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The Angry Four Inch: Incel Redditor unleashes epic rant after a doctor tells him that small dicks are fine

Some even prefer smaller bananas

By David Futrelle

The AskDoctors subreddit is designed to be a place that people can ask doctors the sorts of questions they might ask some doctor they’ve managed to corner at a dinner party — “hey doc, does this look infected to you?” The topics currently under discussion in the subreddit include “White stuff coming out where stitches were,” “How do you treat a stab wound?” and “Severe farts.”

A couple of days ago, one angry incel called GreekSymmetrics decided to ask a rather different sort of question, demanding to know “Why are modern urologists/endocrinologists so misandristic and ignorant?”

GreekSymmetrics was apparently furious at his doctors for telling him that his somewhat smaller than average penis was no big deal.

Hold up, you might say. Wouldn’t a heterosexual dude with a smaller dick be glad to hear that small dicks are normal and that most women don’t really care about penis size, as numerous surveys have shown?

But no. Incels are so devoted to their victim status that they’ve convinced themselves that every alleged physical imperfection they have is a HUGE deal that will prevent them forever from winning over the girl of their dreams.

And they get pretty testy about it, as GreekSymmetrics’ long rant males clear. Brace yourself, because here it comes.

Claiming that a 4 Inch length 2 Inch girth penis is normal and totally acceptable….

Just lol at any "doctor" who denies the importance of sexual dimorphism

since when did emotions and gynocentric/liberal ideologies became more valued than Cold rational Facts?

A guy with a 4 Inch length and 2 Inch girth penis will get terrified and socially belittled by almost every sexual Encounters, he might find a Woman for a Long term relationship were emotional and financial support primarily matters, but sexually wise he will never be a raw satisfaction, he will never be able to have truly satisfying ONS, he will be the typical long term relationship provider who's considered by over 30 women when their sexual wild years are over

​

No sex toys, creativity, communication or Position will ever be able to compensate for the lack of a well sized dimorphic human male penis

Thats literally just a meme created by the feministic 68s Generation who tried to make sex into a eloquent science

for hundred thousands of years humans relied on the typical Basic primitive in and out game during sex (of Course only strong men with a relatively large penis had Access to sex, weak unmasculine men were simply wiped out of the genepool), but now suddenly in the 20th century a Generation of "sexual experts" wants to tell us that Women's sexuality is far more than just Basic Penetration, and that women actually hate Basic vaginal sex because they are magical complex sexual beings who prefer a intuitive sensual romantic twink who can effectively hit her 230830248 errogenous spots over a strong primitive masculine man

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But no no no, penis size and masculine dimorphism doesnt matter, every Woman is a lesbian anyways

It's About personality, humans especially women are complex individual beings who have a complex individual sexuality, women dont want brutish vaginal Penetration with a large thick penis, no no they want a feministic feminine man with a small penis who's totally fine in making himself to a submissive lesbian by only Performing oral sex

Women dont want to be dominated, it just happens so that 98% of women want a Partner who's taller then themselves teehee

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Such Arguments are basically Nothing else than human narcissism in a nutshell, this whole "Sexual dimorphism does not matter women want nice Kind husbands" nonsense is just a direct proof that most humans on this earth totally lack self awareness

Claiming that women and men are both complex individuals, and that Basic primitive natural dimorphic traits dont matter since it's all About "Personality and communication"

We are one evolutionary stage higher than a caveman… And we still Claim that humans are non-primitive morally superior individual beings….

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This here basically describes 95% of all modern urological/endocrinological "doctors" https://imgur.com/f34VfkJ

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btw if you want to get some urological and sexual Facts from A REAL RATIONAL BASED urologist/andrologist then visit the Website of the austrian urologist"Dr Georg Pfau" he's an extremely based doctors who doesnt care About liberalistic or feministic Moral constructs but only About Cold rational facts

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

Now you might find yourself wondering about one of GreekSymmetrics’ claims: if small-dicked men were eliminated from the gene pool during caveman days, why are there still men with smal dicks? Don’t worry! He answered this crucial question in a followup comment:

The small penis gene hasnt evaporated because since the modern civilization women began to accept weaker unmasculine men with lots of resources and Money, of course they werent sexually satisfyed by them, but they received a stable home and income from them which why they gave birth to their Kids as a exchange …

​This is precisely observeable if you take a look how the jaw size and facial masculinity of men declined when marriage came into Play at the times of the modernization

​I would try to verify this experimentally, but my calipers are in the shop.

