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Sunday Evening Bad Tweet Attack

The bad tweets are relentless!

By David Futrelle

I regret to inform you that the bad tweeters are at it again. Here, an assortment of very bad takes, from some familiar names and a few up-and-comers.

Our old friend fiend Stefan Molyneux is railing against women going to college and getting jobs instead of pumping out babies.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1211017476340899840
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1211346855193403392

He almost goes full “we hunted the mammoth to feed you” in this one:

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1211395318102839297

Meanwhile, Aaron “Captain Capitalism” Clarey lets us know why porn is so popular today.

This promising bad tweet newcomer has the solution to pretty much all (hetero) relationship problems: women being completely submissive to men.

This dude, by contrast, doesn’t really see a problem with women saying “no.” Because women’s “no’s” can be fixed, at least to his satisfaction, with more alcohol.

Over on “the left,” good old Aimee Terese continues her ongoing transformation into a generic alt-right troll.

https://twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1211333816142270464

Not that she has much further to go. I mean, she’s already at the stage where she’s quoting fucking Phillis Schlafly as a font of wisdom.

https://twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1211146810854526976

If this is Marxism, I’m a freaking jerboa.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

You know, one would think that anyone actually concerned about men’s issues would support paid family leave…

Regarding Aimee Terese, I’m not surprised she’s such a fan of Schlafly. Schlafly was a bit more “Kinder, Küche, Kirche,” but I can see where they’d have common ground. And pretending to be trans* or queer to troll is old hat in alt-right circles. Anna Khachiyan said something to that effect in an interview months ago. It’s the new variant of the attack helicopter joke, which apparently is the only joke the alt right knows.

VonRagnar
VonRagnar
9 months ago

Speaking of bad takes on Twitter… I did really bad thing and commented on some tankies post about how US and England were pretty much Fascist, and Soviet Union was only “pure” nation to stand against Fascism. Suffice to say, I regretted that.

As an added bonus, they tried to school me on Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, and how it didn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Except – as a Pole – it… kinda does, since they invade my freakin’ country

Also, daily reminder that Stalin was an imperialist bastard.

Specialffrog
Specialffrog
9 months ago

Just finished reading the Handmaid’s Tale sequel a few days ago. The dining hall in the Aunt’s residence is the Schafly Cafe.

Crip Dyke
9 months ago

@Specialffrog:

That’s a nice touch.

Snowberry
Snowberry
9 months ago

I’ve never had a twitter account. I honestly don’t think I’m missing much.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
9 months ago

There are lots of men with “useless degrees” and student debt, but somehow that doesn’t make them unmarriable?

He’s trying to scare women out of academia by presenting it as a stark either-or choice: “you can go to college, ladies, but men will run screaming from you and you’ll die alone and unloved”. Too bad the statistics don’t back him up. About 65% of people with bachelor’s degrees are married, compared to 50% of those with no education beyond high school.

It’s easy to see why he’s on this crusade, though. Educated women are less likely to put up with the sort of bullshit marital advice he’s peddling, and they also take up college admissions spots that might otherwise go to the entitled and the mediocre. As with everything white supremacists advocate for, from voter suppression to taking away health care and food stamps, it’s all about tilting the playing field for themselves.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Snowberry
I briefly had one. I guess I still do, but I’ve forgotten the password and haven’t tweeted or checked the timeline in years. I feel like if I still used Twitter, I’d probably keep falling down rabbit holes and have to look through old tweets of people I follow.

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Educated women are less likely to put up with the sort of bullshit marital advice he’s peddling

They’re also more likely to be feminists and to oppose his reactionary idiocy.

you can go to college, ladies, but men will run screaming from you and you’ll die alone and unloved

I’m not a man, but I’d imagine that most men are not instantly turned off by educated women the way Stefan claims that they are. At least, I’d hope not.

brian
brian
9 months ago

“unmarryable”
I always find it both incredibly annoying and satisfying when ol Stef presents evidence that despite being a self-proclaimed modem philosopher-king, he hasn’t mastered basic English.

