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Open thread to discuss the legacy and honor the victims of the École Polytechnique massacre

Today is the 30th anniversary of the École Polytechnique massacre in Montreal in which 14 women were murdered by a gunman driven by a hatred of feminism and feminists.

Here are names, photos, and brief biographies of the women killed in the massacre.

Here’s an essay by Anne Thériault on why it’s important to remember that the killer, Marc Lépine, was motivated explicitly by antifeminist ideology, not simply a hatred of women in general. “Marc Lépine was hunting feminists on December 6, 1989,” she writes.

His followers are still hunting feminists, and they don’t care what labels those feminists use. We can’t save themselves by trying to appease men who see us as less than human. All we can do is keep rattling the cage until it finally breaks.

Here’s a post of mine looking at the similarities between the killer’s beliefs and mainstream Men’s Rights ideology. And here’s a post about a MGTOW manifesto arguing that the killer “had the right idea” but had picked the wrong targets. (He laid out just who he thought would make better targets, namely “the femanazis and their goverment puppet masters.”)

Feel free to post links to any good pieces you see on the subject.

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Crip Dyke
11 months ago
epitome of incomprehensibility

This article by Shelley Page, one of people reporting on the shooting in 1989, talks about how there was pressure to minimize the anti-feminist aspect and talk about the students in relational terms, not in terms of what they could have accomplished. That is, to say “this was someone’s daughter/sister/wife/girlfriend” etc. but not also “she could have done a lot in her career” – https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/page-how-i-sanitized-the-feminist-outrage-over-the-montreal-massacre

@Naglfar (from the last thread)

And every time someone points out how misogyny played a role, some antifeminist has to jump in to compare feminists to the KKK and claim that feminists are using the tragedy to justify an agenda they don’t like

This reminded me of part of the article. The reporter Page quotes was a bit milder than comparing feminists to the KKK, but she took the frustrating and misleading stance that talking about misogyny was somehow “diminishing” the murders:

That evening, I thawed my feet in my hotel and watched the late Barbara Frum, one of Canada’s most respected journalists, refuse to admit that the massacre was indeed an act of violence toward women.

“Why do we diminish it by suggesting that it was an act against just one group?” Frum asked on CBC’s The Journal.

[…]

She refused to even utter the word feminist. But then, her neutralizing of feminist anger must have resonated, and perhaps was reflexive.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
11 months ago

On Thursday, the City of Montreal changed the wording on a plaque at the Place du 6-decembre-1989 to declare that the attack was an anti-feminist act.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/12/06/consensus-comes-30-years-later-that-montreal-massacre-was-an-anti-feminist-act.html

I’m trying to work out how it took thirty years for that consensus to come about, considering Lepine’s manifesto.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Rabid Rabbit
Probably because society doesn’t want to admit that there is a misogyny problem. If we admit that the problem was misogyny and toxic masculinity, that gives us an obligation to fix those. And society doesn’t want to fix those.

Cindy
Cindy
11 months ago

Rest in power.

Paireon
Paireon
11 months ago

Welp, as I just wrote earlier today in another comment thread here, as someone from the greater Montreal region who remembers very well those horrific events despite being only 10 at the time I feel like I have to talk about it here.

@Crip Dyke: I read your blog posts and I liked them a lot (well, technically speaking given the depressing subject matters at hand; still thought they were well-written, informative and thought-provoking). Left comments there, hope they pass muster (I’m pretty new at being openly anti-redpill/MRA/MAGA/Alt-right on the net so I may yet commit some blunders and faux-pas).

Gotta say RE: the massacre, that at least now they’ve openly acknowledged that it was a blatantly anti-feminist attack, no more sugarcoating it like they previously did as shown in @epitome of incomprehensibility’s post, even if I also think that it’s not nearly enough and extremely late.

Also, in the “good news that are still depressing as hell” segment, they arrested a self-described MRA who was also a Marc Lépine apologist for inciting hate against women online, specifically because we were nearing the anniversary date:

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-police-arrest-blogger-alleged-to-have-glorified-polytechnique-mass-murderer-1.4718872

The creepiest part was that he’d already been arrested for similar or perhaps worse shenanigans ten years ago, when he’d actually threatened women on a blog he had at the time that was dedicated to Marc Lépine. And back then the judge threw out the case because of course he did.

Oh, and of course, his pseudonym is “Flashman”, probably after the British colonialist satirical anti-hero portrayed by George McDonald Fraser as everything wrong with British imperialism, even though he’s French-Canadian. So to top it all off he’s also likely a “colonisé” (yes, I know, it’s a very minor offense compared to the rest, but as a proud Québécois myself it pisses me off. Sorry for veering off-topic there; then again, among his many flaws, Flashman was also portrayed as sexist by Victorian standards IIRC, so…).

rv97
rv97
11 months ago

@Naglfar

I’d wager they don’t want to reduce the legitimacy of the socially conservative aspects that many religions and philosophies teach, lest the world descend into chaos; hence why I believe misogyny persists if they at least insist women and men should be different (and that it should only be clearly defined cisgender women and men who exist in this society).

WMDKitty
WMDKitty
11 months ago

**raises pipe in salute**

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
11 months ago

I always feel compelled to say something about these mass shootings, but right now I’ve got nothing more than “this situation is beyond horrible” and “make it stop”.

numerobis
numerobis
11 months ago

Rabid Rabbit: the most obvious reason the city changed the wording only this year is that the general media makes big news of the memorial every five years only, and Plante was only elected in 2017. It’s our first quintennial with a woman as mayor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valérie_Plante

(She is, of course, totally kick-ass.)

Allandrel
Allandrel
11 months ago

Since this is an open thread:

Caroll Spinney, the Muppeteer who performed Big Bird and Oscar the Grouch for 50 years, has died.

Katamount
11 months ago

Wanted to include a couple articles I saw on HuffPo:

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nathalie-provost-polytechnique-30-years-later_ca_5de98823e4b00149f73df249

In this one, survivor Nathalie Provost recounts the day, the aftermath and how the bullet wounds she received have begun to cause her recurring pain as she’s grown older. The survivors often get lost in the recollections of these events, but as time and age catch up to them, I’m certain that the survivors of other mass shooting events (such as Columbine, who are now in their late 30s) will begin to experience similar pains (if they haven’t been feeling them the whole time).

There was another article by a younger woman who recounted the impact of the event on her feminist journey:

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/ecole-polytechnique-feminism_ca_5de98b3de4b00149f73df5af?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage