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Confusing MGTOW meme of the day: Lion feminist

By David Futrelle

Found in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit:

So … feminism is an adult cat being bottle-fed by some random nice dude. But then it transforms instantly into a huge lion — not a lioness, but a male lion with a mane and everything — that eats the dude’s head, without even giving him the chance to change his outfit.

This makes about as much sense as those old Gateway computer ads featuring a cow with a man’s voice.

Elsewhere in the MGTOW subreddit today, a bunch of MGTOWs being racist as hell.

(Oh and sorry for posts being a little light lately; I’ve been under the weather and also my laptop seems like it’s about to die on me.)

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Lakitha
Lakitha
10 months ago

Okay, what I got from that meme was that the guy did something to piss off that lion. Perhaps he told it to smile, or tried to touch it in its bathing suit area, and being eaten was the result?

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 months ago

@Skye, if I thought I could, I might in your position maybe find a good moment to confirm that you’re using the right pronouns. I probably wouldn’t mention their presentation unless they asked you why you’re asking. Just a quick, “Hey, he/him are the right pronouns for you, right?”

But that would depend on you being in the kind of work environment where that kind of question wouldn’t cause some great kerfuffle, something that you would obviously know better than me. 🙂

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
10 months ago

@Allandrel

Preach. The anti-vax movement is fundamentally “I would rather my child die of disease than be autistic.”

Speaking as someone on the autism spectrum: I can confirm that the anti-vax crowd strongly give off that impression…. I even deconstruct exactly to them what their exact position. Anti-vaxers are some of the most anti-autistic people I have ever born witness to; tied maybe only with people who adhere to eugenics psudoscience.

Shadowplay
10 months ago

@Skye

Seconding Viscaria – when you have the opportunity and if you are comfortable doing so, asking wouldn’t hurt. Using they until that time is a good idea too

Unlike in Susan’s case, there’s not much of a power differential to worry on!

Nanny Oggs Busom
Nanny Oggs Busom
10 months ago

Er, this one makes no sense, but can’t really expect much of sense from migtoes.

I got my flu jab in October. I get them free on the NHS because asthma is not fun. Had flu a couple of times in my life. I can’t recommend it.

Also, flickery-flickery gifs mess with my autisms, or more precisely my visual processing and gives me the wigglies. I don’t want to impose but I’d prefer not to have them spring on me. The brain weasels need no encouragement.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@TacticalProgressive
I’m generally more annoyed with anti vaxxers because there are far more of them and they are the ones bringing back previously eradicated diseases like measles. I haven’t encountered many eugenicists lately.
The whole alt right is very anti autism, as evidenced by the fact that they use “autistic” as a slur. I’m pretty sure they didn’t start that, but are they ever enthusiastic about it.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
10 months ago

Oh yeah, anti vaxxers are still around. And they’re still on fucking facebook.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
10 months ago

In Ontario (at least) flu shots are pretty easy to get, they’re available at all shoppers drug marts, and they’re free! It took a bit of time to get them this year, there was a problem with production I hear, but I got it the first weekend it was available. That’s pretty good for me, especially because I really really don’t like needles.

I got into a discussion with a woman a few years ago, about how she never gets her flu shot. I pointed out how some people are immuno-compromised, and I get my shot to help them out. She told me that she just never goes into places with lots of people, so she wouldn’t infect them.

We were in the Eaton’s Centre, a few weeks before Christmas. TO make it even better, we were getting SAMPLES OF TEA at David’s Tea.
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If you can, get your flu shot. People think the flu is the cold, but it isn’t. It can really knock you for a loop!

And yeah, as soon as someone goes “BUT THE MERCURY” I’d have to check my rage. There is no mercury in single dose flu shots.

Oh wait, in Ontario at least, the flu vaccine is safe for people with egg allergies!

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YES!!! I did! ten seconds left on the timer!

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Rhuu

People think the flu is the cold, but it isn’t. It can really knock you for a loop!

Like when 100 million people worldwide died of the Spanish influenza outbreak in 1918. Colds don’t do that.

Allandrel
Allandrel
10 months ago

Back in my twenties, I had to spend a Thanksgiving in the hospital with the flu. Just a regular, seasonal case of the flu. And that was before my health crashed and I wound up on immuno-suppressant drugs!

Dreamer
Dreamer
10 months ago

As a young woman, I often didn’t get the flu shot due to a tight budget and no health insurance. Typically I’d lose a week or two in winter due to illness. When I started getting the flu shot, my week or two of illness turned into a day or two with far less weakness. One year I did get the flu despite the shot (wrong strain predicted ). Ugh. Now I keep track of second strains so I can get another shot if need be.