Lainy
Lainy
9 months ago

I really want to know why these guys think one income can get you a house, support a dependent spouse and a babies. Maybe young people aren’t having children because we can barely afford to shelter and feed ourselves.

numerobis
numerobis
9 months ago

Buttercup: women being in university doesn’t take any spots away from men. More students means more profs, and thus more spots!

But that’s way too advanced logic for an MRA.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

Here’s another one from ol’ Molymeme, or Steppy the Vent Goblin* as we call him in my chat:

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He really doesn’t live in the same world as us; there’s just no logic at all to his posts.

*from his old habit of yelling through the vents at people being treated by his therapist wife

Amtep
Amtep
9 months ago

Can someone translate Aimee Terese’s tweet for me? I can’t figure out what she’s even trying to say.

In particular, when she says “ostensibly embodying”, who does she think was doing the ostending?

And were those quotes she included supposed to prove or contradict some position? If so, what?

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

@Amtep, please oh please don’t try to understand Aimee’s tweets, it’s very bad for you.

As always, as a fellow Australian, I apologise sincerely for her.

galanx
galanx
9 months ago

“useles degree”
The top five degrees for women in the U.S. are 1)Nursing 2)Psychology 3)Business 4)Biological Science 5) Accounting

Stefan is such a manly man, he’ll never need a nurse (he’d make an interesting psychological case), doesn’t need nothing impractical like business or accounting, and is so tough he doesn’t need to know anything about germs.
I’d check the employment level and financial compensation for those, too.

Simon
Simon
9 months ago

To create and maintain our civilization, men were forced to fight and die in countless wars.

Yeah, that’s some profoundly ahistorical bullshit right there.

rv97
rv97
9 months ago

We need to do more against sexist scum. Too many people are “redpilled”. I almost feel like “freedom” of religion is contributing to this, but without it in America, only fundamentalist Christianity will prevail, and evo psych BS could prevail if not religion.

I’m just stuck here almost shaking my fists. I live in a liberal town, but I don’t want to do anything since I live with parents who hold values that may be sympathetic to Stefan’s, and I’m feeling fucked up right now. I doubt I could make an impact in stopping more people from having these problematic beliefs, short of forcing them to not pursue certain religions or intellectual pathways. Social media activism for me is pretty much fruitless.

gijoel
gijoel
9 months ago

In my head I hear Captain Capitalism pronounced the same as Captain Caveman. This has lead to giggling fits on my part.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
9 months ago

Molyneux has a degree in history, which in his hands is completely useless, considering how bad he is at it.

It’s pretty rich for someone like him to invoke the millions of soldiers who died in wars, and then wonder what it was all for. Yeah, Steffy, I’ve been wondering that too, considering you and your ilk support fascist dictators and are working diligently to bring back Nazis. Tell us, what WAS the point of WWII?

@numerobis: No! It’s a zero sum game! Everything given to women is something taken away from men! (sarcasm, obviously, but they really believe that)

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Lainy

I really want to know why these guys think one income can get you a house, support a dependent spouse and a babies.

All the boomers seem to think this. Maybe it was true in the 1950s, but we don’t live in the 1950s any more, and the economic conditions that existed then were an isolated phenomenon.

@Amtep
Maybe it’s bad for us, but here’s my best shot at translating the Terese tweets:

Thinking of putting queer, they/them in my bio, as an excuse to conduct myself in a gratuitously cruel, unjustified, totally disgusting manner yet somehow framing myself as the injured party, just because I can, that’s how this works, yeah?

Translation: If I, a white cishet woman, lie about being LGBTQIPA+ then maybe I can say bigoted things because I’ll be playing the victim.

Note: This is not, in fact, how this works.

Phyllis Schlafly is seen as a comical, somewhat hypocritical figure on the left. A powerful politically active woman, who toured the country speaking & writing on perils of feminism yet ostensibly embodying the very values it espouses.

