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The dudes who want to see Greta Thunberg spanked

Breitbart’s John Nolte: President of the Spank Club

By David Futrelle

Breitbart editor-at-large John Nolte got a lot of side-eye yesterday when he suggested in a tweet that 16-year-old environmental activist Greta Thunberg deserved a spanking.

It turns out that Nolte wasn’t the only person — or even the only middle-aged man — whose first thought upon seeing Thunberg address the world on the existential issue of our ongoing climate catastrophe was, hmm, I think that teenage girl needs a good paddling!

Here are a few of the others.

Some felt it was her parents who deserved this sort of punishment.

“When you run out of arguments, there’s always hitting” doesn’t really seem like the greatest way to deal with children, or adults.

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Fujimoto
Fujimoto
1 year ago

Ew, ew, ew, ew! I never want to hear the word “spanking” ever again now.

rv97
1 year ago

Fuck your religious fundamentalism, guy, and no, spanking should only be reserved for the worst or not done at all – depending on the child, it can firmly mark the abuser as someone they can no longer confide with.

What has religion done for the environment? Frankly, fuck all. Wars have been fought in the name of religion and that’s caused a ton of damage and still does to this day. It’s only served to oppress people.

Petroleum companies are benefitting from this mentality of how the Earth and everything living on it is stronger than it is.

Joan D Pasley
Joan D Pasley
1 year ago

And, they call liberals unhinged. These cjw’s , or corporate justice warrior have no shame whatsoever.i remember what happened to the parkland kids. I have zero tolerance for these keyboard gangsters. Rememember, what you hate; you become.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

I notice that many are comparing her to the Hitler Youth. The projection is quite strong with these Twitterers.

Egret
Egret
1 year ago

I don’t even get it- ignoring everything wrong with corporal punishment, what are they proposing she be punished for? It’s neither illegal nor immoral to speak in front of congress?

Clementine Danger
Clementine Danger
1 year ago

These dipshits are seriously impeding on my sexy time jargon

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
1 year ago

Some of the most compelling comments I’ve heard on this matter are that men are angry at her because, for once, you have a 16 year old girl out there, with media prescence, that isn’t sexualized.

And, notice how her being 16 years old merits her getting treated like a “little girl”, yet when a 16 year old gets pregnant and wants an abortion, all of a sudden she is an adult and needs to take full responsibility for her actions.

Karalora
Karalora
1 year ago

I don’t even get it- ignoring everything wrong with corporal punishment, what are they proposing she be punished for? It’s neither illegal nor immoral to speak in front of congress?

Smarting off to her elders, I think.

David J. Wise’s take gives me the willies. “We should just leave the climate up to God.” Translation: If the world is ending then it’s God’s will, and if anything our job is to speed it along, all hail the Rapture!

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

Well, that wasn’t a phrase I ever wanted to see. Thanks, David!

Weasel-Rah
Weasel-Rah
1 year ago

Just being a young woman who isn’t dressing for the male gaze is enough to get plenty of hate. Her being in the public eye and criticizing the status quo? I’m kinda worried about her safety, frankly.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

I think the thing with climate change deniers is that if they deny that humans created climate change, then they can justify doing nothing. They can think to themselves, “This warming is natural, an act of God. In the bible God said He would never send another flood to wipe us off the face of the earth! That’s why we have rainbows! The ice caps won’t melt and everything will be all right!”

Whereas if they accepted, “Holy shit, we did this to ourselves, and God ain’t said shit about preventing catastrophes against ourselves, look at WW2 and all the other apocalyptic wars! We’re doomed unless we get on this shit now!” they might have to, you know, inconvenience themselves. Or admit a 16-year-old girl was right! Truly the End Times would be upon them.

So instead they lie and suggest barbaric practices like killing people via whipping (and they’re quite wrong if they don’t think the parents would die from being whipped through every town even if no other person laid a hand on them besides the official whipper) and strapping teenage girls for being uppity.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

I’m absolutely in awe of Greta and her young comrades; they fill me with hope and joy.

