By David Futrelle
The Nazi boys over at The Daily Stormer have made it clear that, in the realm of ideology in any case, they’re as bad as Hitler in almost every way possible. When it comes to the Woman Question, they’re arguably worse. While Hitler preferred women relegated to the sphere of ‘Kinder, Küche, Kirche “ (children, kitchen, church), he at least pretended to respect them.
Not so the Stormers, who have previously denied women’s* basic bodily autonomy, reduced them to baby-making machines, and compared them unfavorably to dogs.
Now they’ve launched a war against the deadly menace of the female orgasm. A recent post by “Pomidor Quixote,” the site’s go-to guy for misogynistic commentary, took issue with a survey conducted by a lingerie and sex toy retailer reporting that a significant number of British women are dissatisfied with their sexual partners and wish they could have more orgasms from sex.
As far as Quixote is concerned,
Women’s orgasms are so useless and irrelevant that they’re not even popular dishes among the incubi and the succubi — both of whom would rather feed on men.
Not a good start. In addition to the misogyny, Quixote needs to brush up on his sex demon mythology. Incubi are males and feed on women. Also, they don’t exist. (It’s the succubi, of course, who are the lady sex demons — and a popular topic amongst weirdo misogynistic men, many of whom believe they’re totally real.)
Quixote continues, suggesting that only male orgasms really count::
The male orgasm results in semen expulsion, which is intended to result in pregnancy.
The alleged female orgasm results in what?
Nothing.
Anyone who refers to women’s orgasms as “alleged” isn’t likely to be a very fun sex partner.
Not that Quixote cares about female pleasure — or even female consent:
This mirrors women’s absolute lack of authentic agency and relevance in general, as growing babies in their bellies is the only thing they’re good at and it can happen whether they orgasm or not, whether they like it or not, whether they agree to it or not, whether they do anything or not. It can even happen whether they’re conscious or not.
Even shitheads who hate women generally recognize that when women enjoy sex they have more of it and that this is a good thing, human-reproduction-wise. But Quixote isn’t having any of it.
Some would say that women’s orgasms are supposed to help with pair-bonding and stuff like ovulation and getting pregnant, but that’s irrelevant outside of virgin marriage and especially in the modern context of female empowerment, where the average woman is on sterility pills and has already lost most of her pair-bonding ability through meaningless sex with countless “sexual partners” by the time she enters her twenties.
Besides, he adds, women are never really satisfied about anything.
Would women even know if they’re satisfied? Can women even feel satisfaction?
What is the benefit of satisfying women?
He ends by referring to women as “mutant r*tards that drool from both of their mouths,” which I have to admit is a phrase I’ve never heard before. So points for that I guess.
*Note: if it’s not clear already, when Quixote refers to women he means cis women. Stormers are generally huge transphobes who don’t consider trans women to be women.
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Women: are they even real? (said the budding solipsist)
During Nazi sex, if anything moves other than the penis, the man loses. If someone accidentally feels pleasure or does something human, the man loses. If the woman doesn’t feel worthless afterwards, the man loses.
You can see why men have it so much harder than women.
I’m going to interrupt this horrible Green Eggs and Ham-style rape reverie with the observation that, while women may get pregnant under a variety of conditions, zero of them require the presence of Pompadour Quixote. He’s the most irrelevant of all.
@Buttercup Q. Skullpants
And we should all hope that none of them involve him. There’s enough awful people in the world, we don’t need him producing more.
@Naglfar:
Dear me, I never thought of that!
And now that you mention it, I am growing rather warm to the idea of Mr. Pretentious Tomato hurling himself into the rotating blades of a wind turbine…
@Katamount
Maybe I’m the only one who read “possessors” as “professors.” Twice.
To you? None. But you knew that, Pomidor Quixote. And, speaking on behalf of all women, I urge you not to try. In fact, don’t try anything with any woman.
@Gaebolga:
Hardly surprising. Same happens with the modern equivalent (comic book hero origin stories), and presumably it’s part of human storyteller nature for this to happen.
Even happens with the gods, at least those of the pagan belief systems:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena
That’s almost as many alternate origins as the Joker.
Clearly there’s a single common underlying process behind all of these examples. Some mutation and evolution of narratives and characters …
@ Bina
Perhaps that’s where She Who Must be Obeyed gets her taste for watching men in armour knock seven bells out of each other with great big swords.
As for Pomidor Qixote, we can only hope someone crowdfunds him a lance and a French hoverboard so he really can tilt at a wind turbine. Well, we can dream…
@Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation:
Thanks, I didn’t know these bits of the Athena myth! As a generalized mythology geek this is much appreciated.
And one of the many benefits about satisfying women is a sense of pride and accomplishment (insert EA joke here), but unfortunately the less-than-esteemed Mister Quixote will never know it because 1- it requires a capacity for empathy and altruism that is frankly beyond him, and 2- he is likely incapable of feeling any positive emotion save the dark self-satisfaction of being the ass that he is.