Anyway lol she said this in 2003. 🤔

Translation: Everyone says Phyllis Schlafly was a hypocrite because she said women should remain in the home but she was very politically active. Therefore, let’s read and agree with her quotes.
She is “ostensibly embodying” feminism by being a very vocal public figure speaking out in opposition to feminism. I know, it doesn’t make much sense.

Note: Phyllis Schlafly was a hypocrite, and an awful person. It’s mostly her doing that the United States didn’t ratify the Equal Rights Amendment in the 1970s. Aimee is praising her for being an antifeminist.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
9 months ago

“Men fought all the wars to build civilization” is something you’d come up with if you first concluded that civilization was built on men’s sacrifices, and then tried identify what exactly men have sacrificed that women haven’t.

(Due to a quirk of history, Americans have developed this understandable stereotype that only soldiers’ lives are ruined in wars.)

Seraph4377
Seraph4377
9 months ago

And who did the men fight AGAINST in those countless wars, Stefan? What’s that you say? Other men? Belligerent, greedy men, of whom The Men of The West were some of the worst? You don’t say!

moregeekthan
moregeekthan
9 months ago

Oh, Aimee, you are already cruel, unjustified, and disgusting. The power to be a shitty person was with you all along. Of course, you also have the power to stop being a shitty person, but you continue to not exercise it.

Katamount
9 months ago

It’s telling that Molyneux is not only willing to stand on the graves of war dead merely to justify women remaining out of the workforce (and therefore not contributing to the war effort), but that he conflates destructive conflict with building civilization. Cripes, how many historic works of art and architecture have been lost to warfare over the centuries? Hell, logging onto Windows 10 this morning had a picture of Corfe Castle, which was destroyed by the Parliamentarians during the English Civil War after having stood since Norman times.

War is destructive by its very definition.

As for Aimee Terese… I think (and I could be wrong here) she’s trying to tap into the latent “lol Tumblrinas” resentment. She’s about half a decade late on that score, but she’s probably thinks she’s appealing to those who have been taken to task (rightly or wrongly) by Twitter mobs who have that commonality.

It’s telling that she does it in such a coy way that leaves it open for reactionaries to latch on to rather than just saying what she means outright. Actually, that’s telling with a lot of these vaguely reactionary folk.

@Naglfar

It’s the new variant of the attack helicopter joke, which apparently is the only joke the alt right knows.

THIS. Seriously, this is the only joke they have, which is itself merely a variant of “snowflake.” It’s “oh, look at you, you think you’re special.

Wanna hear something freaky? During my Christmas get-together with the fam, mom got it in her head to drag up old VHS tapes we had recorded when my brother and I were kids. One had an episode of Royal Canadian Air Farce where John Morgan claimed “being special is the thing everyone wants to be in the 90s!” John Morgan famously channeled curmudgeons on the show very well, but that’s the reactionary line going back decades now! It’s the same freakin’ joke.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Katamount

John Morgan famously channeled curmudgeons on the show very well, but that’s the reactionary line going back decades now! It’s the same freakin’ joke.

How much do you want to bet it goes back even further? I bet there is some usage of a similar idea centuries ago.
“Thou dost be a flother*, I identify as thy charging-chariot.”

But seriously, that joke is probably even older. And it’s still the only one reactionaries know.

*Flother is an obsolete term for “snowflake”

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
9 months ago

The trick : it’s not a joke. It’s not destined to create guffaws. It’s both an in-group marker, used to signal their allegiance, and a vindicative insult flung on peoples against which they have no rational answer.

Paireon
Paireon
9 months ago

Well, most women I know around my age that have degrees aren’t married… But that’s because they’re “living in sin”, as it were.

