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Incels are starting new subreddits to evade their Reddit ban. And their posts are as ugly as ever.

From r/CommunityCels

By David Futrelle

Hey, remember a little over a month ago when Reddit banned the Braincels subreddit — the the site’s main hangout for incels — as well as an assortment of other hateful subs?

Well, the incels are back, posting their repugnant nonsense in a bunch of new subreddits as well as in several that never were banned in the first place. The most active of the new batch seems to be the 22-day-old CommunityCels. But there are eight other incel-related subreddits that remain unbanned, including new ones like ArabCels (21 days old) and ProudMaleFeminists (22 days old), as well as several older ones (including ShortCels, TruestCel and IncelsWithoutHate) that somehow avoided the ban a month ago.

Have the commenters in these subs toned it down a little to avoid a future ban? Not exactly. Here are some recent posts from CommunityCels.

Same old same old.

I thought this one from TruestCel was nice, too.

Hey Reddit admins, do you have anything to say about this?

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MJ
MJ
1 year ago

Report, report, report.

The reddit admins always go through whack-a-mole times after problem subreddits get banned. They need users to keep up with reporting the new mole holes.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
1 year ago

Briefly, there was a sub that claimed that the I in LGBTQIA stood for Incel. They were, of course, homophobic and transphobic, while claiming to be oppressed by anyone that criticized them. That was the most ‘fun’ since 4-channers pretended that there was a movement to add a P for pedophilia.

Viscaria
Viscaria
1 year ago

Wolfpill, dogpill, cactuspill. You know, my dudes, women don’t need to have sex with dogs or plants or old tractor tires in order to not have sex with you. We have the ability to both not fuck you and not abuse our pets.

Bina
1 year ago

Dudes who complain about the (imagined) appearance of sexually active cis women’s genitalia have no business saying they themselves are being discriminated against on the basis of their looks. It’s not your faces that make you ugly and unlovable, dudes…catch a fucking clue.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

So, I just changed my Twitter handle to Old Roast Beef Whore.
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Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

Just out of curiosity, what does IncelsWithoutHate look like? I imagine it’s the most hateful of the bunch, because this is Reddit.

@LindsayIrene
I’ve also heard trolls try to claim that the P in LGBTQIPA is for pedophiles (it’s actually for pansexual or polyamorous depending on who you ask).

Why do the incels not just go to places like Incels.me, where they wouldn’t have to make so many sockpuppet subreddits to keep going? What’s so special about Reddit?

HellaDea
HellaDea
1 year ago

Sad that the only place they have a back bone is on the internet

Anon Get-It-On
Anon Get-It-On
1 year ago

Oh, just when you think these misogynists can’t get any lower, they find a new low:

https://promalecollective.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/incel-is-just-a-pejorative-used-in-excatly-the-same-way-like-the-pejorative-ner-or-they-will-call-you-incel-even-if-you-are-not-one/

(Trigger Warning for use of the N-word racial slur!!!)

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Anon Get-It-On
I find it interesting that article that the author compares a feminist to a Jordan Peterson fan pejoratively. You’d think a lot of the readers of that blog are Petersonites.

I checked r/IncelsWithoutHate. At a glance, it seems a bit less openly hateful (thread names don’t contain slurs, etc; but low bar), but if you actually check the threads they are still pretty misogynistic.
I also looked at r/ProudMaleFeminists, which appears to be a sort of parody of what a bunch of incels would imagine progressive men to be like. As can be expected, it is also virulently misogynistic and racist, and has no real bearing on reality. I don’t think anyone would be fooled other than the types of people who created it. It appears to exist as consolation, to mock male feminists and make incels feel better about themselves.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

I’m trying to imagine how a cactus would score on Heartiste’s SMV quiz.

-1 for manblossoms
-1 for inability to bench press more than 8 ounces
-1 for never being a captain of a sports team
+1 for having vicious spines in case there’s a bar fight.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

We’ve had a couple of incels over the years come in here and tell us that Not All Incels are terrible, just look at r/IncelsWithoutHate! It’s totally unfair to label incels as hateful, misogynistic and dangerous when they’re really just sad dudes who can’t get laid.

These incels tend to disappear pretty quickly when anyone looks at that subreddit and provides plenty of proof that the subreddit is plenty hateful.

