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The Daily Stormer launches an attack on the female orgasm

Presumably fake orgasms are still ok

By David Futrelle

The Nazi boys over at The Daily Stormer have made it clear that, in the realm of ideology in any case, they’re as bad as Hitler in almost every way possible. When it comes to the Woman Question, they’re arguably worse. While Hitler preferred women relegated to the sphere of ‘Kinder, Küche, Kirche “ (children, kitchen, church), he at least pretended to respect them.

Not so the Stormers, who have previously denied women’s* basic bodily autonomy, reduced them to baby-making machines, and compared them unfavorably to dogs.

Now they’ve launched a war against the deadly menace of the female orgasm. A recent post by “Pomidor Quixote,” the site’s go-to guy for misogynistic commentary, took issue with a survey conducted by a lingerie and sex toy retailer reporting that a significant number of British women are dissatisfied with their sexual partners and wish they could have more orgasms from sex.

As far as Quixote is concerned,

Women’s orgasms are so useless and irrelevant that they’re not even popular dishes among the incubi and the succubi — both of whom would rather feed on men.

Not a good start. In addition to the misogyny, Quixote needs to brush up on his sex demon mythology. Incubi are males and feed on women. Also, they don’t exist. (It’s the succubi, of course, who are the lady sex demons — and a popular topic amongst weirdo misogynistic men, many of whom believe they’re totally real.)

Quixote continues, suggesting that only male orgasms really count::

The male orgasm results in semen expulsion, which is intended to result in pregnancy.

The alleged female orgasm results in what?

Nothing.

Anyone who refers to women’s orgasms as “alleged” isn’t likely to be a very fun sex partner.

Not that Quixote cares about female pleasure — or even female consent:

This mirrors women’s absolute lack of authentic agency and relevance in general, as growing babies in their bellies is the only thing they’re good at and it can happen whether they orgasm or not, whether they like it or not, whether they agree to it or not, whether they do anything or not. It can even happen whether they’re conscious or not.

Even shitheads who hate women generally recognize that when women enjoy sex they have more of it and that this is a good thing, human-reproduction-wise. But Quixote isn’t having any of it.

Some would say that women’s orgasms are supposed to help with pair-bonding and stuff like ovulation and getting pregnant, but that’s irrelevant outside of virgin marriage and especially in the modern context of female empowerment, where the average woman is on sterility pills and has already lost most of her pair-bonding ability through meaningless sex with countless “sexual partners” by the time she enters her twenties.

Besides, he adds, women are never really satisfied about anything.

Would women even know if they’re satisfied? Can women even feel satisfaction?

What is the benefit of satisfying women?

He ends by referring to women as “mutant r*tards that drool from both of their mouths,” which I have to admit is a phrase I’ve never heard before. So points for that I guess.

*Note: if it’s not clear already, when Quixote refers to women he means cis women. Stormers are generally huge transphobes who don’t consider trans women to be women.

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Victorious Parasol
11 months ago

“Some would say” – that’s a cute way to gloss over people who could be actual authorities on the subject. Unlike Quixote, who is sure he has all the authority he needs to bloviate online.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
11 months ago

Ironically, in paleolithic societies (according to both “some people” AND actual experts) women’s ability to give birth was treated as a divine power. (Joseph Campbell, et al)

Men’s abuse of women was likely treated with a spear point. (Peter Turchin, “Ultrasociety”)

WeirwoodTreeHugger
11 months ago

Sterility pills? That’s really not what birth control.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

Isn’t this the same guy who proposed starving fat people? I think that tells us all we need to know about this asshole.

incubi and the succubi — both of whom would rather feed on men.

Is he…giving support for gay incubi? I’m pretty sure it’s accidental, but it’s still interesting to notice. I don’t know of any mythological descriptions of gay incubi/succubi, but if anyone does have anything on this I would be interested to see it.
This calls for this song, which I know David likes:

QuantumInc
QuantumInc
11 months ago

He doesn’t seem to be aware of the fact that some people actually enjoy sex. Maybe he’s just internalized “sex is for procreation” or he is so used to using evo-psych arguments but he completely fails to recognize that enjoyment plays into people’s motivations. He makes it sound like men are just robots trying to deduce the best strategy for replicating their genes. I suppose he supports the white race because of genetic similarity. Of course technically female orgasms are not necessary for procreation, so if you have a worldview where procreation is everything and human happiness is nothing, then yeah, female orgasms are useless.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
11 months ago

@Naglfar In the Christian ‘canon’, there are no ‘gay’ sex demons as homosexuality was considered so perverse that even demons wouldn’t do it. SMH
-Source: Malleus Maleficarum [Hammer of the Witches]

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@QuantumInc

He doesn’t seem to be aware of the fact that some people actually enjoy sex.

