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Stefan Molyneux throws down the gauntlet to … wine moms?

By David Futrelle

Everybody’s favorite racist, lady-hating philosopher-impersonator has found a new target for his wrath: wine moms.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1187036101451616256
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1187037418471510016

Well, he’s right about one thing: Women do indeed drink more wine than men — 57% percent of the total, according to the Wine MArket Council. And female drinking has increased dramatically in recent years.

But if Stefan were truly interested in pointing out the problems caused by parental drinking — as he insists he is — he wouldn’t just point his finger at mothers. While women drink more wine, men drink more alcohol in general; they’re twice as likely to binge drink and nearly twice as likely to be alcoholics. Wine mom, meet Booze dad.

But don’t worry, moms and moms-to-be! Stefan still wants you to have more babies, at least if you’re not a Muslim immigrant. Or someone with a job. Shortly after he posted his attack on wine moms, he posted these helpful tips for The Ladies:

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1186754205219983361
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1186793390974947330

So chop chop, Ladies, start popping out those babies as fast as you can. Just don’t pop open any bottles of wine when the little buggers have you at wits end.

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Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
1 year ago

Of all the weird things to get affected by toxic masculinity, wine drinking has to be up there. Apparently fewer men see it as a “masculine” drink so they won’t touch it and companies have had to resort to selling it in cans in hope of getting them to drink it more.

Not that this in entirely on men. I rarely watch it, but I had The Social (a Canadian daytime show hosted by women) on one day and they were discussing men and wine, and one of the hosts said she couldn’t be with a man who drank out of a wine glass because she didn’t see it as manly.

This is where we are now as a society. I’m waiting to see men turn away from Christianity because that SJW Jesus turned water into wine instead of beer.

Nequam
Nequam
1 year ago

Shorter Stefan Molyneux:

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Castrating Harpy
Castrating Harpy
1 year ago

The men who love me and want me to be happy also know that I don’t want any fucking kids.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

I was moderately baffled in why childlessness leads to sharia law, but then I realized that it’s a not enough white babies = a white genocide thing. That lead to some more moderately baffling things.

Is he blaming white genocide (which is not an actual thing) on women rather than Jews like usual? Does he think that if white people largely vanished from Canada (and presumably the US as well) that there won’t be any black, hispanic, asian, indigenous, etc. people to carry on Christianity and fight back against any attempt to establish sharia law… or that they’re so weak willed that they’ll just convert with little resistance? Even if his scenario had a remote chance of happening, why should any particular childless white woman who exists today care if she probably wouldn’t be around to see it come to pass and would have no descendants to be affected by it? (I mean, if they’re so “selfish” to choose not to have kids, why would this change their mind?)

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

“Feminism is alcoholism”? Show your working, Stefan. What proportion of those drinking women are feminists? Are feminists more likely to drink than non-feminists? How many are alcoholic? “Alcoholism” doesn’t simply mean “drinks alcohol”, you know.

There are around 108 million adult women in the US. Let’s suppose they drink three quarters of those 800 million gallons of wine. That’s 600 million gallons, or around 5.6 gallons each, per year. A US gallon is 3.78541 litres in the units us communists use, so 5.6 gallons = 28 standard 750ml bottles. That’s around one bottle a fortnight. In the terminology used for alcohol advice in the UK, a standard bottle of 12% wine contains around 9 units, so you’re drinking 252 units per year, or around 0.7 units per day. That’s not even one medium glass! For non-pregnant women, 2 units a day is considered safe. If you drink one small glass of wine a day, you’re probably doing ok. Of course, if you’re dry most of the year, and save up your 5.6 gallon quota for one weekend binge, you have a problem.

Also, if US immigrants have babies, you get Shakira, not Sharia. Also also, you know what those babies of immigrants are called? Americans.

Bina
1 year ago

Dear Stef:

Wine is good with dinner. You are not.

Also, being barren and menopausal actually rocks, and I’m looking forward to it. I got a head start several years ago when I tied my tubes, and now I’m just waiting for my periods to peter out.

As long as it doesn’t involve having to sleep with (or even just listen to) a bitter fart like you, I’m all for it.

Why can’t you let us be happy? Is it because you’re afraid we’ll choose happiness over you?

