By David Futrelle
In the midst of a too-long manifesto on “the Politics of Damaged Women” posted to the Red Pill subreddit today, a fellow calling himself RamessesVII makes an argument that reveals far more about the politics of damaged men like, well, him.
“We must overturn Row V. Wade,” he declares flatly.
And let’s be real, it’s not about killing babies. I only really care if a woman kills my kid, I don’t care about anyone else’s. [Banning] abortion is about making it so women are scared to have more than one sexual partner.
Huh. And that one partner would be you, you assume? I don’t think so.
RamessesVII, who seems genuinely confused by our political system and life in general, has a plan to ensure the end of Roe: Red Pill men should join Christian churches en masse, regardless of whether or not they actually believe in God or Jesus or any of that stuff.
[I]f you’re in the United States, consider calling up your local church and joining. You don’t have to believe any of it if you don’t want to. But the church is the only viable tool we have to turn our country conservative again. …
The point, again, is to scare women — ideally, so badly that they end up voting Republican.
If we want women to vote Republican we need to make them think that Jesus is watching them in that voting booth. AND we need women to vote Republican if we want conservative policy implemented in this country. They’re 50% of the population.
So don’t just go Christian. Start wearing crosses and saying Merry Christmas and shit.
So go to church, wish strangers Merry Christmas, wear a cross to the coffee shop, and make sure it’s visible when you order your 4 dollar coffee from Becky. Bring Christianity back into practice in this country, and all this disgusting intersectional garbage will vanish.
Yes, I’m sure wearing your cross to Starbucks will scare Becky the Barista into voting against her own interests. Brilliant plan there.
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Okay, I am a witch so maybe I am missing something.
I don’t understand how a guy going to Church, wishing people a merry Christmas or wearing a cross is going to convince any woman to change who she votes for. Looking at statistics from 2016, the one driver I noticed was white single women tend to vote for Democrats but married white women vote Republican. It also seemed that women of color tended to vote for Democrats regardless of marital status.
I can’t imagine how much more CHRISTIAN(tm) the US would need to be for this guy’s plan to succeed. I am betting on something in excess of 100%.
At long last, the truth. It’s all about keeping/putting women in their place, through fear. At least this jerk is honest, which is a good deal more than the Catholics and Evangelicals.
@Kestrel
I’m not sure either. I’m Jewish and a Democrat, like the majority of Jews in America, and to me seeing men like this join churches and do conservative things would only make me more determined in my views. I mean, if people want to join various churches they have a right to do so, but don’t expect me to follow.
I’m a proud Christian and even these pro-lifers disgust me. There’s too many I seen who don’t actually care about life. They would harass single mothers and female victims and spout other misogynistic bull and even praised shooters, are pedophiles, had abortions themsleves, bullied disabled teens :cough Greta thunberg cough: etc. It’s all why I left.
But sadly there’s pro choice people who harassed them spouting “you deserved to be sexually assaulted” at them and that’s not ok at all either.
Also been on the internet for too long now I’m starting to be very annoyed with the terms “karen” and “becky” along with “ok boomer”, etc
Yeah, he gets an A for honesty.
@Fruitloopsie
To me the biggest contradiction in the “pro life” movement is that they don’t support life.
If they supported life, they would want abortion to be legal so women wouldn’t die getting unsafe abortions or giving birth in dangerous circumstances. They would stop opposing abortion and start channeling all their energy towards ending gun violence and preventing suicide, both of which kill millions every year. But I don’t hear about many doing that.
In short, they seem much more concerned with those not yet born than with the quality of life or life itself of those of us who are already here.
Naglfar
That’s the other reason why I left too hence the “etc” part.
Still calling out the pro choice people.
I have a bible quote tattooed onto me dude. the word of god is literal permanently on my skin. Christianity isn’t going to make women who want rights to vote against themselves.
Jesus had pretty strong opinions about moneylenders, the wealthy, the hypocrites who stone adulterers, and the performatively religious. If he’s watching people in voting booths and taking notes, it’s the Republican candidates who fall short on every one of his principles.
Whoops! He said the quiet thing out loud.
Never mind the women who have a non-viable fetus, or a pregnancy that threatens their life. They don’t exist.
Me too. I’m so glad millennials have figured out how to save the planet through name-calling.
@Buttercup Q. Skullpants
I don’t know too much about Jesus, but from what I know he would not be pleased with the “religious” right. Trump is the physical embodiment of everything Jesus opposed.
I’ve got news for him. Women in monogamous relationships (including those who are still with the first guy they ever slept with) have abortions too. Committing to one sexual relationship with one sexual partner doesn’t automatically mean signing up to having a baby every time your contraception fails until menopause, or indeed having any kids at all. Abortion isn’t a consequence of women having “too many” sexual partners; it’s a consequence of women choosing not to be pregnant.