They probably don’t enjoy sex with Mr. Quixote and his ilk. Nazis who only see sex as being about reproduction probably aren’t the best partners. And if he insists on only having sex with virgins, he’s probably not going to have a great time either.

if you have a worldview where procreation is everything and human happiness is nothing

I don’t know the particulars of this fellow’s views, but I don’t think neo-Nazis put much value on personal happiness. They certainly don’t sound happy.

@Fishy Goat
I’m not surprised that there are no gay demons. Though I must admit, if you’re trying to demonize an act, having demons do it would be a good way to convey that.

Definitely not Steve
Definitely not Steve
11 months ago

Quixote: *Says that a woman’s only purpose is her uterus*

Also Quixote: *Complains that modern women have lost their pair-bonding ability*

Pick a lane, dingus. Pick a sad, bigoted, hate-filled lane. You can’t do both.

Nequam
Nequam
11 months ago

The phrase “two-pump chump” comes to mind…

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
11 months ago

@ Fishy Goat:

-Source: Malleus Maleficarum [Hammer of the Witches]

Now, THERE’S an accurate source for Xian hatred!!!

@ Naglfar:

I don’t think neo-Nazis put much value on personal happiness. They certainly don’t sound happy.

Their happiness… such as it is… comes from making other people UNhappy.

@ Nequam:

“two-pump chump”

Oh, OUCHIE-POO!!!!

Mexican Hot Chocolate
Mexican Hot Chocolate
11 months ago

What are the odds that this waste of carbon is also an Incel? His general attitude towards women and his “understanding” of sex and sexuality are about the same as theirs.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
11 months ago

This mirrors women’s absolute lack of authentic agency and relevance in general, as growing babies in their bellies is the only thing they’re good at

But without women (and a few trans men) growing these babies (in their wombs, not their bellies), there would be no human race.

And while we’re on the subject of babies, who do you suppose will raise those babies?

As for women’s other skills, I’ve witnessed or heard of excellent female professors, MDs, judges, reporters, physical therapists, factory workers, nurses, chefs, cashiers, teachers, cartographers, artists, proofreaders, engineers, musicians, farmers, and — pretty much every task and career. The only thing women (except for some trans women) can’t do is donate sperm.

Lainy
Lainy
11 months ago

Ironically I just finished a research paper where a good portion of talked about how the misogynist of old thought that if a woman didn’t have orgasms they would lose their minds. I’m looking at you Hippocrates.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@MHC

What are the odds that this waste of carbon is also an Incel?

100%, though he’d never admit to it. He probably wants us to believe that he’s drowning in young Aryan women. I’m pretty sure nothing is further from the truth.

@Kat

in their wombs, not their bellies

It seems there’s a significant number of adults who think babies are grown in stomachs. I find this rather disconcerting, but it probably is mostly a result of sex ed in this country. At least in my district we learned what a uterus is (though we notably did not learn where the clitoris is, because the teacher probably didn’t care about female pleasure either).

teabug
11 months ago

“Whether they agree to it or not”? And here I thought pregnancy from rape was just a feminist lie. Consistency, man.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
11 months ago

@Naglfar
Drowning in Aryan Virgin Women. Got to remember the virginity party.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Ooglyboggles

Drowning in Aryan Virgin Women. Got to remember the virginity party.

Of course. How could I forget?

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
11 months ago

The alleged female orgasm results in what?

Depends on who you’re talking about. For some women, it results in a good night’s sleep, an invaluable thing. For some, it results in a spring in their step the next day, and they know it’s the time to ask the boss for a raise. And for some, it means that they have to get married and soon — they’re in a hurry to make things official with their sexy dreamboat.

Honestly, you need to read more novels. Note that I didn’t say you need to date more — or at all. You are clearly unsuited to share any kind of activity with anything that lives.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
11 months ago

I’m normally all in favor of scientific research and finding out more about how things work, but sometimes, I really do wish we had never questioned what used to be the orthodoxy that conception could only occur if both partners orgasmed.

It’s a problematic belief, of course, because its evil twin is “If she’s pregnant it can’t have been rape, because clearly she enjoyed it,” but at least it would shut people like this up.

