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A bunch of creepy vintage Halloween cards because why not?

By David Futrelle

Our great- great- (great?) grandparents were kind of fucked up, at least if these were the sorts of things they sent each other on Halloween.

Black cats rule the night
My cat can’t do this, alas.
I don’t know what this little girl is planning but it can’t be good

Just hanging with my besties
They clean up nice
Halloween Chad impressing the Stacies with his big pumpkin head

Poke it with a stick
Looks like some sort of alien abduction situation

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Malitia
Malitia
10 months ago

Viscaria wrote on
November 1, 2019 at 2:27 pm:

*Was there a baby boom in other parts of the world post-WWII?

Well in Hungary… kinda? There was a short (1949-53) abortion ban enacted by our state communist government somewhat after WWII (“Ratkó korszak” named after the relevant minister of health) which resulted in more kids being born.

Unsurprisingly this generation (and their kids) don’t want more children, which leads to constant pearl clutching about imminent demographic collapse by our right wing.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
10 months ago

@Moggie

I think I’m missing the point or the joke, I’m not seeing a problem with that future. No-Face is awesome.

kupo
kupo
10 months ago
Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
10 months ago

@kupo

Oh thanks, I didn’t know that meme. I can confirm, that is the future that this liberal wants. <3 But also the No-Face future, No-Face is my fave.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@David
Haven’t heard of him, but he looks full of mockable tweets (and semen). Is he tonight’s entertainment?

EDIT: Read his Medium posts. He’s also ridiculous there.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
10 months ago

In Finland there was a brief, strong baby boom during the late 1940s, known as “The large cohorts”. They used to rule the society until recently, but by now I think most of the wealth and cultural influence is held by somewhat younger people.

Moggie
Moggie
10 months ago

@David:

Hey, does anyone know anything about this guy? Is he like a crypto guru or something?

Maybe ping reddragdiva: he may know of this guy.

The Venn diagram of cryptocurrency enthusiasts and misogynists has a lot of overlap, I think.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
10 months ago

@Moggie:
Heh. I saw Spirited Away at a local repertory theatre here in Toronto, in late December while another friend was back in town for Christmas. When the group of us entered the theatre, it was a cold, clear, dry night.

When we exited the theatre, there was thick fluffy snow drifting down, and enough of a layer of snow that the sidewalks and road were pretty much completely white.

Anybody who’s seen the movie should understand why we all just stopped on the sidewalk and stared at the world which had completely changed while we were inside.

Aleks
Aleks
10 months ago

@Sam Katz

Look, I use a nickname here because universities have issues with social media and the implication that someone in their employ is using the university’s name to act as their bona fides and authority without their approval. So I use a nickname. Not because I’m hiding something, but because that’s part of how my job as an academic works. I don’t get to use my legal name and all my credentials online unless I’m representing a university in a professional capacity. Not just posting online.

So please, stop calling me a coward. I’m not. I’m following social media policy for my work as an academic and a historian. You’d be surprised how many of us have to do this, especially in the States.

For the rest of your argument, posting racist images from the early 20th century is part and parcel of the racism that is festering today and killing PoC, especially Black folks. Black children are seen as less innocent than their white counterparts, and that is directly because of their treatment in media — from 19th century print media to internet memes and crime shows today. Posting those images without context or acknowledgement of how they perpetuate the deadly racism that you used for one-upsmanship in concerns contributes to the death toll be reinforcing the racism they helped shape. This blog is a place where people are held accountable for the things they say, and that is a kind of safety, especially for marginalised people who rarely see privileged folk have any kind of consequences for the garbage they spew. (And just so you know, I’m also Jewish, I’m trans, I’m queer, and I’m mixed race. So yes, I’m also a damned minority, thank you.)

I did not make my observation about the racism in the last postcard to have it taken down. I made the observation so that we can talk about it, acknowledge it, and look hard at how current Halloween media continues to be racist. Which is work that white-presenting Jews also have to do, as do all non-Black folks when it comes to anti-Blackness. I’m not censoring your precious postcards. I’m asking that we look at them with a lens of historical and social awareness, rather than as “artifacts from a different time with no impact on today or commonalities with today at aaaaalllll.” History is not disconnected from our own reality. Especially not something scarcely a century past, when we’re still living in the fallout of Jim Crow. This is relevant now. And chalking it up to “bad art” or “unintentional” is whitewashing the insidious ways anti-Black racism seeped into every part of media and culture for nearly all of the 19th and 20th centuries in America.

But since I’m anonymous, I suppose my opinion doesn’t matter.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
10 months ago

@David:
Never heard of him, though the fact that he uses ‘de Medici’ as part of his name is a potential red flag on its own. And the few dozen tweets over the last few hours includes a whole lot of Semen Retention claptrap.

The medium page linked from the bio has its own… delights? Even if it hasn’t been updated since April. Looks like he’s something of a ‘blockchain==magic’ person. (And I say this as somebody who actually studied cryptography back in University under a professor who had done a fair bit of work in Elliptic Curve encryption.)