And funnily enough given divorce rates unmarried couples among my friends and acquaintances tend to last pretty long (i.e. apart from my sister, and a friend who took longer than the others to get in a stable relationship, they’re pretty much all looking at over a decade together, with few signs of serious trouble currently), most have children or are expecting, and all are pretty damn satisfied with having two incomes. Meanwhile it’s the married ones who tend to have more problems overall (both couple- and income-wise).

And here in Quebec “paid family leave” is really flexible; when my friend had his first child, his girlfriend transferred most of her leave to him, since she was studying at the time (and thus it was pretty useless for her due to no income). So she continued her studies full-time without pause (meaning faster return to the job market and therefore income) and he took care of the housework and baby while still being paid 80%+ of his salary (so not that big a hit on pre-existing lifestyle). Oh, and did I mention that due to greater government subsidies student debt is usually a lot less crushing in La Belle Province than in The Land of The Free? Betcha Mollyknots didn’t take that into account, and would likely grumble “something something RadFem Marxism” if told.

About wars being the building block of our civilization: Unfortunately, he’s kinda right on that one. And it’s one of the biggest sources of how fucked-up we are as a society. What he maybe-conveniently forgets is that this isn’t exclusive to Western civilization. All the major surviving civilizations (and many of the non-surviving ones; looking at you, Mesoamericans and pre-Islamic Persians) were majorly influenced, for better or worse (but mostly worse), by how they prosecuted and weathered wars. Of course he forgets that for the most part it was men who forced other men to fight in wars, often with promises of women as loot for compensation. Also, he strangely does not seem to want any part of the cuddling of babies himself… Maybe because what he wants is to pressure/force women to have/cuddle said babies? Maybe that’s why they say he’s a monster, instead of due to their supposed “selfishness” and “narcissism” (projection much?). Just a thought.

As for that Aaron Clarey dude: The obesity problem affects both men and women you nincompoop. I should know, I crossed the 250 lbs threshold during the holidays (not proud of myself). Is female consumption of porn also a problem caused by the opposite sex being fat? Oh who am I kidding, you never even thought about it beforehand because you only ever think in terms of you, personally.

And saying “yes” to everything as a way to improve your life seems… iffy. At best. Probably because that means effectively becoming a slave with zero agency. Gender and sexuality have no bearing on this.

As for the other guy… No. Just NO. No means no, period. Someone changing their mind down the line and saying yes when they said no previously does not magically retroactively turn every previous no into a yes, nor does it prevent no from returning as a valid option later. Also, your taste in t-shirts is shit.

Aimee Therese – Pretty much anyone who positively quotes Phyllis Schafly’s internalized, entitled, hypocritical misogyny unironically loses the right to even call themselves in the same galaxy as feminism until they make amends by admitting they were wrong and that doing it was stupid. So guess what? Not only was she not a feminist, you’re not one either. Oh, and I responded with a tweet myself. Yay me. Oh, and why would you change your profile to justify doing these things? You obviously think you’re entitled to doing it with your profile as-is.

Allandrel
Allandrel
9 months ago

War is indeed counter to building a civilization. All those turns of production wasted on military buildings and units that could have gone towards something grand. The five hundred years that my city spent training five swordsmen could have produced a museum, which would have generated both Culture to help me buy Social Policies, and have slots for Great Works which would lead to a Cultural Victory!

…we were talking about Civilization V, right?

Amtep
Amtep
9 months ago

Anyone who would look at the trenches of Verdun and think “ah, the great work of civilization!” is wrong in ways I can’t even reach.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Paireon

Is female consumption of porn also a problem caused by the opposite sex being fat? Oh who am I kidding, you never even thought about it beforehand because you only ever think in terms of you, personally.

MRAs and their ilk either assume that women don’t watch porn, or they push a strange theory that women watch porn to learn (nevermind that most porn is not a good way to learn about sex for a variety of reasons). So, you are correct that they only ever think in terms of themselves and their preferences.

Probably because that means effectively becoming a slave with zero agency.

Which is what they want women to be.

Pretty much anyone who positively quotes Phyllis Schafly’s internalized, entitled, hypocritical misogyny unironically loses the right to even call themselves in the same galaxy as feminism until they make amends by admitting they were wrong and that doing it was stupid.

I’m pretty sure that Aimee Terese does not consider herself a feminist. She constantly criticizes feminism for a million idiotic and untrue reasons, and this is just a part of that. If she ever calls herself a feminist she’s using a very different definition than any of us.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
9 months ago

The sad thing is that apparently “MyPlayboysBunny” is a woman. The patriarchy can’t be maintained without the quislings.

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 months ago

Marriage is not the end-all, be-all of human existence, and I believe people should be free to choose whether or not they want to make a commitment like marriage and to whom and to be free to end that commitment if and when they don’t want it anymore. I don’t think complete freedom to make these choices exists anywhere, but we’re a lot closer than in Stefan’s half-remembered, half-invented dream past that he wishes to recapture, and I think that is a good thing.

So please believe that I was not accepting Stefan’s shitty premises when I did a very quick google to see if women in NA actually are less likely to be married if they receive university degrees and, low and behold, found the opposite appears to be true, at least according to this Atlantic article.

According to the article, people with more education are likelier to get married and remain married, but the relationship isn’t direct. Class is the relevant factor. More money means more time to spend working on your marriage and less stressors, and of course more money means better access to education (which often means more money, and on and on the class system perpetuates itself).

The world Stefan wants is wrong, but also his ideas as to how to build that world are wrong. He’s just a big plate of wrong covered in wrong sauce.

Robert
Robert
9 months ago

Allandrel – you reminded me. Back when I was playing Civilization, I always turned War off so I wouldn’t have to waste time and resources on it.

On a Civ discussion board, someone commented to me that that would have been unbearably boring for him. Same planet, different worlds.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
9 months ago

I have degrees in Russian and Linguistics. Do you speak Russian, Steffy? Because that is actually pretty fucking useful.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Yutolia
I highly doubt Steffy speaks it, but I can almost guarantee that he‘s a fan of Putin and his interference in America.

O/T: were you able to resolve the situation a few weeks ago?

epitome of incomprehensibility

Here’s a tip. Be charming, witty, and a suitable partner. Then, you don’t need consent anymore.

Blegh. I don’t think anyone who says “you don’t need consent anymore” would be a “suitable partner,” so that falls apart pretty quickly.

@Viscaria –

He’s just a big plate of wrong covered in wrong sauce.

This made me laugh, thanks.

Also, nice to see @Mish here again!

Crip Dyke
9 months ago

about Civ5: I still play it every once in a while, and I don’t turn off war… but except a couple of times when I was trying to finish certain feats/accomplishments I never started wars either.

I defended myself as necessary by holding on to both a large tech advantage and a huge stash of gold. Most of the time I used it for hurrying buildings as I established new cities, but I’d also use it to rush-buy military units when attacked. I’d look weak, then they’d attack, and whammo! I’d kick their attackers back.

Then I’d send in my workers to repair the damage done by pillaging and go on with building a civilized civ.

But mostly it’s about preventing war by gaining allies early and often. The allies don’t attack you – so that’s less war right there – and once you research defensive pacts, your allies’ armies do the deterrence work for you.

I don’t ever have to fight much.

@epitome of incomprehensibility:

It’s your nym, I’m not saying what you should do, but the first time I saw you name I thought,

You know, if you just went by “the epitome” then everyone would wonder, “the epitome of what?” and instead of referencing incomprehension, the nym would create incomprehension. You’d still be the epitome of incomprehensibility, but no one would even understand that!

I just thought you might be amused by the thought.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
9 months ago

This Indian (?) pickup artist at least acknowledges that using “persuasion” to get around an initial “no” is not consensual. Usually, pickup artists seem to rather frame it as “not rape”, implying there’s a broad spectrum from fully consensual sex to strong “persuasion” that doesn’t qualify as real rape and is therefore acceptable.