Crip Dyke
1 year ago

You know, contrary to Molyneux’s supposition that the majority are single moms, I’d bet that most of the people who join that “I need wine or I’m going to sell my kids” group probably don’t have any kids at all. The group is (I would guess) about enjoying wine and reducing stress. You don’t actually need kids to enjoy wine or to have stress that needs reducing. The bit about selling one’s kids is a (supposedly) funny joke, made (supposedly) funny because it’s ridiculous and no one’s actually going to do that. You can find it not funny if that’s you, but we should all recognize it as sarcasm and agree it’s not reasonable to use the sarcasm as evidence of anything at all.

OT: David, are you planning to cover the outrage over the new Watchmen series, attention to the Tulsa riots and the destruction of Greenwood, or the portrayal of Sister Night?

Just curious. I’d love to see your thoughts.

Simon
Simon
1 year ago

Totally ballparking that there’s 200 million adults in america cos it makes the maths easier and that works out per person per year around 20 bottles of wine. Less than half a bottle a week. Obviously some people will be doing more than their share and others not drinking but it’s still not much really.

Karalora
Karalora
1 year ago

His argument seems to boil down to “If you don’t surrender your freedoms now, they’ll be taken away from you later anyway.” So why on earth would I prefer the option where I lose my rights immediately over the one where I get to hang onto them for a while?

And if the response is “Well, under Us you at least get some rights, while They would take all of them away,” then I beg to wonder: Which rights would “Us” let me keep? Name one right I enjoy as a member of a (so far) free society that Molyneux or another of his ilk hasn’t argued I should be deprived of on the basis of my sex.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
1 year ago

I’m still getting used to this whole thing of wine being less manly, but then I’m French so this is one specific bit of bullshit that we’re more or less immune to. I mean… we also have Man Wine so make of that what you will.

By the way I was a big wine person in my teens, and didn’t really like beer. Then I drank too much bad wine too many times and got pretty much sick of it, meanwhile realizing there’s more to beer than the awful shit that passes as standard.

I’m also nb, and even though I didn’t exactly start out as manly even back then, I am even less so now. Yet I’m a beer nerd who can’t stomach wine anymore.

impudentinfidel
impudentinfidel
1 year ago

The really weird part is if you make the wine out of honey and it’s somehow the manliest of all drinks. Nobody is willing to impugn the masculinity of mead.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@impudentinfidel:

The really weird part is if you make the wine out of honey and it’s somehow the manliest of all drinks. Nobody is willing to impugn the masculinity of mead.

It’s all about the quaffing. You sip wine, but you quaff mead, with much hearty laughter and spillage.

You know what would make wine manly again? Bring back the wineskin, preferably lined with goat’s bladder.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

Re: mead
I was at a concert by Amon Amarth (opening for Slayer) a few months ago and the lead singer, Johan Hegg, carried a horn of something, likely mead or beer in keeping with the Viking theme of the band, on stage and drank from it between songs.

Anyway, Amon Amarth is one of my favorite bands and even though I don’t drink, I give everyone the ultimate song for quaffing mead:

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@impudentinfidel

The really weird part is if you make the wine out of honey and it’s somehow the manliest of all drinks. Nobody is willing to impugn the masculinity of mead.

To be fair, harvesting honey runs the risk of pissing off thousands of stinging insects, while harvesting grapes does not.

Besides, you drink honey out of a glass. You drink mead out of a horn!

Savanah M Gray
Savanah M Gray
1 year ago

Awww. Poor microD Staph infection molyneux. He’s just mad I can drink my wine, raise my kiddos, fix my car, fight his wars, work, clean, cook, sew and be everything while demeaning his little cohort of useless trad men into a kneeling position. Hahaha. That poor, stupid, weak little man.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m still getting used to this whole thing of wine being less manly, but then I’m French so this is one specific bit of bullshit that we’re more or less immune to.

Yeah, but everyone knows that French men aren’t real men.

/s

Anyway, I’m drinking beer with this as the label
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so I guess I’m pretty manly. But I also love pinot, both noir and grigo. So I don’t know what gender that makes me.

Steph Tohill
Steph Tohill
1 year ago

This whole thing is just about men in their 50s trying to persuade women in their 20s to date them.

Also without means of their own it makes them financially dependent on shitty men. They also seem not to realise you can actually work AND have kids!

Batgirl
Batgirl
1 year ago

I wonder what his opinion would be about the fact that women are the fastest growing whiskey-drinking demographic? Is it more proof that feminists are alcoholics? Or is more that we’re trying to “ruin” a traditionally “manly” drink?