I used to be all for “ok boomer” even if I wouldn’t really use it myself. The economy is shit, and too many people have been unable or unwilling to accept that the principles that worked for them sound like fantasy talk to us because of how much neoliberal policies have screwed everything up. Generations before us have set up a system where billionaires can cause so much damage on a massive scale, and there’s no end in sight within our lifetimes. Even now, “green capitalism” is promising to fix everything using genius strategies like forcing disabled people to use metal straws. I saw an article once talking about the pollution caused by asthma inhalers. And young people have tried, repeatedly, from Occupy to the Parkland student protests and everything else, to make their elders listen and do something and yet nothing happens.
Though I say all that, nowadays I feel like it’s become an extension of largely white millennials growing up around political comedy such as The Daily Show, which did just enough activism to make it seem like lampooning the authoritarian right into oblivion would be an effective strategy for keeping liberalism going and preventing a slide into fascism (of course, we know now it hasn’t been). A lot of the signs of the generational divide, like the Thanksgiving dinner trope and the opinion pieces about millennials “killing” various industries, seem to kind of only apply to relatively well-off white liberals. Not to mention a large portion of bigoted movements these days are driven by young white men, as this blog and many other sources can attest. One time I saw a black guy post along the lines of, “Wait, so ‘boomer’ is just another name for old white people?” And he’s pretty spot on with the implications of that in my opinion. So in that sense I have gotten rather wary of the epithet.
I feel like the meme itself is rather trite and dull, and I don’t think it’s the best use of our time. However, I feel that many have somewhat overreacted to it. Boomer is not a slur and is not equivalent to the n-word, contrary to what some have asserted *cough* Bob Lonsberry *cough*.
Exactly.
This is what many opponents of abortion stand for, I believe.
Lol I am a very slow person like extremely slow I’m just not up to date what is going on and have a hard time understanding even when someone explained it to me once.
An Impish Pepper
About asthma inhalers. I saw that too and I was quite dumbfounded because my mom and I need our inhalers. And she needs her epipen too and sadly my mom has been to the hospital quite a few times.
No man stands between me and God.
Do these guys not realize that if women were somehow limited to only one sexual partner, they would probably want to find the absolute best one possible, AKA not them?
So, a lot of pregnant people who get abortions are married or in monogamous relationships. It is not just “sluts” who get or seek an abortion.
Yup, the same if women can’t support themselves. The beautiful ones are going to try to find the best man they can. Cause if you have to be locked away in a cage, it might as well be the nicest one you can get.
Yeah, you can fick off.
I don’t think the pro-lifers will support this scheme, for the simple reason that Rameses juat gave away the store. Sure, everyone knows that they don’t really care about “the little babies” and would happily crush a thousand babies’ heads underfoot running to stop a single abortion. If it was about protecting the little babies, they’d also be campaigning to improve drinking water so little babies don’t get lead poisoning, improving health care so little babies don’t die of easily preventable diseases, putting an end to the ICE detention centers so little babies don’t get ripped from their parent’s arms and thrown into kennels, and so on. They just don’t like it being said out loud.
Kupo
Calling out SOME pro choice people who told pro-lifers they deserved to be sexually assaulted saying they’re terrible people but I’m the one who should go f*** off.. What?
So it’s terrorism. Pure, genuine, honest, for-reals terrorism.
I mean it’s not like we didn’t already know it, but usually terrorists don’t acknowledge that they’re terrorists.
@Fruitloopsie:
This stinks of both-sides-ism, and is not a productive comment. I would suggest caution when making a statement like this, because literally every group of people ever contains people who have done indefensible things.
The problem with this both-sides-ism rhetoric is that it isn’t neutral. For instance, if you say “Republicans are horribly unethical people, but Democrats are all corrupt, too,” you are contributing to an atmosphere of voter apathy. And when voter apathy is high, Republicans win elections, so that sort of both-sides-ism is a pro-Republican talking point.
So I would suggest that you should not assume that pointing out that some subset of pro-choice people have done bad things is a productive thing to do unless there are specific incidents or an established broader pattern you want to address.
I can’t be reading this correctly, can I? Someone tell me if this summary is accurate.
He wants to attack the bodily autonomy of everyone who can carry a fetus in the hopes that that will make them frightened enough for their health and well-being that they will limit their own sexual freedom. However, he recognizes that in order to get his dream policies enacted he will need the cooperation of at least a few of those same people willing to vote against their own best interests. He plans to secure this support by wearing cross jewelry and saying “Merry Christmas” to people.
Is that… is that the plan? That can’t be the plan. I need to go to bed.
Edit: Does he plan to keep saying “Merry Christmas” once January comes around, or will he cut that out and have to wear an extra cross necklace to compensate?