak and small. If anything rape apologist if they aren’t actually rapist are more pathetic and worse then the actual rapist as they do not have the guts to commit the crime themselves so they make the world unsafe for all rape victims by clouding them in shame, triggering them and creating laws and doubt that keep them from getting justice. Rapist commit the act but rape apologist allow it to happen because they are to weak and spineless for anything else. That is all Eric is.

So I’m gonna put on one of my favorite black dress. My high heal boots and do my make up as I remember Eric is just a sad troll who’s angry that a bi woman told him no and called him out so he took the cheapest of shots. I’m going to look in the mirror and see my strength and beauty and let my husbands words of calling me things like moonlight and Aphrodite block out the demons of the past. I’m going to remind myself that I’m one of things trolls hate more then anything, an educated, young ,attractive , gay, woman in a crucifix. And I’m going to count this as a victory because Eric is baned so he won’t be back to spread his hate and attack others. At least not in this space and that is a good day for me. Everytime a troll gets silenced here I count that as a win.

Victorious Parasol
10 months ago

@Lainy

A song for your power march.

Victorious Parasol
10 months ago

Argh, I don’t think the link worked. 😛

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