(Oh, what am I saying. Nothing shuts them up. But a boy can dream. As can a girl, of course. And anyone who’s neither.)

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
11 months ago

Nazis, MGTOWs, incels…they’ve rolled up into one ugly little ball of hate.

LollyPop
LollyPop
11 months ago

I remember watching a TED talk with a guy who’d been deradicalised from a neo-Nazi group/idealogy, who said one of the many disturbing things was how women involved the movement would often be raped by the neo-nazi men who (in a admittedly extremely misguided and racist way) they thought would protect them.

And they wonder why they have such a problem recruiting women to the “cause”. Jesus Christ, they even wonder why Taylor Swift doesn’t like them.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
11 months ago

@ LollyPop:

Both Katherine Graham (“Bringing the War Home”) and Michael Kimmel (“Angry White Men”) devote pages to explaining the relationship of women to the Fascist movement. Interesting

re: Taylor Swift, after the “butt-grabber” lawsuit, the igno-right shoulda been aware she is no pushover

Moggie
Moggie
11 months ago

@LollyPop, here’s an October CNN article about women in the alt-right (warning: that page has an autoplaying video). It paints a disturbing picture of the misogyny which seems to be an inevitable part of the modern far-right. Though I admit I was amused at what deadbeats these guys tend to be:

She explains, “I thought I was trash, so I didn’t mind when they talked about women being dogs, worthless. Even though I was the one driving them around, paying for stuff.”

She says that she and Samantha fit a familiar pattern within the alt-right. “Like 70 percent of the time, the women earn the money and the men do podcasts. And they do podcasts about how women shouldn’t have jobs.”

Sounds familiar!

Katamount
11 months ago

Not to get too graphic, but having brought my share of vajayjay-possessors to climax, they definitely feel it. Hip spasms, flushed chest, joyful giggles, whole nine yards. As for utilitarian arguments, I don’t think this guy really wants to go down that path. The relationship component of sexual contact can’t be overstated, as much as these guys seek to deny it.

Furthermore, it’s also possible for dudes to dry-climax. It does happen. Happened to me once or twice.

OT, but I’ve been watching so much Jeremy the Bear that the muted “wah-wah” trombone music whenever something goofy is happening is now stuck in my head. Makes for good background music for the Jonathan Turley impeachment hearing testimony though.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Moggie
In some ways I almost feel sorry for the women who end up in the alt right. They’re probably abused awfully by alt right men, and a lot seem to be brainwashed and/or forced into it by abusive partners.

The labor distribution interestingly reminds me of a religious fundamentalist community I read about. The men spent most of the day studying religious texts while the women worked to bring in all the money, and the men made all the rules and talked about how women shouldn’t work.

@Katamount

Furthermore, it’s also possible for dudes to dry-climax. It does happen. Happened to me once or twice.

TMI Question: does that make it possible to have multiple orgasms? I’m not a dude, but I do have that kind of anatomy.

moregeekthan
moregeekthan
11 months ago

So according to mr. quixotic:

(Cis) man spending a few minutes to climax: awesomest thing ever.

(Cis) Woman spending nine months to grow and birth an entirely new human being: meh.

I’m not convinced he has done the math correctly on this.

James Hutchings
11 months ago

@Naglfar:

Re inccubi and succubi: According to the Malleus Maleficarum, inccubi and succubi are the same creature, who capture sperm as women and expel it as men. They have high moral standards, and as such will refuse to have anything other than penis-in-vagina sex. So there wouldn’t be any gay ones.

Shadowplay
11 months ago

TMI Question: does that make it possible to have multiple orgasms? I’m not a dude, but I do have that kind of anatomy.

No. Doesn’t even seem to shorten the refractory period any.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
11 months ago

Their fear of women is so obvious. And, the alt-right women’s self-hatred is even more obvious.

rv97
rv97
11 months ago

Honestly, what do Nazis and other conservatives find is wrong with enjoying sex? I think I can sort of guess, they’re worried that it might lead people to doing, in their eyes, fucked up things.

It’s easier for me to see what Nazis consider abominable – doing anything they deem to be harmful to the white race and its supposed superiority (if the white race are so superior, why can’t they be engaged in “degeneracy” lest they become “degenerate”?), but less so for conservatives who may be more racially diverse.

I think there’s a thing where sex is equal to loss of inhibition, and getting desensitized to sex. I’m not sure.