Kevin
Kevin
10 months ago

Thanks for the reminder. I’ve been slack about a ‘flu shot this year, what with compromised mobility, and disliking injections but I’ll get off my a**e and sort it now. I also remember having ‘flu in the early 90’s, when I was still young and otherwise in good health.Not an experience I want to repeat or would wish on anyone.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
10 months ago

I get the shot every year. In Colorado in 2003 there was a major epidemic, and 11 children died due to the combination of not getting the shot and parents sending their kids to school despite being sick.

It’s a not a damn cold.

I am not autistic but I have developmental disabilities and ADD, which they also blame on vaccines. Like we didn’t exist before the 20th century. Ableist assholes.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
10 months ago

Ok, the 11 might not be completely accurate, but it was at least 5 and maybe up to 11 by the time flu season ended. Still, even if it’s 5, that’s 5 too many.

Skye
Skye
10 months ago

Thanks everyone who responded. I appreciate it.

On anti-vaxxers, I don’t understand them at all. When my kids were born, I was terrified every time I had to take them out of the house until they were old enough to get their shots. I made sure the daycare we sent them to when I went back to work required current immunizations for teachers and children.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Skye
I honestly feel sorry for the children of anti vaxxer parents. They don’t deserve to get awful diseases and die just because they were born to parents with shit for brains. It’s child abuse/neglect if you ask me.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
10 months ago

I wonder if part of the problem the anti-vaxxers have is that the only person they can see with autism is the little boy who spins plates for hours on end to amuse himself, and can’t see no-one else who isn’t acting like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son-Rise:_A_Miracle_of_Love

The fact that the little boy eventually learns how to interact with the world, and even grows up to be a self-sufficient adult, does not compute with them.

The family involved with this case founded The Autism Treatment Center of America to help other families with autistic members, though how effective their Son-Rise program is hard to say, from what little I saw of the research about it. (I think part of the problem was just trying to properly set things up within the program perimeters, or something like that).

https://autismtreatmentcenter.org/

As an aside, I am not part of any autism groups, so I have no idea if folks with that condition consider Son-Rise on a par with Autism Speaks or not. If so, my apologies for bringing them up here.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Redsilkphoenix

I wonder if part of the problem the anti-vaxxers have is that the only person they can see with autism is the little boy who spins plates for hours on end to amuse himself, and can’t see no-one else who isn’t acting like this:

I think part of it is that they only see one possible way it can present, and choose to ignore the millions of autistic people who live productive lives and can have great achievements (see: Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, Paul Erdos, etc). But I think another part is that people are afraid of things they don’t understand, like vaccines, and will use any excuse to oppose those things.

Regarding Son-Rise, I haven’t seen the film and am not familiar with the program, so I won’t make a definitive judgement. But I will note that the plot summary has some big red flags, like their claim to have “cured” autism, or that the son is depicted as a passive victim rather than someone who has challenges but worked hard to learn to live in our world. The depiction of autistic people (and people with various other forms of neurodiversity) as helpless victims who can sometimes be saved, rather than people who triumph over challenges maybe with some help, is popular among the anti vaxxer crowd.

Also, the reference to spinning plates made me think of this, which was funny.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
10 months ago

@Naglfar,

Part of that depiction could just be a relic of its time/when the story takes place (late 1960’s – early 1970’s, with the movie debuting in 1979). I recall seeing this film on TV back when I was still a kid, and remembered that bit with the spinning plates fairly well. I think this flick is out on dvd now, so in theory might show up sometime in the discount movie bins.

Also, there is a possibility that the little boy could have been misdiagnosed as autistic, as some critics have suggested. Which is possible, given the tech and knowledge of that era; who knows what he’d be diagnosed as today with the current tech and definitions.

Snowberry
Snowberry
10 months ago

I admit that I’ve never gotten a flu shot, but that’s because there doesn’t seem to be any point. I’ve in my 40s, but never had the flu, not even while taking care of someone who had it. Either I’ve been incredibly lucky, which is not out of the realm of possibility, or the virus just doesn’t work right on me, if at all. I might be convinced to get a flu shot if it’s possible that I’m an asymptomatic carrier and a shot would help with that, but I’ve never heard of such a thing.

This is only in regards to influenza “flu”. I’ve had Gastroenteritis (“stomach flu”) a few times, and that’s really nasty.