Why do the incels not just go to places like Incels.me, where they wouldn’t have to make so many sockpuppet subreddits to keep going?

Reddit has a larger userbase and they can use it to more easily radicalize recruit more members.

Patriot1
Patriot1
1 year ago

Incels are just the male version of feminazis.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Catalpa

Reddit has a larger userbase and they can use it to more easily radicalize recruit more members.

I presume that’s why white supremacist/fascist types like it so much as well.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

If you want more people to join your echo chamber, you need people to be able to find it. Withdrawing from the world may be tempting, but it’s also a recipe for gradually fading from existence. I mean, it’s always possible that people can find you via meatspace socializing, but most incels are terrible at that. It’s part of the reason why they’re incels in the first place.

Pie
Pie
1 year ago

@Patriot1

Incels are just the male version of feminazis.

What’s a feminazi? How many killing sprees have they been on?

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

Incels exists. Feminazis don’t. I suspect it’s a big difference.

Amtep
Amtep
1 year ago

It’s interesting, because this is the first time I’ve seen “feminazi” used seriously in years. The term fell out of favor with the right, after Trump was elected and nazis became very fine people again.

It actually makes me think that Patriot1 wasn’t serious but was trying for a Poe.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Patriot1
You’re probably never going to respond, but I’ll give you my response anyway.

Incels are just the male version of feminazis.

So, assuming you meant “feminists” because feminazi is a word Rush Limbaugh made up. The thing is, there already is a male version of feminists. We call them male feminists. This blog is maintained by one. He (and other male feminists) have yet to kill anyone.

As well, if the two were equivalent, you would expect that the rhetoric would sound the same. I’ve never heard any feminist say anything like the thread names above. There’s a great website called regender.com that swaps the pronouns and names in a text. If incels and feminists were equivalent, you would assume that the gender swapped version of one would sound like the other, but they don’t. No feminist is nearly as bitter and angry as incels. Feminists don’t start long forum discussions about how all men are “roast beef whores” or how Stacy is taking all the men.

@Snowberry

If you want more people to join your echo chamber, you need people to be able to find it. Withdrawing from the world may be tempting, but it’s also a recipe for gradually fading from existence.

Ergo, I should hope that more withdraw from the world, to stop their recruitment drives. Unfortunately, the internet is optimized to help with radicalization, so they’ll still be recruiting.

@Amtep

It’s interesting, because this is the first time I’ve seen “feminazi” used seriously in years. The term fell out of favor with the right, after Trump was elected and nazis became very fine people again.

I’ve noticed the same thing. The right didn’t want to offend real Nazis, so they stopped using the term. I’ve seen it a few times from leftover GamerGaters, but AFAICT even Rush Limbaugh has abandoned it. Though I do recall some trolls here comparing feminists to Nazis, like Richard here.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
1 year ago

I still hear it used on the regular in places like South Dakota.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

In France, too. Usually used by people that really should know better, AKA who aren’t anywhere as bitter or stupid as the far right extremists, but think there is somehow an equivalency between the left and the right.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

(which is why I say they don’t exist : all references I see to “feminazi” point to imaginary versions of feminists made to be as bad as far righters. They point to fantasm more than to real persons)

Teabug
1 year ago

I take my roast beef on wholegrain buttered toast with thinly sliced, raw onion, some mayo and a sprinkling of herbal salt. Definitely no flaps or cacti. It’s delicious and hate free.

Nequam
Nequam
1 year ago

I fancy it on sourdough with blue cheese, mixed greens, and basil aioli.

Teabug
1 year ago

Fancy pants 😃

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

It’s delicious and hate free.

The cows might beg to differ.

https://www.kinderworld.org/videos/meat-industry/cow-slaughter/

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Teabug

Definitely no flaps or cacti.

Well, if you ever decide you do want cacti in a sandwich, it is possible to eat cacti (although the author of the blog I linked did not think highly of the experience).

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
1 year ago

Huh. I had some cacti in a salad once, and my main impression was that it was . . . chewy. Maybe it was a different variety.