@Kevin – please, can we drop the “she who must be obeyed” title here? Call your significant other pretty much anything else (I see where mrs. kevin doesn’t work the say way as it works for some of the commentors, but…) please?
I really hate this, it feeds in to the ‘women are all tyrannical, and can only be pleased by total capitulation, amirite fellas HA HA HA HAH!’ thing.
I get that you don’t mean it in a bad way. I have family members that use it. But please, please please, not here.
Slightly off-topic, but I am angry and frustrated that even those who cannot be aligned with Nazism as easily, especially those who are either not very racist or are persons of color themselves, can also have a similar attitude towards sexuality.
I understand that people have concerns of society being more and more sexualized at the cost of the wellbeing of those who are sexualized, but it doesn’t help that mainstream religious institutions want to prohibit people from conducting any form of sexual activity outside of marriage, even if consented by the adult participants.
@rv97
*sigh*
Do we really have to have this conversation again? I thought we already had this conversation in August.
@Naglfar
Thinking back from that conversation, I didn’t know whether or not those involved would be alright with people who didn’t want to save sex for marriage.
IDK if you’ve received this, but since that conversation, I was under the impression that most people were against the idea of having sex outside of marriage and procreation, religious or not.
How on earth did you get that from that discussion? People are okay if people want to have (safe and consensual) sex with consenting people. People are okay if you don’t want to have sex. People are okay if you want to have sex before, during, and after a marriage.
People’s opinions on having (secret) extra marital affairs are going to be different, because that can be a betrayal of trust in the relationship, and I only bring that up because IIRC you did (or I think you did? You weren’t being super clear) in that other thread.
I don’t think you’ll find anyone here who thinks that sex is only for procreation, and I honestly think you’ll find very few people who actually think that. They might say it, but if they’re in a relationship + married, they probably didn’t only have sex the three times it took to conceive their three kids, y’know?
The point I got from the conversation in that other thread was that you are hurting, because you are in an environment where Everyone Believes Specific Things, and you can’t see anyone there changing.
I have a story, one that I reflect on pretty often when I think about social bubbles, and how they influence what we think ‘everyone’ knows/thinks.
Once, something really great happened to me. It was the second or third really great news I had received in a short amount of time, so I went to my room mates at the time (not friends, we were random people renting rooms in a house) and said
Neither of them had ANY idea what I was talking about. Which was SO STRANGE to me! It’s the Simpsons, they were around my age, this was from ‘back when the simpsons was good’, and the people I typically hang out with would have immediately understood this cultural shorthand.
Even after explaining, it was clear they didn’t get it, and would never get it, their world just didn’t include this idea that I thought was a pretty basic meme. Our ‘bubbles’ were just too different.
But when I explained it to my friends, they all got it.
The people around you help to define your reality. If the people around you are all fundamentalist conservative people, that is what you will feel like the world is full of. It isn’t, though. Not solely.
Good luck finding a bubble that isn’t as restrictive as the one you seem to be in.
(But also, be careful of stereotyping an entire group of people based on the beliefs of a subset of it, you did that *a lot* in the linked thread, and seem to be doing it here as well, what with ‘everyone’ thinking the same thing.)
“Do you approve of sex before marriage?”
“Only if it doesn’t hold up the ceremony”
~ (c) Dave Allen 1976
I’m sorry, are you comparing not wanting certain bodies to be objectified to wanting to suppress consensual sexual activities?
@rv97
I don’t have data, but really what’s important is that you and your partner(s) are on the same page about this one. If you and your partner are on the same page, it doesn’t really matter what random other people think about premarital sex.
EDIT: Found some polling data. It looks like upwards of 90% of Americans have had premarital sex and roughly 73% think it’s acceptable. This does make about 20% of Americans out to be hypocritical on this matter, but that is to be expected that some (many?) people are hypocritical about something.
@Rhuu
When I was a young and naïve child with a very vague understanding of reproduction, I actually thought that my parents had only had sex twice to conceive me and my younger sister. It took me several years to realize that that wasn’t the case.
@rv97
Why are you so concerned with others opinion on their own personal bedroom activities? you seem to have great concern that someone out there in the world might be judging you on how you like to have sex when the only people you should be concerned about when it comes to sexual activities is the partners you have while doing it. because their comfort and pleasure should be wants important to you in that moment like yours should be important to them. it doesn’t matter what others think.
I’m always late to the party (it can’t be helped because of where I live) but I laughed out loud at Bekabot‘s comment:
So spot on!
They just had the whole No Nut November! By “they” I mean dudes all over Reddit. They apparently ejaculate all the time with no desire to create babies so orgasms are nice on their own. They know it. This is willful ignorance. Or maybe they’ve never experienced the glory of the female (I am loath to use this word anymore but it’s apt here, I suppose) orgasm.