ObSidJag
ObSidJag
11 months ago

@Fishy Goat & Naglfar:

In the Christian ‘canon’, there are no ‘gay’ sex demons as homosexuality was considered so perverse that even demons wouldn’t do it.

Not entirely true. I remember reading one Medieval example (wish I could remember where) of a man describing being sexually attacked by a male demon. Granted, not a common occurrence as this is the only one I remember–and I read pretty extensively on the subject.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Dormousing it,

Oops, yes I did! Maybe I’ll email David and ask him to change it. I don’t mind if regulars know my name, but I don’t want any possible trolls to!

LollyPop
LollyPop
11 months ago

@Weird(andtiredoftrumplings)Eddie @Moggie thanks for the recommendations! I’m really interested to read more into the subject so I’ll check them out

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
11 months ago

As far as I know, originally, incubis and succubis are two form of the same kind of demon.

The whole schtick of that family of demon is that, as a succubi, they seduce a man (and/or impersonate their wife), store the semen, corrupt it, switch to incubi form and seduce and impregnate a women (possibly, once again, by impersonating their husband). The corrupted semen then mean the children will be a sorcerer, an half demon, or something noxious in general.

Note how rapey that actually sound ; succubus stories were written to dissuade people to have all the sex, not to be fetish porn stuff. Also they served as a medieval “get out of jail free” for pregnancy that give unwanted result.

Katamount
11 months ago

@Naglfar

Looks like Shadowplay beat me to it. Yeah, doesn’t have an effect on that capability.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
11 months ago

Re inccubi and succubi: According to the Malleus Maleficarum, inccubi and succubi are the same creature, who capture sperm as women and expel it as men. They have high moral standards, and as such will refuse to have anything other than penis-in-vagina sex. So there wouldn’t be any gay ones.

Well, there go my plans for the weekend. :p

I recently watched a video by Innuendo studios that compared being a member of a hategroup to an abusive relationship or cult. Interesting channel in general (which also explains up to a point why members HAVE to be completely miserable):

bekabot
bekabot
11 months ago

I think the female orgasm exists because it makes both partners feel really good and helps them to get to like each other better. And depend on each other more. And want to hang around with each other longer. Works equally well with a same-sex or a hetero couple, BTW. Can’t prove it, though.

However, does everything need a reason to exist? Why look a rainbow in the mouth? Why pour weedkiller over Queen Anne’s Lace? Why complain when instead of a quarter you get a Susan B. Anthony dollar back in change? What for? What’s the point of behaving that way, and what purpose does it serve? Hunh?

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
11 months ago

I’m vaguely reminded of a scene in one of my favorite historical novels, by Finnish historian/author/feminist Kaari Utrio.

A young medieval noblewoman is confessing to an old priest, basically seeking help with/escape from her abusive husband. The priest says something like this (I’m paraphrasing/translating from memory):

He admonished her, “Return to your husband and obey him, as women were created to serve and obey their husband. For why else should women exist?”

She couldn’t answer that.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
11 months ago

@bekabot : I am pretty sure their standard answer is “if it exist, natural selection mean it exist for a reason !”

Which is a load of bullshit who fly in the face of actual evolution theory, but they don’t care. Evolution-wise, it could totally be A – a random side effect of another mutation ; or B – something whose usefulness isn’t at all what they expect (maybe orgasms help exercice muscles used for digestion or miction ?) ; or C – something so unimportant it wasn’t selected for or against.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Shadowplay, Katamount
Oh well. I didn’t think so, but thought it was worth asking.

Re: things existing for a reason
Most things exist for no reason, and that’s just fine. There doesn’t need to be a reason.
Anyway, next time some internet misogynist says that female orgasms have no purpose, point out that he has no purpose either. Really, I don’t think there is any good purpose for people like Pomidor Quixote.

Oh, and FWIW in another thread I recall we found several possible evolutionary purposes for female orgasms in addition to more desire for sex. Like contractions to draw sperm into the uterus.

Lainy
Lainy
11 months ago

Wasn’t Merlin the son of one of those sex demons?

Paireon
Paireon
11 months ago

Welp. Sorry for the language, but my first reaction upon reading this was:
“Jesus Christ, how horrifying.”

That said the dude’s callsign is weirdly appropriate given his penchant for windmill crusades.

@Ohlmann : Pretty much the version I remember, as well. Merlin, in the latter versions of the Arthurian myth (eg. Vulgate Cycle, La Morte d’Arthur) was the product of such shenanigans.