H/T — r/Cringetopia, via r/TheBluePill.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
11 months ago

@ lainy

He looks like dapper doge.

They’re all dapper doges Bront!

That is so cute though. At a work acquaintances’ wedding they had their dog be ring bearer. She looked great trotting down the aisle with a little basket.

Lainy
Lainy
11 months ago

@alan

Yeah he’s a good boy. He doesn’t actually have a job in the wedding we just wanted to include him.

LollyPop
LollyPop
11 months ago

I wish these people would apply even a semblance of reality to their biotruth evo-psych rubbish. Clarify what you mean by caveman. Which species was this? Why was having a big knob so important to them? Show your reasoning!

Lainy
Lainy
11 months ago

You know i think incels piss me off more then any other asshats David has brought into view here because i don’t think anyone is actually an “incel” just little entitled cry baby dickbags who would think their actually dying if they experience any form of real pain. They might be equal to mgtow because they just show up in other places or make blogs about how much they hate women and dating. Entitled rage wanking entitled little dicks is all they are at the end of the day and all their problems are of their own creation! That’s the moat annoying part.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
11 months ago

@rv9v: do you mean that women tolerate having small breasts in that they may not be exactly what the stereotypical male fantasy is? Because that has less to do with women tolerating their own breast size and A LOT more to do with men tolerating women being ok with their own bodies.

Ava
Ava
11 months ago

Ok. What is it with incels capitalizing random words in sentences. When I saw alt-righters (Nazis) doing it I thought it was dog whistling to hide their power level like the double ellipses. But this seems out right random. Are they just bad at it? Or am I missing the code?

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
11 months ago

RE: small breast sizes – There are also a bunch of push up bras, and almost all bras seem to include padding. Even sports bras? I’ve found?

It might be to hide the nips, but I think it’s also because women aren’t supposed to have/be okay with having smaller breasts.

That’s bullshit, but it is what it is.

If people don’t think small chested women are ridiculed for something they can’t actually hide… Well, they are.

I vividly remember a relative (a pretty progressive man) saying that he didn’t like the padding in bras, because it was lying to the men about what the woman actually looked like.

Like, wtf.

I know this has previously been covered as well but BIG BREASTS DO NOT EQUAL SLUT, y’all. WTF.

W
T
F.

Because that’s what saying “small breasted women are less interested in sex” implies, that larger breasted women are MORE interested in it. Fat deposits =/= libido.

ALSO, re: This bit in r97’s original post –

I also believe that guys who don’t really care about penis size tend to be in relationships where sex doesn’t matter or have conservative attitudes towards sex themselves.

PEOPLE WITH SMALLER PENISES CAN STILL HAVE SEX, and be in a relationship where sex is important. People who aren’t hung up on their penis size can be in any kind of relationship, and can have any kind of setting on their libido from “nah” to “hell yeah”.

Penis size =/= libido. Being okay with your genitals =/= a conservative attitude?

WTAF???????????? How does this need to be explained?

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
11 months ago

OK, he’s got my sympathy…I feel sorry for him. Decades, if not centuries, of women INSISTING they don’t give a fig about penis size, apparently means nothing to him.

Poor guy. Seriously.

I used to be depressed about my barely A-cup breasts. Hell, not any more! Ageing has given them a boost…along with allover weight gain.

Jesalin, Goddess of Lust & Pleasure
Jesalin, Goddess of Lust & Pleasure
11 months ago

A lot of words were used, statistically some of them should have been good. Oh well

Bloody hell, dude. It’s not your penis that’s the problem, it’s the giant dick that it’s attached to.

dies laughing

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m honestly pretty sick of guys who need to be reassured constantly about their penis size when the internet is full of detailed 2/10 would not bang screeds about women for all sorts of reasons.

The reason there aren’t tons of angry rants by small breasted women about their sexual insecurity is because women are trained from birth to gate our looks and to blame no one but ourselves for not living up to the standard of beauty. We just don’t have the time to exclusively focus on our breasts when we have every other aspect of our appearance we’re supposed to worry about. But without ever letting on that we’re worried about it, of course.

Lainy
Lainy
11 months ago

This might be a bit tmi but the sex club my fiance and i go to there are a lot of guys there that are average size or smaller that have been apart of our games. Small in no way equals conservative. Also they have all been wonderful people that we’ve met so far. There has only been like one guy there that made me uncomfortable but I wasn’t alone so nothing happened. My point is genital does nothing to described you as a person or how much fun you are on the sack.

Also the small breasted ladies involved in those games have been wonderful as well

Moggie
Moggie
11 months ago

Coincidentally, youtube has just recommended to me “three inches of heaven”, and it’s perfectly lovely:

Oksana
Oksana
11 months ago

Oh gawd. The spouse is bigger than average. This is something I tolerate, because of how otherwise we get along so well. Definitely not the best sex I’ve ever had in my life, which would probably go to a tryst with a Japanese guy who was pretty much in line with the stereotype about Japanese guys. What can I say, he knew what he was doing and made it a point (and had the self control) to get off second.

aCultureboy
aCultureboy
11 months ago

I think if a lot of these fellows were offered the choice of sex or clinging to their grievance and despair, they would choose the latter. It’s impressive, in a tragic sort of way how exquisitely they construct their “anthropology” to avoid admitting there’s stuff about their attitude they should work on. It makes me sad.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
11 months ago

I’ve suddenly begun wondering if this attitude is the North-American (? Don’t know where OP is located) version of koro: “My penis is shrunken, *somebody’s* got to be blamed for this!”

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

Did anyone read through GreekSymmetrics’s comment history? It’s all postings about testosterone/HGH supplements and bemoaning the closing of Braincels, as well as posting on a number of remaining incel or incel-related subs.

Related: Is there a correlation between testosterone levels in men and toxic masculine behaviors? I haven’t seen any studies, so I’m curious. If you google it, all you get is a bunch of right wing “news” sites claiming that toxic masculinity isn’t real.

calmdown
calmdown
11 months ago

Sounds like the doctor dared to take away his lifelong excuse for why women won’t touch him. If it’s your penis’ fault then you don’t have to face the fact that women actually don’t like you because you’re an asshole.

Kevin
Kevin
11 months ago

@ Naglfar

OP post could be a typed out version of ‘royd rage. Overdoing it on those supplements is not a good idea physically for someone with hang – ups about their trouser furniture either. All sorts of nasty side effects, including cancer of the nuts.

jsrtheta
jsrtheta
11 months ago

Some people should not be allowed to study evolution, as they clearly will never grasp how it works.

Not that this is this nimrod’s only problem…

kupo
kupo
11 months ago

@Naglfar
Toxic masculinity is taught, not the result of a chemical imbalance. It’s extensively documented in gender studies papers, maybe start with a Google scholar search for those to learn more about what toxic masculinity encapsulates and what causes it.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
11 months ago

Related: Is there a correlation between testosterone levels in men and toxic masculine behaviors? I haven’t seen any studies, so I’m curious. If you google it, all you get is a bunch of right wing “news” sites claiming that toxic masculinity isn’t real.

I don’t think that having more testosterone in your system makes you a misogynistic jerk. I’m pretty sure this is a cultural thing, and not a biological one.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
11 months ago

Wow. The self-loathing of inceldom is much too entrenched to fathom.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
11 months ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out that certain men with higher levels of testosterone were misogynistic jerks, but only because I imagine misogynistic jerks are much more likely to take testosterone supplements, so any correlation would be the other way round.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@kupo, Rhuu
Thank you. If I get a chance this weekend I’ll try to find some of the studies you suggested.

I realize that by wondering whether it was a chemical imbalance, it may have sounded like I was excusing it. I am not excusing or justifying it, this was merely a question that I was pondering earlier in response to GreekSymmetrics’s (and the alt right as a whole’s collective) obsession with testosterone. Sorry if it was poorly worded.

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
11 months ago

@ Moggie: Very nice, and soothing.

You might also like this ensemble piece on its sister instrument, the koto.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
11 months ago

OT

Donald J. Trump is now justifying abandoning the Kurds by saying they didn’t help the US at Normandy during World War II.

My boyfriend points out that Germany didn’t help us either.

Uh-oh.

kupo
kupo
11 months ago

@Naglfar
Thanks, but I should also note that it’s less about the potential of excusing it and more about the demonizing of bodies which produce more testosterone than average. Testosterone can affect moods, energy levels, etc., but does not create toxic behaviors; society does that part.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
11 months ago

Jon Krakauer wrote a book about Mount Everest, in which he commented that he didn’t really want to climb Everest, he wanted to be someone who had climbed Everest.

I think there’s something similar about incels. They aren’t really interested in having sex, at least with average-looking women. They don’t really like women and aren’t all that interested even in their vaginas. What they want is to be known as a guy who’s had sex with a lot of very attractive women, because they think that’ll give them status with their male peers. That’s more or less the same thing with penis size — guys compare dongs in the locker room and those with big ones (in the flaccid state, of course) acquire status. It’s a teen thing, of course, but the incels never seem to get past 16.

They assume that adult women will judge them by the same standards as teenage boys do. Since to them women are mostly useful as sexual ego trips, and this attitude comes across fairly clearly to most women, few women are ever horny enough to engage in sex which is bound to be short, incompetent and unsatisfying with a guy who looks at them as a life support system for a vagina. This means that most young men with this attitude are likely to be mostly celibate. (Unless they are extremely attractive [Chadly]? I can’t answer that one.)

So (highly-attractive) women deny them their inalienable right to be considered studly by their peers. And it is easier to blame women who won’t let them use their vaginas for a measly three minutes or so because of some physical flaw that they cannot control like dick size, rather than recognize that their personalities do not conduce to women wasting even three minutes of their life with them — something they could possibly do something about.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
11 months ago

@Kat: the Normandy thing seems to have come from a tweet by a fascist named Kurt Schlichter. See https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2019/10/qotd-ignoramus.html

ObSidJag
ObSidJag
11 months ago

Adding my 2 cents re the “size” question; TMI warning:

having been with both an “endowed” partner & a more modestly equipped gentleman (not at the same time), oddly enough they were very similar.

By which I mean I had good experiences with both gentlemen because both were interested in making sure we both enjoyed the sex.

So, lots of touching–and no mad, immediate stampede for the genitals–oral, different positions–we enjoyed a whole smorgasbord to choose from.

And that’s 1 of the main differences I see between what I just described & the OP’s rant: we enjoyed what we were doing, we enjoyed playing together–a concept which pretty much eludes the OP.

On larger vs smaller breasts:
I once read that smaller breasted women may actually experience more sensation when their breasts receive attention than larger breasted women do.

The reasoning was that smaller breasted women had more nerve concentration per square inch of skin.

Not sure how valid the reasoning is, but a good friend who I’ve known since high school (and who was, shall we say, modest in the size department) who told me once that when hers receive attention, she definitely feels it below the waistline.

Me? I’m more on the “endowed” side of things. When money are touched, yeah, it’s nice but not nearly as effective as, say. When my partner plays with the back of my neck–that is shiver-enducing for me & in a very good way.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
11 months ago

@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

I clicked through. Thanks! I always enjoy reading Digby on Salon.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
11 months ago

The fact that Trump is influenced by someone like Schlichter horrifies me — and I thought I’d gotten beyond horror.

Lizzie
Lizzie
11 months ago

here’s a kitten playing the koto, even more relaxing: https://twitter.com/i/status/1180430987571945473

That is from the Paul Bronks twitter feed, in case I have not detailed it correctly

Tessa
Tessa
11 months ago

they want a feministic feminine man who’s totally fine making himself into a submissive lesbian by only Performing oral sex

Hah! Joke’s on you, I was average sized (back when I was still rocking my factory-issued equipment) and I still made myself into a (mostly) submissive lesbian.

PS Fingers, dude, fingers. It’s not all about oral, you know?

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@kupo

I should also note that it’s less about the potential of excusing it and more about the demonizing of bodies which produce more testosterone than average. Testosterone can affect moods, energy levels, etc., but does not create toxic behaviors; society does that part.

Didn’t mean to demonize high testosterone people either. Sorry about that as well, and thanks for correcting my error.

@GOSJM

They aren’t really interested in having sex, at least with average-looking women. They don’t really like women and aren’t all that interested even in their vaginas. What they want is to be known as a guy who’s had sex with a lot of very attractive women, because they think that’ll give them status with their male peers.

I think that this is a common mentality among pickup artists as well. They aren’t interested in sex itself, they see it as a conquest, a way to have status. This mentality leads to really bad sex and unfulfilling relationships devoid of meaning.

Ariblester
11 months ago

David Feichtner wrote on
October 9, 2019 at 6:15 am:

To give a quick translation of Dr. Pfau’s homepage:

EVOLUTION! Feminism is bad for men! Only helps SOME women! EVOLUTION! MEN NOT BAD! EVOLUTION!

And an incessant need to stress the age of humanity to show that EVOLUTION made men into men and women into women and did we mention Evolution already?

Also: All his awards are printed-out facebook awards.

Much thanks, friend!

Bina
11 months ago

@Grumpy:

They aren’t really interested in having sex, at least with average-looking women. They don’t really like women and aren’t all that interested even in their vaginas. What they want is to be known as a guy who’s had sex with a lot of very attractive women, because they think that’ll give them status with their male peers.

Bingo!

And that’s also what’s behind the porn-induced mindset that when it comes to boobs and penises, bigger is better and more satisfying. It’s not a “what women really want” thing. It’s not even a “what men really want” thing. It’s a “what we are conditioned to think we want because that’s all we see when our sexual education consists mainly of commercially-commodified sexual images” thing.

Porn isn’t interested in the modestly-endowed or average-looking human body, no matter how capable that body is of satisfying and being satisfied. It’s about bringing fantasy to (larger than) life. Outsize equipment is what sells. Inane contrasts between tiny young women (who nonetheless have breasts like udders) and big men (who are big all over) are pushed like you wouldn’t believe. The “barely legal” (i.e., not yet mature, but just old enough to skirt age-of-consent laws) virgin who is simultaneously a horny slut just waiting to pop out of every piece of her suspiciously skimpy clothing. The man with the bulging steroid muscles, but without the shrunken genitalia that also happen to be a major side effect of ‘roids. The incredibly virile, testosterone-oozing guy who miraculously also has a full head of hair (because higher testosterone tends to bring out the male-pattern baldness, alas). All of these are fantasies sold and re-sold endlessly by porn.

All of them, also, are catered to the guy who has insecurities out the wazoo, and fantasies about impressing his friends with something visible and tangible. There is no room in them for anything so nebulous, variable, and intangible as a personality that “clicks” with another. Nobody in the ultra-materialistic world of commodified sex is impressed with partners who don’t look like much, but somehow manage to like each other an awful lot.

And in the incels’ crab bucket, where “maxxing” is the be-all and end-all, things like that never manage to register. Why have an average-looking partner you like, who likes you back, who enjoys sex with you and vice versa, when your so-called buddies are all sneering about how boringly average she is? And why throw them and their disapproval aside, when that will only get you sneered at as being “not a real man”?

It often gets lost in the shuffle, but one of the things the sexual revolution of the late 1960s-early 1970s did work very hard on, and succeeded quite a bit at, was encouraging self-acceptance, as well as acceptance of others. Because it was then that different body types started to gain recognition as normal, okay, acceptable and even beautiful. And non-standardized sexualities and gender expressions were also starting to emerge and gain acceptance. The women’s movements, the black-power and gay-rights movements, all worked toward those goals as well. And people’s overall mental well-being was immeasurably better as a result.