I have to believe she’s just the most visible manifestation of an underlying paradigm shift. I know obviously some kids aren’t interested in climate, and some of the protesters now will fall by the wayside as they get older.

However I won’t allow myself to even contemplate the possibly that the momentum is anything other than irreversible; and that by the time her generation is in charge, climate awareness will just be inherent in the population.

So innate that our current mode of life will be truly baffling to them; like the old craze for radioactive toothpaste or whatever.

numerobis
numerobis
1 year ago

If my hypothetical kid turns out to fail twice as hard as Thunberg I’d be so proud.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw

I know obviously some kids aren’t interested in climate, and some of the protesters now will fall by the wayside as they get older.

A lot of kids are interested in climate these days though. They know that this is a problem previous generations have created and refuse to solve, and that if they want to survive they’ll need to deal with this one themselves. Their elders have failed, so they’re stepping up to the plate.

by the time her generation is in charge, climate awareness will just be inherent in the population.

I’m hoping both of those things come soon.

So innate that our current mode of life will be truly baffling to them; like the old craze for radioactive toothpaste or whatever.

I expect future generations will believe that we were very negligent and foolish. I’d say a more accurate comparison is the way we view lead paint today: we knew it was a bad idea then*, we did it anyway. Much like climate change.

*The toxicity of lead has been known for centuries, but during the early 20th century lead lobbying groups worked to cover up the damage that lead does so they could keep turning a profit on leaded gasoline, paints, plastics, and other materials. This is why the US didn’t ban lead paint or leaded fuel until the 1970s. Much like how corporations today deny climate change to make money.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ naglfar

I’d say a more accurate comparison is the way we view lead paint today

That’s a much better example.

Or to keep the cosmetics theme; maybe I should have gone with the toxic makeups. Even at the time people knew they were lethal; there were satirical cartoons about it.

I do wonder about climate deniers. I’m sure there are some genuinely ignorant people amongst them; but do the political ones really believe what they say? Or is it a right wing virtue signal (in the technical sense of the phrase)?

Ann K
Ann K
1 year ago

Not an original idea with me, but someone else commented on the sad fact that a 16-year-old is “mature” if an adult male wants to have sex with her, but she is “just a child” if she calls adults to task for not safeguarding the only environment we have…

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw
Toxic makeup is sadly still a thing. A while back in another thread I discussed it with Lainy. It appears most lipstick still contains lead. I don’t wear makeup much, but when I do, I have to make an effort to search out that which isn’t toxic.

I do wonder about climate deniers. I’m sure there are some genuinely ignorant people amongst them; but do the political ones really believe what they say? Or is it a right wing virtue signal (in the technical sense of the phrase)?

I think most of them have been brainwashed. They’ve convinced themselves it is the truth. I’ve tried to argue with relatives who deny it, and they refuse to even listen to my arguments, nevermind respond. The only thing they believe is what they see on Fox News.

@Ann K
And in the eyes of the right, a 30 year old man is just a boy if he does something wrong, but a grown man if he does something that isn’t wrong but that they don’t approve of.

Nequam
Nequam
1 year ago

@Naglfar: The Hitler Youth thing was something spread around by Dinesh “rhymes with mouse trigger” D’Souza.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Nequam
Sounds right up Dinesh’s alley. I tried reading one of his books once to understand conservative views, but I couldn’t get very far. Every page required the reader to make ludicrously false assumptions that completely conflicted with reality.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

I get the feeling these guys want to spank a 16 year old girl for other reasons then “punishment”.

As much as I love my parents, they spanked me as a kid. I think it somehow contributed to that being my kink now.

brian
brian
1 year ago

what the heck does “[au]tistic” mean???

Kevin Rooney
1 year ago

And of course, one of them’s an anti-vaxxer too. Remember the days when that shit was mostly associated with left-wing cranks, what we used to call the “crunchy granola” crowd? I’ve noticed that a lot of them have veered from the far-left to the far-right over the last several years; The Huffington Post went from a notorious repository of anti-vaccine propaganda to actively purging it from their pages, while Donald Trump threw anti-vaxxers a bone during his campaign. The same thing happened with 9/11 conspiracy theories; now, for every old-guard Bush-era far-left blogger claiming that Cheney and Halliburton were responsible, you have a far-right YouTuber claiming it was the deep state or the Israelis (and that QAnon is gonna blow it wide open).

ObSidJag
ObSidJag
1 year ago

Interestingly enough, I clicked on the link to Nolte’s twit…er, uhm, tweet and received the message it wasn’t available.

Not knowing much about Twitter, I’m hopeful this means he took it down, hid it, deactivated it, what have you, because Twitter was spanking someone –and it wasn’t the young lady in question.

I say “more power to her.”

As for these so called “adult men” suggesting she be turned over someone’s knee (a position I loathe with the heat of a billion suns), their words tell me *far* more about their fantasies than I ever wanted to know.

Also, I’m not trying to kink shame anyone who *is* into that. I just grew up seeing far too many instances on TV where the plot called for an adult woman to be turned over her husband’s (or some other significant male in her life) and spanked like a child.

My vision still goes full on red haze today if I have the misfortune to stumble over that image in TV or film.

Again, no intention to shame anyone who is into spanking–just my personal squick.

An Impish Pepper
An Impish Pepper
1 year ago

The idea that Thunberg is mentally unstable is extremely telling (Maxime Bernier, a guy who thought Canada’s Conservative party wasn’t being conservative enough and formed his own party, has touted a similar line). I mean, folks like these have repeatedly established that they think mere deviation from their opinions is a mental illness, so I guess I can almost believe that they’re not being flagrantly ableist against autistic people. Almost.

I read an observation recently that protests didn’t seem to effect any change until relatively recently (as in ~5 years ago). Millennials have ultimately been a complicated bunch, but many have been pretty vocally left-leaning (or maybe the Overton window shifted hard right) and open to socialism. We weren’t making memes about eating the rich, but the prevailing notion that the political system needed to be radically fixed was definitely there. It’s just, look at what happened to Occupy. Look at #metoo, which only became a mainstream force for change a couple of years ago. Look at the broken promises of the Kyoto Accord. It seems less like Gen Z is suddenly ultra-woke, and more like they’ve been, in some sense, better equipped to be more vocal about it. Previous generations were promised one thing and given another. With this coming cohort of young adults, that pretense seems to be gone.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

There’s no one more hated than a teenage girl. Especially if she ever steps out of the patriarchal line.

Neremanth
Neremanth
1 year ago

@ brian

what the heck does “[au]tistic” mean???

It ties in with the “gold” that comes a few words later in the tweet: Au is the chemical symbol for gold.

(I see the right haven’t got any wittier.)

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Naglfar:

And in the eyes of the right, a 30 year old man is just a boy if he does something wrong, but a grown man if he does something that isn’t wrong but that they don’t approve of.

Only if he’s white.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
1 year ago

@Karalora

Translation: If the world is ending then it’s God’s will, and if anything our job is to speed it along, all hail the Rapture!

I’ve been suspecting this is the real motif for a while now. Evangelicals can’t wait for the Apocalypse and to watch us burn in hell for all eternity, for having mocked them for their bigotry. They are a malevolent bunch.

They should be careful not to keep on pushing. Lately I’ve been hearing the idea of violent revolution, as a way to save humanity, being more openly discussed than ever before. You can tell there is a greater sense of urgency.

Hopefully the issue gets tackled before it blows up into WWIII.

Dreamer
Dreamer
1 year ago

Ummm – lipstick contains lead? Please link. The only makeup I wear is lipstick to hide skin cancer scars. Love Greta.