Though the idea that ‘Crypto is subject to intense psychological manipulation given the strength ideologies exert on users.’… methinks somebody’s word salad needs to be tossed a few more times.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Moggie

The Venn diagram of cryptocurrency enthusiasts and misogynists has a lot of overlap, I think.

Probably because (g)libertarians love cryptocurrency, and most (g)libertarians are misogynists.

@Jenora Feuer

Crypto is subject to intense psychological manipulation given the strength ideologies exert on users

I have pretty little knowledge of cryptocurrency, so maybe it’s just me, but that quote makes no sense. Is it trying to say that the currency’s psychological state can be manipulated by user ideologies, or is it saying that people are being manipulated by ideologies around cryptocurrencies? The second makes more sense, seeing as currencies don’t have minds, but the first seems to more literally translate what he said.

kupo
kupo
10 months ago

Cryptocurrency is a giant pyramid scheme, so of course there is overlap with nofap ideology. People susceptible to one grift are likely to be drawn in by another.

TwoDozenWitches
TwoDozenWitches
10 months ago

Hey this is OT, but I came across two of those “It’s Okay To Be White” posters around my apartment building, which is less than a mile from the UMN-Twin Cities campus, and I was wondering if there was a website or something that documents these things when they crop up. I took pictures before taking them down and was curious as to whether or not I could send them somewhere.

I also came across these other posters taped up around the Twin Cities campus, which you can find on what looks to be a sceevy blog at this address:

(I’m a newer commemter here, so I’m sorry if I messed up that link!)

I’ll admit that I’m not super familiar with BDS, but a preliminary Google search says that it’s a group that is interested in fighting for the rights of Palestinians in Israea , and nothing I found on its official page appears anti-semetic. Their About page says (and I’m so sorry if I fucked up the blockquote);

BDS is an inclusive, anti-racist human rights movement that is opposed on principle to all forms of discrimination, including anti-semitism and Islamophobia

If you (understandably) don’t want to click the link, the poster misquotes Rep. Omar, puts her image next to Hitler, says that BDS wants to “finish what Hitler started,” and then lists the “top colleges that deserve the reutation of supporting Jewish hate.” So yeah, I doubt the #StopJewHate on these posters are sincere. It reminds me a bit of concern trolling, and many of you lovely commenters here have pointed out that a lot of alt-right types mask their anti-semitism with support for Israel. I can’t tell if they’re supposed to be some alt-righty’s attempt to muddy BDS’s message to less informed students, or if it’s a stupid trolling attempt by Nazi dickheads. I’d love to know what you all think.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

I think you mean Halloween Cuphead DLC.

Catalpa
Catalpa
10 months ago

Well, I’m pretty sure that Sam is fine by now, but this but here betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what the comments policy and the culture cultivated on this blog is meant to do:

As for the big protection racket — (i.e. “We’re trying to protect people, so that minority voices can feel free to speak up”) — apparently that does not apply to female, Jewish, 4’11”, 64 year olds. I am a minority, in case math isn’t your strong point.

The point is not that anyone who is a minority will 100% of the time be free to say whatever they want with no consequences.

The point is that people who have been marginalized for aspects of their identity should not be made to feel unwelcome/harmed/further marginalized BECAUSE of that aspect of their identity. So racism, ableism, sexism, etc, that shit doesn’t fly here.

However, that doesn’t mean that people of marginalized demographics cannot be criticized for other things. If there’s an incel dude who’s black, he’s still part of a virulently misogynistic and hateful movement, and being black does not exempt him from critism of said virulent misogyny. (There is admittedly some problematic trends within society that result in minorities being far more harshly criticized for behavior that more privileged people get away with doing all the time, but the commentariat of this blog generally try to be aware of this bias.)

Honestly, the “checkmate, leftists! You can’t disagree with me because I’m more marginalized than you!” thing is ringing a lot of right-wing alarm bells in my head. This seems to be their level of understanding of intersectionalism.

Valentin
Valentin
10 months ago

Honestly, the “checkmate, leftists! You can’t disagree with me because I’m more marginalized than you!” thing is ringing a lot of right-wing alarm bells in my head. This seems to be their level of understanding of intersectionalism.

I see this reaction often in people who don’t know very much about social justice or dont use internet very much. Like my parents. If I try to talk about racism, or anti-black racism, or white privilege or queer identity, often my parents will make it about the own parts of their identity which is marginalised. My mum will talk about how she was a minority in her career because she is a woman. My dad will talk about how his family is exploited. Both will talk about poverty. It is like they have to change the direction of the conversation away from discussing their privilege as white (and now not poor) people because it makes them uncomfortable.

The only other time I see people use the identity argument is when they are trolls and they are trying to shut down the conversation because they believe that people who care about social justice think that if someone is marginalised they can never do anything wrong. But of course that is not true, and usually it is embarrassing for the troll even if they don’t realise it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Valentin

The only other time I see people use the identity argument is when they are trolls and they are trying to shut down the conversation because they believe that people who care about social justice think that if someone is marginalised they can never do anything wrong.