But starting with the AIDS crisis of the 1980s, and the anti-choice movement that was also revving up at the same time (in the wake of Roe v. Wade and Dr. Henry Morgentaler), we have lost that beneficial tendency toward breadth and openness, and a lot of the mental-health ground that went with it. The Religious Reich has fought back with a vengeance, and we’re seeing the result of their anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, anti-sex pushback everywhere. We are now regressing toward the fascistic ideas and ideals of the 1850s-1950s, and so it’s little wonder that incels are a perfect storm of Nazism, as well as narcissism.

What’s truly tragic, as well as comical, is how much these fools talk about “science”, and what a piss-poor understanding they have of it. Because actual science has refuted them for decades at every turn. And the leftward political shifts since World War II’s end have actually been the forerunners of what science has since borne out: that human sexuality isn’t one-size-fits all, that racism and sexism are fallacies, that there aren’t just two genders, that neuroplasticity and sexual and/or gender variance go hand in hand, and that there is no single optimal body type, much less an exaggerated sexual dimorphism. It’s complex and fascinating — too much so for their all-or-nothing minds to bear. Little wonder that they’re retreating into fantasy and discredited stereotypes, and they’re deaf to anyone who tries to tell them that the world doesn’t actually work that way. It’s easier, I suppose, to nail oneself to a tiny procrustean bed of nonsense than it is to face the horrifying fact that the world is much bigger and wobblier than they’ve made it out to be.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
11 months ago

Did anyone read through GreekSymmetrics’s comment history? It’s all postings about testosterone/HGH supplements and bemoaning the closing of Braincels, as well as posting on a number of remaining incel or incel-related subs.

OK, there’s the official confirmation I asked for. Pedantry satisfied.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
11 months ago

@Naglfar: A relationship with another person (particularly a femoid) is the last thing they’re looking for — women are 100% sex objects to them. And most women, most of the time, aren’t looking to be objectified.

The incels throw their obnoxious pity parties because its easier to blame the supposed shallowness of women than their own toxic shallowness.

The question I have is: do they actually fear relationships with women, and is that the reason for their misogyny? Just like a lot of hatred of people of color is stoked by fear and ignorance.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@GOSJM

do they actually fear relationships with women, and is that the reason for their misogyny?

I think they fear women who aren’t submissive to them. They fear any situation where white men aren’t 100% in charge.

Nat
Nat
11 months ago

It’s shocking to me that OP’s literally repeating good points that get made and pisses on them with the crappest one-line philosophy of “big dicks only because caveman”. I kept wondering if it was satire or what; unfortunately the spelling seems too sincerely bad.

Seriously, if this was (proofread to all hell and) published by the Onion, I’d think it’s a hilarious and bang-on lampoon. I never got Poe’s Law’d so hard.

Allandrel
Allandrel
11 months ago

@Naglfar

I think they fear women who aren’t submissive to them. They fear any situation where white men aren’t 100% in charge.

I’ve observed many times that one of the key aspects of authoritarian thought is that everything one is either completely dominant, or one is being dominated.

You see this with the people who treat having to be acknowledge that different people exist as Terrible Oppression.

And in the “Great Dealmaker’s” conviction that every deal is one person ripping the other off, meaning that if the other side appears satisfied with the deal they MUST somehow be ripping him off, so he scuttles it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
11 months ago

@Allandrel

And in the “Great Dealmaker’s” conviction that every deal is one person ripping the other off, meaning that if the other side appears satisfied with the deal they MUST somehow be ripping him off, so he scuttles it.

They view all interaction as a zero sum game, and can’t possibly understand any outcome where multiple people are satisfied.

Lysistrata
Lysistrata
11 months ago

But, but, but…. I AM a magical complex sexual being who prefers an intuitive sensual romantic partner!

I have enjoyed sexyfuntimes with feminine men (and women) and manly men (and women), men who had little dicks, men who had big dicks…. One of the best was a man who could not get it hard enough for penetrative sex; but ohboy, he knew what it was all about.

And I agree with Buttercup, Greek Symmetrics undercounted the erogenous spots.