By David Futrelle
The Nazi boys over at The Daily Stormer have made it clear that, in the realm of ideology in any case, they’re as bad as Hitler in almost every way possible. When it comes to the Woman Question, they’re arguably worse. While Hitler preferred women relegated to the sphere of ‘Kinder, Küche, Kirche “ (children, kitchen, church), he at least pretended to respect them.
Not so the Stormers, who have previously denied women’s* basic bodily autonomy, reduced them to baby-making machines, and compared them unfavorably to dogs.
Now they’ve launched a war against the deadly menace of the female orgasm. A recent post by “Pomidor Quixote,” the site’s go-to guy for misogynistic commentary, took issue with a survey conducted by a lingerie and sex toy retailer reporting that a significant number of British women are dissatisfied with their sexual partners and wish they could have more orgasms from sex.
As far as Quixote is concerned,
Women’s orgasms are so useless and irrelevant that they’re not even popular dishes among the incubi and the succubi — both of whom would rather feed on men.
Not a good start. In addition to the misogyny, Quixote needs to brush up on his sex demon mythology. Incubi are males and feed on women. Also, they don’t exist. (It’s the succubi, of course, who are the lady sex demons — and a popular topic amongst weirdo misogynistic men, many of whom believe they’re totally real.)
Quixote continues, suggesting that only male orgasms really count::
The male orgasm results in semen expulsion, which is intended to result in pregnancy.
The alleged female orgasm results in what?
Nothing.
Anyone who refers to women’s orgasms as “alleged” isn’t likely to be a very fun sex partner.
Not that Quixote cares about female pleasure — or even female consent:
This mirrors women’s absolute lack of authentic agency and relevance in general, as growing babies in their bellies is the only thing they’re good at and it can happen whether they orgasm or not, whether they like it or not, whether they agree to it or not, whether they do anything or not. It can even happen whether they’re conscious or not.
Even shitheads who hate women generally recognize that when women enjoy sex they have more of it and that this is a good thing, human-reproduction-wise. But Quixote isn’t having any of it.
Some would say that women’s orgasms are supposed to help with pair-bonding and stuff like ovulation and getting pregnant, but that’s irrelevant outside of virgin marriage and especially in the modern context of female empowerment, where the average woman is on sterility pills and has already lost most of her pair-bonding ability through meaningless sex with countless “sexual partners” by the time she enters her twenties.
Besides, he adds, women are never really satisfied about anything.
Would women even know if they’re satisfied? Can women even feel satisfaction?
What is the benefit of satisfying women?
He ends by referring to women as “mutant r*tards that drool from both of their mouths,” which I have to admit is a phrase I’ve never heard before. So points for that I guess.
*Note: if it’s not clear already, when Quixote refers to women he means cis women. Stormers are generally huge transphobes who don’t consider trans women to be women.
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“Some would say” – that’s a cute way to gloss over people who could be actual authorities on the subject. Unlike Quixote, who is sure he has all the authority he needs to bloviate online.
Ironically, in paleolithic societies (according to both “some people” AND actual experts) women’s ability to give birth was treated as a divine power. (Joseph Campbell, et al)
Men’s abuse of women was likely treated with a spear point. (Peter Turchin, “Ultrasociety”)
Sterility pills? That’s really not what birth control.
Isn’t this the same guy who proposed starving fat people? I think that tells us all we need to know about this asshole.
Is he…giving support for gay incubi? I’m pretty sure it’s accidental, but it’s still interesting to notice. I don’t know of any mythological descriptions of gay incubi/succubi, but if anyone does have anything on this I would be interested to see it.
This calls for this song, which I know David likes:
He doesn’t seem to be aware of the fact that some people actually enjoy sex. Maybe he’s just internalized “sex is for procreation” or he is so used to using evo-psych arguments but he completely fails to recognize that enjoyment plays into people’s motivations. He makes it sound like men are just robots trying to deduce the best strategy for replicating their genes. I suppose he supports the white race because of genetic similarity. Of course technically female orgasms are not necessary for procreation, so if you have a worldview where procreation is everything and human happiness is nothing, then yeah, female orgasms are useless.
@Naglfar In the Christian ‘canon’, there are no ‘gay’ sex demons as homosexuality was considered so perverse that even demons wouldn’t do it. SMH
-Source: Malleus Maleficarum [Hammer of the Witches]
@QuantumInc
They probably don’t enjoy sex with Mr. Quixote and his ilk. Nazis who only see sex as being about reproduction probably aren’t the best partners. And if he insists on only having sex with virgins, he’s probably not going to have a great time either.
I don’t know the particulars of this fellow’s views, but I don’t think neo-Nazis put much value on personal happiness. They certainly don’t sound happy.
@Fishy Goat
I’m not surprised that there are no gay demons. Though I must admit, if you’re trying to demonize an act, having demons do it would be a good way to convey that.