That was basically the point of #NotYourShield. Idiot conservative trolls thought that somehow progressives would not condemn someone’s behavior if they were a minority. This is obviously not the case.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
10 months ago

@Naglfar and Valentin:

I think it also comes from an idea that we aren’t allowed to disagree. Like if I say something like, “as a woman I feel bla bla bla” it gets treated as some kind of declaration and all other AFAB people are somehow required to think the same thing.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Yutolia

Like if I say something like, “as a woman I feel bla bla bla” it gets treated as some kind of declaration and all other AFAB people are somehow required to think the same thing.

And it also happens when you get vocal extreme outliers of a minority like Ben Shapiro, where people then come to believe that all Jews believe what he does. I’ve had conservatives argue with me by saying “Ben Shapiro thinks X, you should agree with him because you’re both Jewish.” I don’t agree with Ben Shapiro on anything really, and I find him repulsive.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
10 months ago

There’s also the “lived experience” angle. Some conservatives seem to think that, say, Tomi Lahren could go on TV and say “As a woman, I feel strongly that 2 + 2 = 5. Checkmate, libtards! Now you can’t disagree without getting your progressive cards revoked for mansplaining in the first degree, but you can’t agree without getting all your math wrong for the rest of your lives, which the IRS especially is likely to find amusing.”

Needless to say, it doesn’t actually work like that …

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
10 months ago

@Naglfar and Surplus: so true! I’ve also heard it in the form of, “well, my black/female/LGBT/disabled/etc friend said this about bla bla bla issue” and then treat it like that trumps any kind of disagreement.

Not Your Shield, indeed…

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
10 months ago

Surplus… wrote:

There’s also the “lived experience” angle. Some conservatives seem to think that, say, Tomi Lahren could go on TV and say “As a woman, I feel strongly that 2 + 2 = 5. Checkmate, libtards! Now you can’t disagree without getting your progressive cards revoked for mansplaining in the first degree, but you can’t agree without getting all your math wrong for the rest of your lives, which the IRS especially is likely to find amusing.”

Needless to say, it doesn’t actually work like that …

You’re correct, of course, but I think that for a number of the more virulent conservatives, that sort of mindset is how things work. They do some really stupid, pointless, self-damaging shit just to “own the libs,” and this seems like they expect us to react the same way.

They don’t seem to understand what principles are, which I suppose is unsurprising given that they have none themselves….

Allandrel
Allandrel
10 months ago

You’re correct, of course, but I think that for a number of the more virulent conservatives, that sort of mindset is how things work. They do some really stupid, pointless, self-damaging shit just to “own the libs,” and this seems like they expect us to react the same way.

They don’t seem to understand what principles are, which I suppose is unsurprising given that they have none themselves….

“But the only measure that he knows is desire, desire for power; and so he judges all hearts.” – Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings

Valentin
Valentin
10 months ago

I think it also comes from an idea that we aren’t allowed to disagree.

I think this is because for right wing/alt right/fascists/racist they *can’t* disagree. The ideology must be pure to them because it is not truth, it doesn’t try to search for the truth, it is for what makes them feel good. So they must believe all the same things about white people, Black and POC people, same things about LGBTQIA people. There is a specific thing you must all think to be in these horrible communities. But people who seek social justice seek for truth and they seek for the goal to end oppression. So they must criticise and disagree and discuss and also stop harmful behaviour.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
10 months ago

@Valentin:

Yeah, it seems like they have to do what Dear Leader tells them. It’s why they keep accusing us of the same thing.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
10 months ago

All of this aside, I was just looking at those cards again and… why the fuck is Satan fighting a pumpkin-creature?

ObSidJag
ObSidJag
10 months ago

@@Yutolia (re the pumpkin creature/devil card):

I didn’t take that one so much as the two were fighting as the devil was trying to harvest a Jack-o-lantern. If you notice in the card’s background, there’s another devil chasing a different pumpkin creature.

So my guess is the devils were out hunting decorations for the Gates of Hell.

ObSidJag
ObSidJag
10 months ago

Also, FWIW, I like the vintage Halloween cards because they’re different and somewhat creepy. They remind me of some of the Halloween ephemera from my childhood when Halloween imagery still had an edge to it.

And I would definitely collect some of these, but they’re a little out of my budget (& I have far too much in the way of material items now as it is–& definitely need to start decluttering). I have an entire room in my house I can barely get into as it looks like the ending sequence of Citizen Kane.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
10 months ago

@Valentin:

I think this is because for right wing/alt right/fascists/racist they *can’t* disagree. The ideology must be pure to them because it is not truth

Sometimes it seems like the difference is that right wingers have a form of religion: an unquestionable doctrine of received wisdom. While what we do on the left is much more like science: our beliefs are contingent and subject to revision based on new evidence.

RO
RO
10 months ago

Always interest to see old school stuff. Hugs, RO