Another Laura
Another Laura
1 year ago

I very carefully and gingerly picked some prickly pear and tried to prepare it once, following the YouTube instructions on how to de-prickle it. After several hours of using tape to remove the microscopic needles from my hands, I used tongs to carefully and gingerly wrap the remains in several layers of newspaper before depositing the remains in the trash. Anyone eating cactus has to really, really hungry!

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
1 year ago

And just to randomly combine comment subjects, here’s an article about two men in Mexico who make leather from prickly pear cactus:

https://vegnews.com/2019/11/two-guys-in-mexico-just-created-vegan-leather-from-cactus

Wandering Jewterus
Wandering Jewterus
1 year ago

This is just my opinion of course, but I have yet to encounter a method of preparation that makes cactus remotely palatable. Roasted is the most common I’ve found, and as far as I can tell, the best way to serve cactus is seasoned to the point where you’re primarily tasting the seasoning rather than any inherent flavour of the cactus. That leaves the texture, which as others have suggested, would be charitably described as “chewy”.

That said, please take my opinion with a generous grain of salt, as I rank cactus right up there with sweet potatoes as one of the more unpleasant culinary experiences I’ve had the misfortune to try multiple times.

Yes, I know. I hate sweet potatoes in every form. Let the cries of shock and dismay begin.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

@Wandering Jewterus
I am so saddened by your tastes. :(((((((((

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

I’ve eaten cactus candy (a sort of pectin based jelly flavored with prickly pear syrup) and enjoyed it, but I haven’t eaten actual cactus. Based on what I’m hearing, I’m not missing much.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I only like sweet potatoes in fry or gnocchi form. Otherwise, hard pass. I’m actually not fond of Thanksgiving food at all. Turkey and stuffing, meh. Sweet potatoes and yams, gross. Pumpkin pie? Also gross.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@WWTH

Turkey and stuffing, meh. Sweet potatoes and yams, gross. Pumpkin pie? Also gross.

I feel the same way about thanksgiving food. I don’t eat turkey or stuffing because I’m a vegetarian, I like potatoes but hate mashed potatoes (the texture), and I don’t eat the yams. The only thanksgiving food I like at all is the chocolate pecan pie.

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
1 year ago

The thing is, there already is a male version of feminists. We call them male feminists.

I just call them feminists. Some feminists happen to be male. ::shrug::

The fruits of prickly pear cactus are delicious, although terribly full of inedible seeds, once you get past the spines (by fire or rolling them in sand). Probably why people usually make jam, jelly or candies from them. I used to pick a few low growing fruits from a plant I passed on my way to work (not on private property). I’ve never eaten the leaves or nopales, though I’ve seen them at the grocery store.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

I’ve had store-bought pickled nopalitos before. Aside from the “pickled” part, it was basically flavorless.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

Can’t they just ban the users as well as the subreddits? They’re already proving to be repeat offenders, and it’ll stop them from making more.

Jen
Jen
1 year ago

I’m envious that you think “feminazi” has fallen out of favor. I still get accused of it on a regular basis when I make the mistake of interacting with men on Facebook who don’t like hearing about toxic masculinity.

Bina
1 year ago

@Idiot1:

Incels are just the male version of feminazis.

Feminazis aren’t real. They do not exist, therefore they have no power to harm anyone.

Incels, on the other hand, are all TOO real. Some of them have gone on killing sprees. We’re all wondering (and dreading) when the next one will be.

Please learn to distinguish between your imagination and the facts before commenting further, anywhere.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Alan

I can’t phrase it as well nor find the original source (which was in Norwegian), but there was an article wherein someone reported that a study was done which found people were more comfortable with the idea of eating fish than land mammals because they could not make noise. The author then exhorted people to “be the screaming fish” and make a difference. Anyway, it was all much more gracefully written than I can relate, and my main point here was to thank you for being the screaming fish on behalf of the cows.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ Big Titty Demon

Thank you; although I don’t do much. Especially compared to some of my friends who take direct action in liberating animals.

But yeah, there’s the slogan about being ‘a voice for the voiceless‘; but many animals do have voices. I’ve lived on a couple of dairy farms. One of the most heartbreaking sounds in the world is the crying of the cows when their calfs are removed after birth. It goes on for days. And the farms have to put up barricades because the mothers break out and go looking for their (now dead) babies. 🙁

https://www.kinderworld.org/videos/dairy-industry/baby-cows-slaughter-dairy-industry/

(I’m sure I don’t need to explain to anyone here that cows only produce milk when they’ve given birth. So they have to be kept in a constant cycle of pregnancy and calving. But of course the calfs can’t drink the milk because that’s needed to sell for humans to use; so they have to be killed straight away.)