Honestly, I don’t care either way, his whole schtick is sad and boring. *sips rye in feminist*

Bina
1 year ago

@Karalora:

His argument seems to boil down to “If you don’t surrender your freedoms now, they’ll be taken away from you later anyway.” So why on earth would I prefer the option where I lose my rights immediately over the one where I get to hang onto them for a while?

And if the response is “Well, under Us you at least get some rights, while They would take all of them away,” then I beg to wonder: Which rights would “Us” let me keep? Name one right I enjoy as a member of a (so far) free society that Molyneux or another of his ilk hasn’t argued I should be deprived of on the basis of my sex.

Right? If we’re supposed to give up wine because he said so (and surmises, with stunning recto-cranial inversion, that it’s a sign that feminism has made us miserable), how does that make him any better than those extreme Islamists he’s always burbling on about? Because they’re against women drinking alcohol too…

Oh right…no veils. (YET.)

And he still gets to drink as much beer as he likes, and then kvetch about women driving him to drink with all their nagging about wanting to be free from all the happy-happy restrictions he’s clapped on them!

Much better, so wow!

Bina
1 year ago

@Sinkable John:

I’m still getting used to this whole thing of wine being less manly, but then I’m French so this is one specific bit of bullshit that we’re more or less immune to.

I’m German, and our men drink wine, too. (As well as beer, and Schnapps, and whatever else have you.)

In fact, they consider it their business to be knowledgeable about it, and many even study how to pair it with food.

The HORROR!

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
1 year ago

@Tabby Lavalamp

Of all the weird things to get affected by toxic masculinity, wine drinking has to be up there. Apparently fewer men see it as a “masculine” drink so they won’t touch it and companies have had to resort to selling it in cans in hope of getting them to drink it more.

Not that this in entirely on men. I rarely watch it, but I had The Social (a Canadian daytime show hosted by women) on one day and they were discussing men and wine, and one of the hosts said she couldn’t be with a man who drank out of a wine glass because she didn’t see it as manly.

It’s kind of sad that hetronormative Conservative’s seem so arbitrarily and puritanically preocupied and fearful of what’s “masculine” or “feminine” and who can be which at any and all times that they just end up borking themselves into stressful, unhealthy and simply absurd nonsense. It seems like a lot of necessary fear, stress and effort for something that doesn’t really matter much if anything at all.

This is where we are now as a society. I’m waiting to see men turn away from Christianity because that SJW Jesus turned water into wine instead of beer.

Now, that would be hilariously ironic.

EZmann
EZmann
1 year ago

I read this and kept thinking “What about the standard wine connoisseur/ snob / expert? Wouldn’t that be manly because expert=man and having expertise thus makes anything manly no matter what?”

Then I realized that’s more of stereotypical rich guy thing, and that got me thinking: your stereotypical rich guy does a lot of “womany” things like:

-Eating fancy, daintily-presented food (man option – 72oz steak that’s free if you eat it in 10 minutes)
-Wearing fancy expensive clothing (man option – Big Johnson T-shirt, flannel shirt with sleeves ripped off, MAGA hat with naked mud flap lady on the back)
-Appreciating art and “high-culture” music (man option – appreciating Truck Nutz and Ted Nugent / Kid Rock)

And while these sorts of people probably wouldn’t think of him as manly the way they would, say, an alligator-wrestling AR-15 salesman, they probably wouldn’t view him as “feminized” either. I guess it’s just another way that the rules (or in this case, the “rules”) don’t apply if you’re rich.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 year ago

Ah, social science based on stereotype memes and cherrypicked statistics, echoing the age-old concern about women drinking alcohol.

I’m no expert on US culture, but I’d bet Wine Mom isn’t the only stereotype meme about people who drink alcohol.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

No one has done this yet?

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Sorry can’t help it. I’ve moved on to pinot noir, so I had to bust out the Cersei wine gifs.

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Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

Ladies:

All the sexual and romantic power you have in your 20s suddenly swings over to men in their 40s and 50s.

What? So I’m in my twenties, feeling all powerful and sexy and stuff, and suddenly a guy in his forties and/or fifties has my power? How old am I — and how did he steal my thunder?

They are wealthy, healthy and still able to have children.

Whoa. All men in their forties and/or fifties are wealthy and healthy? That’s . . . surprising. And they “have” children? Yes, some men do. That said, most men with children don’t give birth to them. Although, as Archie Bunker once asserted, “I was there when it was important.”