But frankly, I am appalled at the depths of misogyny needed to consider the female orgasm “useless”. If pleasure is useless for the conception of offspring, why not genetically modify men so that they don’t feel any pleasure when ejaculating? Of course, he’d probably answer with a long diatribe that it’s an “intrinsic necessity” and that doing that to guys would be “defiling their virile essence” or some shit (insert General Ripper* “precious bodily fluids” joke/comparison here).

Then again this is a dude who thinks that because women can be impregnated without consent of pleasure that means they have no agency. Ugh, I feel like I need a shower just from typing that.

*A sociopathic, delusional military man from the movie “Doctor Strangelove”. One of the best satires of all time, maybe even THE best, period.

PS: As a a dude myself I sure as hell want to keep sexual pleasure. I also think that women orgasming is one of the greatest things ever.

Paireon
Paireon
11 months ago

@Lainy – LOL yup, you beat me to the punch!

Paireon
Paireon
11 months ago

@Naglfar – To me, his purpose is to serve as a living counter-example.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Paireon

To me, his purpose is to serve as a living counter-example.

Maybe, but could we have a slightly less appalling one? Mr. Quixote here still seems to exist to an unnecessary degree. I hope that he doesn’t have any children; these genes should not be passed on to the next generation.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
11 months ago

@ Lainy

Yep; the most common romances have his mom being a human princess and his dad being an incubus, although the Arthurian Romances being what they are, his character and nature change considerably over time and between authors. For example, some of the older sources (most notably Geoffrey of Monmouth) have him being a prophet of great renown and uncanny accuracy, but a number of later sources reduce or eliminate his prophetic nature and play up his magic/supernatural abilities (like shapeshifting).

Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
11 months ago

@Nequam

Dammit, you beat me to the ‘two-pump chump’ thing.

Bina
11 months ago

@Pretentious Pseudonymous Misogynist:

Women’s orgasms are so useless and irrelevant that they’re not even popular dishes among the incubi and the succubi — both of whom would rather feed on men.

Oh lord, the depth of this dumbth is damn near unfathomable.

If, to underscore your laughable “point”, you must rely on the imagined sexual tastes of imaginary sex-demons whose existence was posited by notoriously superstitious and utterly unscientific medieval “philosophers” (note the quotes, there for a reason), you’re already arguing from a position of incredible weakness. Nothing you say thereafter will serve to pull you up out of your own cognitive sumphole. The fact that you haven’t gone into the matter in any greater depth than is provided by Grade 7 Sex Ed, circa 1960, isn’t going to help you there, either.

You might do better to throw yourself at a windmill and go splat, like the tomato you named yourself after. You still wouldn’t be able to make any woman cum, mind you, but you might at least amuse some of us.

doethreetwoone
doethreetwoone
11 months ago

@naglfar

I recall we found several possible evolutionary purposes for female orgasms

One I haven’t seen (though I think ‘more sex’ probably has a larger roll to play than what I am proposing) is that the female orgasm assists in mate-selection.

Not in like a ‘chad genes ruined the gene pool’ way, but in a ‘this person’s sex ability indicates potentially useful mate-traits’ kind of way.

TMI warning: timid discussions of my experience with female orgasms.

In my experience (and what else is evo-psych based on anyway) a female orgasm requires a partner that has some degree of stamina, some strength, and a fairly well developed theory of mind (in that, there needs to be the ability to ‘read’ a partner and anticipate what might be pleasurable to them).

Strength, stamina (and most importantly) a developed theory of mind are also the traits of:

good hunters (i.e. can anticipate animal movements, has the stamina to pursue them, and the strength to harvest the meal);

good gatherers (same as above except switch out “anticipate animal movements” with “anticipate bloom-fruit cycles”);

good community leaders (strength/stamina to engage in collaborative decision making plus the developed theory of mind necessary to anticipate what others may want); and

good fighters (strength/stamina to have the fight plus the more important sufficiently developed theory of mind necessary to anticipate an opponent may do in a fight or (more usefully) determine what can be done to avoid the fight)

being evo-psych, this is all conjecture. But I enjoy thinking of these thought experiments.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Bina

You still wouldn’t be able to make any woman cum,

Not sure about that one. Some women might have windmill fetishes and might cum at the sight of a man attacking a windmill. It’s a long shot, but people have all kinds of fetishes.

All this mention of windmills is making me think of one thing (warning: gif does change brightness slightly):comment image