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Crip Dyke
10 months ago

Okay, this is making me feel like a pool party.

That’s right, the SD governor’s administration has a new slogan, and it’s

Meth. We’re on it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Crip Dyke
Well, I will admit it reveals much about the state of South Dakota.
Though I do feel a bit sorry that someone charged them that much money for such a slogan. I could have given them one like it for much less. Like maybe one of these:

All about meth for you and your family

Take this meth and shove it

Just do it (Meth)

Meth and you

NDMN
NDMN
10 months ago

Hey, I’ve been reading through the articles here and a lot of the hate for women sounds like my own inner jerkbrain. Does anyone know where to go to talk about that? Suggestions for dealing with those thoughts.
I am on the fence about a lot of women’s issues, but probably because I feel inferior. Feminism seems broadly correct (if unfortunately named), but yeah, this sucks.
However there does seem to be something to the “victim consciousness” idea.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@NDMN

a lot of the hate for women sounds like my own inner jerkbrain.

Are you referring to internalized misogyny? I’m not entirely sure how to deal with the thoughts. Anyone else have ideas? We’ve discussed it here before, but I don’t recall any particular strategies.

Feminism seems broadly correct (if unfortunately named)

How is it unfortunately named? It’s from a French word for woman.

NDMN
NDMN
9 months ago

Yes, that’s it.

Well, it’s unfortunately named in that it sounds like its promoting female superiority.

kupo
kupo
9 months ago

Well, it’s unfortunately named in that it sounds like its promoting female superiority.

In what way does it sound like that?

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 months ago

I am on the fence about a lot of women’s issues, but probably because I feel inferior.

I am medium-inclined at best (AT BEST) to offer advice to someone who thinks I have a victim mentality and we should have called it “We would maybe like some rights, please, but only if you’re in the mood, and by the way men are still great we really love men”-ism, but I’ll try anyway.

In order to potentially help, I need a better understanding of who you feel inferior to and how those feelings relate to feminism. Do you feel inferior to women? Other men that you believe are more successful with women? The classical ideal of a man who is dominant over women? How does “I feel bad about myself” lead to “Women should maybe not have some rights”?

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
9 months ago

Well, it’s unfortunately named in that it sounds like its promoting female superiority.

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Feminism came about because women were not considered full people, under the law, in society, at all. It has grown to encompass a lot of things, and intersectional feminism is all about how our various axis of oppression/advantage interact – so it can encompass things like racism, homophobia, classism, transphobia, etc etc etc.

You might not like the term, but it is telling that pretty much any ‘equal’-isms are typically a reaction against the gains of feminism, with much the same justification.

“Feminism means Women Will Rule Over Men, like men have ruled over women! We can’t have that!”

There is a subset of PoC who don’t like the term ‘feminism’, it’s true. They use a different one that I am COMPLETELY blanking on! I’m so sorry, a quick google didn’t bring it up. Anyway, the reason they dislike ‘feminism’ as a term is because it has, so SO often, meant that their concerns had to be put on the back burner.

For instance, white women got the vote before any First Nations, Inuit, or Asian person in Canada. Black men and women also got the vote when white women did, but Canada didn’t really let many black people in for a very long time, so maybe that was seen as acceptable for that reason?

Federal authorities first granted a limited female franchise in 1917. In 1918, this was expanded to include most women. However, Asian women and men were left out and were not included until after the Second World War. Indigenous women and men living on reserves — and most everywhere else as well — were viewed as wards of the Crown under the Indian Act, and were excluded from the vote across Canada, except in rare cases, until 1960 (see Enfranchisement). After enslavement was abolished in 1834, Black women and men were not formally excluded as a group from the Canadian franchise.

Source.

You also have TERFs being absolute shitheels about trans people, and calling it feminism. (I reject them, and all their shitty ideologies. They can go sit on a tack.)

So, while the term ‘feminism’ has history, and legit reasons for people to not like it/using it, saying “it sounds like it promotes ‘female superiority'” is one hundo not one of them.

Congrats on coming back, btw. Good luck finding a space to untangle your own internalised misogyny, that shit is hard to detangle.

ETA: this space might be that space, but we’ll see how you reply. U__U

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Rhuu,
Sounds like you’re referring to womanism?

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Rhuu

There is a subset of PoC who don’t like the term ‘feminism’, it’s true. They use a different one that I am COMPLETELY blanking on!

Do you mean womanism? Popularized by Alice Walker.

Edit: ninja’ed by WWTH

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
9 months ago

@WWTH and @Naglfar – Thank you!

Oops, and my post should have said “From my understanding, one of the reasons they don’t like ‘feminism’ is because their needs have been put on the back burner.”

I don’t know enough about Womanism to know the history or any of that, this is just what I gathered from some references a while ago. U_U I’ll try to look it up more!

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Rhuu
To get you started:
Alice Walker coined the term in Coming Apart, an anti porn tract she wrote.
She later described it as

A woman who loves other women, sexually and/or nonsexually. Appreciates and prefers women’s culture, women’s emotional flexibility … and women’s strength. … Committed to survival and wholeness of entire people, male and female. Not a separatist, except periodically, for health … Loves music. Loves dance. Loves the moon. Loves the Spirit … Loves struggle. Loves the folk. Loves herself. Regardless. Womanist is to feminist as purple is to lavender.
Source

Disclaimer: I’m not a huge fan of Walker because she has lately promoted a lot of antisemitic conspiracy theories. That doesn’t mean we should ignore her contributions to feminist thought, but it is worth keeping in mind that she has some questionable views.