Johanna
Johanna
1 year ago

Lipstick: No, it does not contain more than trace amounts of lead, see Snopes https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/easily-lead/ It’s a myth that lipstick contains dangerous levels of lead (and everything you eat or use contains trace amounts of lead, so you can’t expect zero lead anywhere). This is of course for makeup approved by the FDA / European consumer protection agency / whatever your country’s equivalent is. Major makeup brands are safe, some of the stuff you buy on Wish for $0.50 might not be because it might not be tested.

Beating children has been illegal in Sweden since 1979. From my experience teaching in both the US and Sweden, I’d say Swedish kids and young adults are far more independent, willing to question authority, and less sheltered than American kids. I’m not surprised someone like Greta is Swedish (of course, having a rich and famous mother probably helped a bit initially, but overall it’s her own doing).

Ucalegont
Ucalegont
1 year ago

The powers that be are working full time to create the oficial reality that suits their interests. In this case, they are trying aas hard as they can to demolish Thunberg’s reputation. But it doesn’t look like their paternalistic, ableist, and it seems also pervy shit will become hegemonic this time.

“They bark, therefore we’re riding”.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

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Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

Greta Thunberg seems to be the bold, fearless, idiosyncratic spiritual godchild of the fictional Swedish character Pippi Longstocking, beloved by children the world over.

When discussing Pippi, Astrid Lindgren explained that “Pippi represents my own childish longing for a person who has power but does not abuse it.”[10] Although she is the self-proclaimed “strongest girl in the world,” Pippi often uses nonviolence to solve conflicts or protect other children from bullying.[11][12] Pippi has been variously described by literary critics as “warm-hearted,”[7] compassionate,[13] kind,[14] clever,[6] generous,[7][15] playful,[16] and witty to the point of besting adult characters in conversation.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippi_Longstocking

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

Sorry about that garbage post; it was a failed illustration of Ms. Longstocking. The editing function failed to function. David F., please delete that post.

gijoel
gijoel
1 year ago

We need some kind of SJW Krampus to go around and tan the hides of creepy middle aged men when they do creepy shit like this. Sadly they’d probably enjoy it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Dreamer

Ummm – lipstick contains lead? Please link. The only makeup I wear is lipstick to hide skin cancer scars. Love Greta.

Here’s the EPA report from a few years back. It is defitinely possible to find lead free lipsticks, just takes some looking around. But most of the larger brands do contain lead. I put some other links in the previous thread I linked above.

Empress Penguin
Empress Penguin
1 year ago

I really hope someone is helping out with her Twitter account, because I dread to think what her mentions must look like most days.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Kat

So Pippi Longstocking is Swedish Superman? I mean, if I had had boil the concept of Superman down to its essence it would be “What if the most powerful person in the world was also the most moral?”

Two notes about spanking:

One, being spanked did not teach me “respect” or “not to do it again” (I don’t even remember what I did), or any of the other crap that its proponents claim.

It taught me two things:

1. People with more power than me can hurt me with impunity.
2. People who say they love me will deliberately hurt me.

Second, there’s the familiar response any time the issue of “physical discipline” (i.e., child abuse) comes up. Some jackhole proclaims “I don’t see what the big deal is. My parents beat the hell out of me and I turned out okay.”

Someone who thinks child abuse is not a “big deal” probably did not turn out okay.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Allandrel

Second, there’s the familiar response any time the issue of “physical discipline” (i.e., child abuse) comes up. Some jackhole proclaims “I don’t see what the big deal is. My parents beat the hell out of me and I turned out okay.”

Someone who thinks child abuse is not a “big deal” probably did not turn out okay.

I think it’s pretty appalling that so many people think child abuse is ok. If spanking your spouse (without consent) is spousal abuse (and it is), then I don’t see why spanking your child should be considered any differently. It’s still abuse, but shocking is legal in every state (and in some states is used in elementary schools).
Then again, I imagine many child abuse proponents also beat their spouses.

Pie
Pie
1 year ago

@Dreamer

Ummm – lipstick contains lead? Please link

Not very much. Its about 1 part-per-million. If you’re a heavy lipstick user, you might ingest 87mg of lipstick a day, which would be 87ng of lead.