You are barren, menopausal and probably STILL paying off your student loans.

So I’m definitely barren (sob) and menopausal (deeper sob). But I’m only probably still paying off my student loans. Got it.

Don’t end up like that…

I’d rather be old and broke than married to a right-winger.

Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

So what does Mr Foodblender think Christian (I understand that’s a popular religion in North America) women who attend Mass/Holy Communion are going to do about wine intake if he’s fretting about Muslim immigration?

On a lighter note, house point if you can spot the origin of the following quote:

‘Quaffing is like drinking but you spill more.’

Bakunin
Bakunin
1 year ago

@Crip Dyke
What happened with Watchmen? Is it the Comedian/Silk Spectre bit?

Teabug
1 year ago

I just LOVE the red pill delusion – sorry; idea that men “gave” women equal rights like some indulgence à-la giving a kid a cookie before dinner and can be taken away again just as easily. It’s usually said right before they hang themselves with their own tongue.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

I’m German, formerly Austrian.

Drinking predominantly beer or wine is mostly a regional thing.

My paternal grandpa was from a wine making area (Wachau), my maternal grandparents are from a cider making area (Carinthia).

I grew up in a beer making area (Old Bavaria), and now live in an area famed for its beer AND wine tradition (Frankonia).

And what a surprise, the people in the Wachau drink mostly whine, the people in Carinthia drink lots of cider, the people in Old Bavaria drink beer, and the people in Frankonia drink beer and wine.

All drinks are drunk everywhere, but the one that is drunk most is the one that was the most easily available in the past.

Another thing: Beer is something to drink when you’re thirsty, wine is something to drink more for the taste.

I don’t drink much as I don’t like the taste of most alcoholic beverages.

And I don’t give a fuck about if a drink is manly or not, since I’m agender…

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Kat:

What? So I’m in my twenties, feeling all powerful and sexy and stuff, and suddenly a guy in his forties and/or fifties has my power? How old am I — and how did he steal my thunder?

Yeah, as a guy in his fifties, I’m a bit worried about this too. If I suddenly wake up one morning with a young woman’s horniness, I’m not sure what I would do with that. Would I need to change my wardrobe? Should I buy some sex toys in advance, to be prepared? I’m really not happy about this.

LollyPop
LollyPop
1 year ago

The average age gap in hetero marriages is two and a half years in the USA. The reason why older men like Stefan believe women in their twenties are throwing away their youth frivolously, is because they are busy dating men close to their own age. And after a time spent building relationships and gaining relative financial security, having their first kids (on average) in their mid-to-late twenties.

Also, “healthy and wealthy” men in their 40s/50s? Its a horrible fact that midlife men are the highest risk group for suicide. A quick Google suggests 50% suffer some kind of erectile dysfunction. The vast majority aren’t even at all wealthy. Women don’t turn into repulsive crones at 40 and start begging at the door of men who all turn into Peter-Pan-Tom-Cruise-a-likes, laughing with their many youthful girlfriends (who finally appreciate their mature charms). Does this man not live on this planet?

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

Hollywood taught me that wrinkly old guys are irresistible to conventionally hot young women, and Hollywood wouldn’t lie to me.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
1 year ago

@knitting cat lady

German cider?? I’ve never heard of that, I’m intrigued.

I love French cider. I want to try the German cider.

More or less if it comes in a bottle or from a tap, I’ll drink it.

My partner drinks wine. He’s plenty manly enough for me.

I will admit that I look askance at anyone (male or female) who doesn’t have a pint when down the pub. But that is my bad.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

All drinks are drunk everywhere, but the one that is drunk most is the one that was the most easily available in the past.

I think Finland’s prohibition in the early 20th century taught people to appreciate plain water/alcohol mixes. Some of my great-grand-uncles were actually alcohol smugglers in the 1920s.

In my grandparents’ youth, working class Finnish men mostly drank vodka on weekends and women mostly didn’t drink. Since then, we’ve mostly grown back to our historical beer culture, while also adopting wines and other fancy drinks that were historically only available for the rich.

Another thing: Beer is something to drink when you’re thirsty, wine is something to drink more for the taste.

Here, wine is definitely still somewhat associated with fancy people and fancy drinking, not problem drinking or “thirsty” drinking. It’s a class thing much more than gender thing.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

@rugbyyogi
Look up ‘Most’, that’s what we call it in the south.