Quixote: *Says that a woman’s only purpose is her uterus*
Also Quixote: *Complains that modern women have lost their pair-bonding ability*
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Pick a lane, dingus. Pick a sad, bigoted, hate-filled lane. You can’t do both.
The phrase “two-pump chump” comes to mind…
@ Fishy Goat:
Now, THERE’S an accurate source for Xian hatred!!!
@ Naglfar:
Their happiness… such as it is… comes from making other people UNhappy.
@ Nequam:
Oh, OUCHIE-POO!!!!
What are the odds that this waste of carbon is also an Incel? His general attitude towards women and his “understanding” of sex and sexuality are about the same as theirs.
But without women (and a few trans men) growing these babies (in their wombs, not their bellies), there would be no human race.
And while we’re on the subject of babies, who do you suppose will raise those babies?
As for women’s other skills, I’ve witnessed or heard of excellent female professors, MDs, judges, reporters, physical therapists, factory workers, nurses, chefs, cashiers, teachers, cartographers, artists, proofreaders, engineers, musicians, farmers, and — pretty much every task and career. The only thing women (except for some trans women) can’t do is donate sperm.
Ironically I just finished a research paper where a good portion of talked about how the misogynist of old thought that if a woman didn’t have orgasms they would lose their minds. I’m looking at you Hippocrates.
@MHC
100%, though he’d never admit to it. He probably wants us to believe that he’s drowning in young Aryan women. I’m pretty sure nothing is further from the truth.
@Kat
It seems there’s a significant number of adults who think babies are grown in stomachs. I find this rather disconcerting, but it probably is mostly a result of sex ed in this country. At least in my district we learned what a uterus is (though we notably did not learn where the clitoris is, because the teacher probably didn’t care about female pleasure either).
“Whether they agree to it or not”? And here I thought pregnancy from rape was just a feminist lie. Consistency, man.
@Naglfar
Drowning in Aryan Virgin Women. Got to remember the virginity party.
@Ooglyboggles
Of course. How could I forget?
Depends on who you’re talking about. For some women, it results in a good night’s sleep, an invaluable thing. For some, it results in a spring in their step the next day, and they know it’s the time to ask the boss for a raise. And for some, it means that they have to get married and soon — they’re in a hurry to make things official with their sexy dreamboat.
Honestly, you need to read more novels. Note that I didn’t say you need to date more — or at all. You are clearly unsuited to share any kind of activity with anything that lives.
I’m normally all in favor of scientific research and finding out more about how things work, but sometimes, I really do wish we had never questioned what used to be the orthodoxy that conception could only occur if both partners orgasmed.
It’s a problematic belief, of course, because its evil twin is “If she’s pregnant it can’t have been rape, because clearly she enjoyed it,” but at least it would shut people like this up.
(Oh, what am I saying. Nothing shuts them up. But a boy can dream. As can a girl, of course. And anyone who’s neither.)
Nazis, MGTOWs, incels…they’ve rolled up into one ugly little ball of hate.
I remember watching a TED talk with a guy who’d been deradicalised from a neo-Nazi group/idealogy, who said one of the many disturbing things was how women involved the movement would often be raped by the neo-nazi men who (in a admittedly extremely misguided and racist way) they thought would protect them.
And they wonder why they have such a problem recruiting women to the “cause”. Jesus Christ, they even wonder why Taylor Swift doesn’t like them.
@ LollyPop:
Both Katherine Graham (“Bringing the War Home”) and Michael Kimmel (“Angry White Men”) devote pages to explaining the relationship of women to the Fascist movement. Interesting
re: Taylor Swift, after the “butt-grabber” lawsuit, the igno-right shoulda been aware she is no pushover
@LollyPop, here’s an October CNN article about women in the alt-right (warning: that page has an autoplaying video). It paints a disturbing picture of the misogyny which seems to be an inevitable part of the modern far-right. Though I admit I was amused at what deadbeats these guys tend to be:
Sounds familiar!
Not to get too graphic, but having brought my share of vajayjay-possessors to climax, they definitely feel it. Hip spasms, flushed chest, joyful giggles, whole nine yards. As for utilitarian arguments, I don’t think this guy really wants to go down that path. The relationship component of sexual contact can’t be overstated, as much as these guys seek to deny it.
Furthermore, it’s also possible for dudes to dry-climax. It does happen. Happened to me once or twice.
OT, but I’ve been watching so much Jeremy the Bear that the muted “wah-wah” trombone music whenever something goofy is happening is now stuck in my head. Makes for good background music for the Jonathan Turley impeachment hearing testimony though.
@Moggie
In some ways I almost feel sorry for the women who end up in the alt right. They’re probably abused awfully by alt right men, and a lot seem to be brainwashed and/or forced into it by abusive partners.
The labor distribution interestingly reminds me of a religious fundamentalist community I read about. The men spent most of the day studying religious texts while the women worked to bring in all the money, and the men made all the rules and talked about how women shouldn’t work.
@Katamount
TMI Question: does that make it possible to have multiple orgasms? I’m not a dude, but I do have that kind of anatomy.