By David Futrelle
The lady haters on Reddit and elsewhere are reliably outraged every time they discover that some e-girl they’re probably secretly obsessed with is making money selling their used underwear online.
How unfair it is that women can rake in the big bucks for doing nothing more than wearing a pair of panties — yet there’s no demand for the slightly soiled boxers of dudes who spend their lives hanging out on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit.
Dudes, maybe the problem isn’t that no one wants used dude underwear. Maybe it’s just that the underwear you want to sell isn’t sexy enough.
Well, problem solved, because I have discovered the WORLD’S SEXIST SEXIEST UNDERWEAR — combining the ball-swinging freedom of boxers with a Men’s Rights message!
Head on over to the Non Feminist store on Zazzle and pick up a pair (or ten) of these “Men’s Rights Are Human Rights” boxer beauts.
And yes, they’re also available in black!
Exquisite tailoring, even more exquisite graphic design. How can you — and all your future used-undies purchasers — go wrong?
And while you’re at the Non Feminist store, why not pick up this exciting refrigerator magnet with a slightly blurry quote from our old non-feminist friend Fidelbogen on it?
You could probably rub it on your butt and sell it, too!
BRB, starting a new business.
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I do the laundry in my house. For a grown man and two little boys and myself. There’s nothing about anyone’s dirty underpants that’s sexy to me.
No shade of course on anyone who’s into it. But I think men’s and women’s typical relationships toward laundry may be a factor in why so many more men are into this than women. Dirty underpants remind me of a chore that I have to do, not sexytimes!
@AB, everyone is different. You’re not weird. I, for one, will never understand Disney World.
One of my favorite types of post on this site to look back on is the archive of poorly designed MRA and MGTOW graphics and memes. I just like seeing how bad they are at graphic design and mocking their poorly thought out memes.
@Bettering Lamb
Agreed.
@ABars
Some other commenters have touched on this already, but here’s my take.
Society is very strange in this way. It’s obsessed with sex, but at the same time also hates it and tries to restrict it. It’s a product of a patriarchy that uses it to control people, and tells men they need sex to have value and tells women that having sex takes away their value.
This does not make you weird. If you don’t enjoy sex, don’t have sex. If you do enjoy it, have sex. Do what you want.
You mentioned that you think you are asexual. Since I’m not asexual, I’m not really knowledgeable about that, but I know we have some resident asexual commenters. Maybe they can offer their thoughts.
@Susan
Nor will I. Waiting in lines for hours, sensory overload, creepy mascots, roller coasters…count me out.
…Why is it a thing? I always thought it was just men being kinda weird, rather than something to do with women’s bodies.
@ReductiveChaos
I think it’s some sort of fetish. Maybe they want to smell a woman’s scent on it or maybe it helps them picture a woman wearing it? Some men are into that.
I have no problem with people buying used underwear online from people who agree to sell it, but I have heard cases of people (usually men) stealing underwear and/or bras from their partners (or even strangers), and I do not approve of stealing clothing. Better to buy than steal from someone.
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Humor has been a long-standing tool used by men to put women (and other out groups ) in their place. Society has let them get away with saying really ugly shit by sugar coating it as a joke.
And, if the victim of the “humor” objects, they are attacked for being humorless, a prig, a wet blanket. As the late, great Christopher Hitchens informed us, “Women don’t have a sense of humor!”.
You have to feel sorry for them, Weird Eddie. It must be tough to lose the free ride of being able to denigrate people under the tissue thin excuse of “I was only joking”.
I remember reading an article in New Scientist years and years ago about research into historical attitudes to body odour in Western cultures over the centuries. The article cited evidence that people were far more tolerant towards it prior to the 20th Century, probably out necessity: modern detergents hadn’t been invented and the soap that existed at that time was mostly used for washing clothes and probably too harsh for human skin. The article cited one practice that was apparently widespread up to the 19th Century where men going to war would often carry a cloth or handkerchief with them that their wives our partners had kept in their armpits or elsewhere (cough cough) so that it was impregnated with their body odour. I imagine for a lot of men it wasn’t even sexual but a way of retaining some kind of contact with a loved one while off in whatever far-flung part of the world their empire-happy superiors had dispatched them to. Though certainly it was sexual for a lot of guys: the article said that there exists a letter from Napoleon to Josephine sent from the site of one of his victories that basically reads, “we won. I’m coming home. Don’t wash!” ?
@Cat Mara
I heard that for most of history everywhere smelled pretty awful due to lack of sanitation. It probably was hard to notice body odor when everywhere smelled like sewage, human and animal waste, and, later, industrial smog.
@Naglfar: There might also have been holdovers from Christian asceticism where paying too much attention to one’s body would have been regarded as sinful or, worse, might have lead people to suspect that one was a secret Jew or Muslim, given the importance of ritual cleanliness to those religions.
Oh, and seeing as how the original post mentions Japan, there is, apparently, an account given to the court of James I of the first diplomatic mission to the shogunate from Europe that goes something like:
Returning diplomats: Guys, you have to see this Japan place, it’s screwball!
The Court: Well, they’re people just like us, aren’t they, how different can it be?
RD: Their houses are made of paper!
TC: Odd, but not utterly beyond the bounds of reason. And?
RD: They eat raw fish!
TC: Again, unusual, but go on.
RD: With little sticks!
TC: Such idiosyncrasies we can expect in heathen lands. Anything else?
RD: And they bathe every day!
TC: Well, now you’re just making shit up.
@ABars:
Re having meals or seeing TV programs that were more satisfying than sex: yes, I get this.
I had a good friend years ago (now sadly deceased) who didn’t understand this–that a person could find more satisfaction in a really awesome meal than in sex. I will add that, at the time, she hadn’t had sex–at all, ever–until much later.
When she actually found a partner she trusted and cared for and had sex with on a regular basis…she td me that, yes, she understood what I was talking about.
Re the whole “smelling/scent” issue: I understand this to a certain extent in that my partner and I don’t get to see each other on a regular basis right now. We both work overnight & have different days off.
Sometimes, I find myself @ a perfume counter & will spray her favorite cologne in the air, just so I remind myself what she smells like because it’s so hard to be away from her.
I’ll apologize up front as I’m slightly tipsy. Hope this makes a sort of sense.
https://twitter.com/perlmutations/status/1177946160155303940?s=19
LOL@trumpanzees
I knew a guy in university who was fond of saying, “there’s nothing so overrated as bad sex, and nothing so underrated as a good shit” ?
The sex isn’t the important part. What they want is the social validation they believe they will receive by being manly and powerful enough to
forcecoerce“convince” a woman into having sex with them, or providing sexual services.Looking at a nude image freely posted to the internet doesn’t grant you any social capital, but harassing a woman into sending you nudes is proof that you’re powerful (and now have the ability to spread that image around without her consent, bonus). Paying a woman for sex means that she gains some benefit from the interaction, while using skeezy PUA won’t require that.
The point is being able to exert power over someone else. In the version of toxic masculinity that society teaches us, that is the true measure of a man.
I’m Internet friends with a few male sex workers, and there actually is a market for used men’s underwear as well – it’s just that most of the customers are still men, and they’re looking to buy specific types of underwear from specific types of men. Considering most MRAs are presumably heterosexual, not particularly musclebound or twinky, and probably don’t wear jockstraps or designer briefs, it’s no surprise they can’t find anyone who wants to buy their underwear.
@Talonknife
Maybe there are some gay men with MRA fetishes. I rather doubt it, but there are all kinds of fetishes, so maybe someone is turned on by MRAs and would like to buy used MRA underwear.
If so, this GIF from a while back would for once be accurate (to people with MRA fetishes):
And yet men rake in more bucks for doing the exact same job as women, and monopolize the REALLY big bucks jobs, but somehow that’s perfectly fair.
Why don’t they buy each others’ used briefs and create a market for it? Let’s put that Invisible Hand to use!
OK, who died? This place is really quiet the past 24 hours …
BBC just came out against fat-shaming:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49795808
I’m a straight man who didn’t have sex until I was 38, barely a year and a half ago.
And you know what? It was really, really nice, and I was like “Yes, this is a thing that I will continue to do.” But it wasn’t the most amazing thing ever.
Now, this could have been because while I liked my partner, I wasn’t in love with her. I’m sure that could affect things quite a bit. Because quite frankly, my lack of romantic success has been far more painful than my lack of sexual success.
Given a choice between a sexless romantic relationship and regular sex with partners that I liked but did not love? I would definitely take the romance. And I’m pretty sure that would make incels’ and PUAs’ heads explode.
That article is so against fat-shaming that it literally compares “obesity” to smoking. (Because something mostly caused by genetics and stress, as the article also mumbles about before switching back to shaming people’s “life’s choices”, is totes like a literal addiction.)
It also has shit like:
“And it says health professionals should be trained to talk about weight loss in a more supportive way.”
Yeah… That’s what was missing all this time!
http://amptoons.com/blog/?p=24394
@Malitia
“We’re against fat-shaming. Now here’s all the terrible things about fat and why you need to stop being so fat.”
… is that a pizza???
@Weird Eddie
It’s this thing.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of C4twoman again, is anyone else tired of all the “Trump is mentally ill” takes? They’ve really intensified lately.
The thing is, Trump’s dad died of complications of Alzheimer’s so it isn’t completely out of left field to wonder if he isn’t also developing dementia. That said he was a shithead long, long before that possibility.
@WWTH: absolutely. He’s a racist, sexist, classist, irresponsible, cruel asshole, but none of these have to do with mental illness.