Fraser
1 year ago

We steal 20something women’s power just like the Parasite in comics can energy-drain Superman! It’s a treatment they give us in secret Old Guy Powers laboratories.
I’m not as familiar with Molyneux as some of the other misogynists out there. I see I haven’t missed anything.

Simon Hales
1 year ago

@Kevin

‘Quaffing is like drinking but you spill more.’

Almost certainly Pratchett, although not sure which book 🙂

Vicious Christmas
Vicious Christmas
1 year ago

Kind of funny he’s ragging on working or single women for drinking. Wasn’t the stereotypical housewife in the 50’s downing cocktails and barbiturates like crazy?

Katamount
1 year ago

He’s seriously still bringing up the “Sharia” talking point like it’s 2008?

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

The fact that he thinks an old man is hotter to a young woman then a guy in his early 20s which has the most energy, is in the best shape of his life, and has a long lasting sex drive amazes me. Muscly looking sex god that I love? Or grey haired old man who probably needs to take something to get it up. Gee I wonder which one I as a 21 year old woman am going to pick.

Side note for both men and women there are people in their 50s that I think look amazing. Would i still consider having sex with them right now? No because i would assume there is something not good about them if they cant attract someone in their age group

Karalora
Karalora
1 year ago

Almost certainly Pratchett, although not sure which book

Absolutely Pratchett, and I want to say…Feet of Clay? It sounds like a Cheery Littlebottom complaint.

Paireon
Paireon
1 year ago

Hmm…

On the one hand, I like beer, wine, spirits, cider, mead, and cocktail drinks (last time I drank alcohol it was in the form of a huge raspberry mojito with 4 ounces in it). I wonder what that makes me according to his standards (for reference I consider myself a heterosexual cisgender male).

On the other, “If you don’t act like you’re already oppressed by sharia law you’ll end up oppressed by sharia law” is… pretty damn flawed, as arguments go…

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Lainy

i would assume there is something not good about them if they cant attract someone in their age group

Stefan here is 53. There is definitely something not good about him. I would never want to be in the same room as this shithead, nevermind sex.

laserqueen
laserqueen
1 year ago

The still paying off student loans bit: Don’t waste your time getting an education, traveling, building a carrer or anything other than making babies in your 20s and 30s! Dude, I did all that in my 20s and 30s and am thoroughly enjoyng my post menopausal 50s. With two cats and a tarantula.

Hambeast
Hambeast
1 year ago

I slacked off on my drinking since I got my weed card and *really* slacked off since cannabis became legal here. For me, it’s just a much better high, and I’ve never been left with a horrible, head-achy, nauseous hangover after a couch-locked bender. Right now, my (home) office is a big mess because I’ve been trimming bud.

That being said, I really enjoyed the wine in Italy while I was stationed there, especially Merlots and Spumanti. I’m way more into beer now, though. So many microbreweries nowadays!

The main reason I don’t drink much anymore is that I spend a lot of my time alone, and don’t enjoy drinking by myself. But I do have a Friday night ritual of eating junk food and drinking a nice kombucha for dinner with some home made edibles for dessert while I watch 80s music videos on MTV.

Dalaila
Dalaila
1 year ago

Not to be mean, but men in their 40s & 50s do NOT have the sexual power of women in their 20s 🙄 The manosphere has this fantasy that young women just looove older men, not realizing that “older” means 2.5 years, the average age difference in married couples 😂 Unless you’re a wealthy silver fox, you’re stuck with women your own age, fellas. & most of them are old enough to know better than to put up with your shit.

Sincerely, an over-the-wall babe dating a mid 20s Chadlet.

Shadow
Shadow
1 year ago

@Karalora & Simon Hales

I think it was Guards! Guards! I’m pretty sure it was during our introduction to Carrot

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
1 year ago

One thing I know about Stefan Molyneux is that he wrote a book supposedly about logic and also neoliberalism, which was apparently truly abysmal. Lots of actual logic professors and other philosophers gave reviews where they pointed out all the wrongness, but this is probably the absolutely harshest one: https://medium.com/@alexanderdouglas/the-art-of-the-ego-review-of-stefan-molyneuxs-stupid-book-4a195ab1a5bc
You simply gotta read this, it’s hilarious!

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Alan, oh no! There might be raucous people in Camden Market!