The dairy cows themselves though don’t exactly have an easy time of it.

https://www.kinderworld.org/videos/dairy-industry/udder-flaming-cows/

As for fish, there’s even a supposed ethical stance called ‘seaganism’; where it’s ok to eat them so long as they’re from sustainable sources; but of course…

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/

And that’s been today’s dose of animal rights haranguing.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Jen

I’m envious that you think “feminazi” has fallen out of favor. I still get accused of it on a regular basis when I make the mistake of interacting with men on Facebook who don’t like hearing about toxic masculinity.

I’m sorry that that is still happening to you. What I meant was that I personally had been hearing it less because conservatives are trying to cater to actual Nazis and God forbid they associate feminists (good people) with them.

@Bina

Please learn to distinguish between your imagination and the facts before commenting further, anywhere.

That would be good advice for the manosphere and the right wing as a whole. They seem to have a very hard time distinguishing those two things.

@Big Titty Demon

be the screaming fish

I feel like that should be the title of my next solo album. It’s just a good phrase.

There are some fish that do make loud sounds, like the gulf corvina, but this apparently causes problems for them.

Regarding fish and pain, I’ve never eaten fish even before I was a vegetarian because I didn’t want to get mercury poisoning (but I do eat seaweed, supposedly it has less mercury), but I’m not surprised fish feel pain. I mean, they have brains and nervous systems, so it makes sense.

Hambeast
Hambeast
1 year ago

I’m also burnt out on Thanksgiving meals although I do like stuffing any time of year and enjoy the occasional green bean casserole. I’ll eat potatoes, but hate cooking them; I’m more of a rice and pasta gal. I hate all things pumpkin and pumpkin spice. I’d rather eat cactus.

Pumpkin spice itself might not be so bad, but I’ve been fooled too many times by products that also have pumpkin, so down with it all!

I will also eat sweet potatoes and yams but only with butter and salt or fries with ranch dressing, preferably from the Black Bear Diner. I spent most of my life thinking I hated sweet potatoes, but it was actually any sort of sweetened sweet potatoes that are objectionable. They’re already sweet, it’s right in the name!

re: feminazis – If they’re the incel equivalent and if they exist, please point out all of the “supreme gentlewomen” of the group, the Andrea Breviks and so on. I’ll wait.

Cats In Shiny Hats
Cats In Shiny Hats
1 year ago

I cannot eat sweet potato, I am severely allergic to it.

As far as “feminazi” goes, I haven’t heard it much lately either. Even when I did, though, the users didn’t claim that the people they were using it on were likely to drive a vehicle into pedestrians.

Aaron
Aaron
1 year ago

As far as “feminazi” goes, I haven’t heard it much lately either.

Part of the reason for this may be that a certain segment of the right seems to have recently decided that the Nazis weren’t so bad actually.

Cats In Shiny Hats
Cats In Shiny Hats
1 year ago

@Aaron – you’re probably right.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Alan
My parents sometimes bought milk from a small local dairy. By small, I mean they had two cows. We used to pet them while they grazed in the pasture, just a few yards away from the farmhouse. When a cow gave birth, we couldn’t buy milk because the calf had to drink the milk. The milk was unhomogenized, so the cream would rise to the top.

I know that any kind of dairy farm is bad for the cows, but factory farms are the worst, worst, worst.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

Brand new subreddits, same old incels, same old instructions to readers to rope, i.e., kill themselves. Same guys who simultaneously threaten to murder us and fret that we don’t want to date them. Same guys trying to frighten us about getting old.

Cry me a river, boys.

ColeYote
ColeYote
1 year ago

I too would rather have sex with a wolf than an incel. This is not because I particularly want to have sex with a wolf.

(Of the non-anthropomorphic variety, anyway)

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@ColeYote
Your comment reminded me of this sketch by Kiki Smith:
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I learned about it in an art history class I took a few years ago.