I was wondering how being “charming, witty and a suitable partner” factors into this. Something may be lost in translation, but possibly he means to assert that boorish slobs can’t succeed in the art of “persuasion”, which I highly doubt. Maybe it’s a coded way of saying that you need tactical and manipulation skills to reliably get away with your date rapes.

epitome of incomprehensibility

@Lumipuna –

Something may be lost in translation, but possibly he means to assert that boorish slobs can’t succeed in the art of “persuasion”

I suspect so – maybe the idea is if you can be pushy in a suave enough way it won’t seem like you’re being pushy. Again, ugh.

@Crip Dyke – 😀 I like your logic! Shortening might make things easier too. Weirdly, I feel like “the epitome” would come off as pretentious, but just “epitome” wouldn’t 🙂

(I came up with this for an Internet name when I was 16. I don’t know why exactly…a preemptive defense against “I don’t get that”? Or I just liked the rhythm/rhyme.)

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
9 months ago

@Naglfar:

I got the credit card frozen and nothing out of the ordinary has happened with that since then, and I haven’t been back to that store, so I don’t know if he’s been fired or not. I haven’t had any contact with him but I don’t know what he’s been doing and if he’s given up and moved on to harassing someone else or if he’s still trying to get my info. I’ve blocked him so he can’t contact me or anything and I haven’t heard from him but I don’t know what that means I guess?

Fred B-C
9 months ago

I love that Stefan both decides to pretend that he would be eager to sign up to push out a screaming human being from his body if the tables were turned (given his libertarian narcissism) and that childrearing is just “cuddling babies”. Stefan: You suck at parenting advice and yet you are trying to propose how society should parent.

We can now just say “I wish I had the confidence of Stefan Molyneux” rather than the generic “mediocre white man”.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
9 months ago

@Naglfar:

I’m pretty sure that Aimee Terese does not consider herself a feminist. She constantly criticizes feminism for a million idiotic and untrue reasons, and this is just a part of that. If she ever calls herself a feminist she’s using a very different definition than any of us.

Insofar as Terese can be said to present a coherent argument (as opposed to being, say, a particularly badly-written bot running a Markov chain algorithm over the Marxist corpus), she seems to belong to that hard-core subset of Marxists who believe that any form of struggle besides the class struggle is, at best, a distraction, and at worst, a manifestation of false consciousness. In other words, forget about racism, sexism and every other form of inequality, comrades: once the dictatorship of the proletariat is established, all these will magically melt away! 🙄

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Cat Mara

as opposed to being, say, a particularly badly-written bot running a Markov chain algorithm over the Marxist corpus

I‘ve considered trying to train an AI on her tweets to see what happens, maybe later I’ll do that.

she seems to belong to that hard-core subset of Marxists who believe that any form of struggle besides the class struggle is, at best, a distraction, and at worst, a manifestation of false consciousness.

That’s what I figured. I know a few people like that, and they’re quite frustrating. They’re almost always privileged people who refuse to acknowledge any privilege other than class, and it’s quite tiring to argue when they ignore most of the facts. Class is definitely a factor in oppression, but it’s definitely not the only axis.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 months ago

Blydhen Nowydh Da!!! (as absolutely no-one in Cornwall every actually says).

May 2020 bring everyone everything they want and need personally; and be the start of the decade when things finally get back on track generally.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 months ago

And I’ve just realised I posted this in the wrong thread. Ah well, still applies!

ColeYote
ColeYote
9 months ago

Thinking of putting queer, they/them in my bio, as an excuse to conduct myself in a gratuitously cruel, unjustified, totally disgusting manner yet somehow framing myself as the injured party,

As if Aimmee Terese isn’t already doing that

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

@epitome, hello, it’s good to be back! 🙂

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
9 months ago

Molyneux is a charlatan. If he told me the sky was blue, I would have to verify it for myself. He preys on hurting people.