Drinking water limits are in the parts-per-billion range (EPA tapwater limit 15ppb, FDA bottled water limit 5ppb), which means a litre of water might contain several micrograms of lead, more than ten times the amount in that daily dose of lipstick. You’re probably drinking more than one litre of water a day, too.

Linky to my last comment on this, and the thread which started it.

Katamount
1 year ago

It’s telling that snide condescension is all these people can muster against Greta. It’s the standard play when they can’t impugn character: they accuse people of not being able to think for themselves. Hence Greta cannot have come to these conclusions on her own, it has to be some shadowy cabal of (((leftists))) that brainwashed her poor “mentally ill” mind to be terrified of the global climate change all around us. This is the same shit they pulled with the Parkland kids, David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez in particular.

In addition to this notion of being patronizing, insulting and condescending all at once, there’s also a gaslighting element where these assholes are demanding we not believe what’s happening right in front of us. I don’t know Greta’s story myself, but I’d imagine that she experienced something personal with respect to climate change that set her on this crusade. Even if not, the images of extreme weather events alone should sway anybody that this is not normal.

But I don’t think their usual tack of condescension is going to work with Greta Thunberg, because she is just that remarkably genuine in her convictions. It’s clear she’d rather be doing anything else than needling lawmakers not to trash the planet for her generation. If there’s anything disheartening, it’s the centrist libs glomming on to her when they’re the exact people she told off. Yeah, I’m talking about you, Justin Trudeau, you jackass.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

@Naglfar:

the way we view lead paint today

In Canada an equally relevant reference would probably be asbestos. The asbestos industry in Canada is sufficiently well-connected and money-making that they’ve actively distorted research and worked to get themselves special favour in international trade deals.

In the general ‘climate change’ sense…

How old are some of the people complaining about Thunberg? I’m old enough to remember acid rain becoming a big thing in the 1970s, with places literally covering up statues to protect them, and Reagan and Pierre Trudeau coming together to start working on treaties and solutions to this in the early 1980s. I’ve seen the treaties and work on acid rain across the Canada/U.S. border described as proof that we could actually tackle climate change if there were the political will for it: we managed a smaller scale of similar industrial cleanup within the lifetimes of a lot of the politicians currently in office.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Katamount

It’s telling that snide condescension is all these people can muster against Greta. It’s the standard play when they can’t impugn character: they accuse people of not being able to think for themselves. Hence Greta cannot have come to these conclusions on her own, it has to be some shadowy cabal of (((leftists))) that brainwashed her poor “mentally ill” mind to be terrified of the global climate change all around us. This is the same shit they pulled with the Parkland kids, David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez in particular.

The fact that they accuse the left of brainwashing and being unable to think for themselves is just the IMAX-level projection going up again. There is no group more brainwashed and unable to think for themselves than conservatives that reject science in favor of everything their leaders say.
I honestly don’t know how they convince themselves of that stuff. I think if I watched Fox News for long periods of time all I’d get is angry. That happens whenever I have to watch clips of it.

Katamount
1 year ago

@Naglfar

I honestly don’t know how they convince themselves of that stuff. I think if I watched Fox News for long periods of time all I’d get is angry. That happens whenever I have to watch clips of it.

If I had to wager a guess, it’s a combination of just-world fallacy, confirmation bias and just plain selfishness. I’ve seen my fair share of climate denier comment posts, and especially in a petro-state like Canada, everything swirls around concern trolling about the beloved economy. Their comfort in their employment (assuming they haven’t retired) matters more than the health of the planet, which to them is something far too abstract to imagine.

Only problem is that it’s becoming less and less abstract every day for those insulated from its effects. The global south has been living with this for years.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
1 year ago

@Allandrel

Someone who thinks child abuse is not a “big deal” probably did not turn out okay.

Understatement of the year. Abuse turns people violent. I’m still working my way out of this sort of behavior. Parents, authority figures and abusers in general think violence is ok, until the victim fights back. My dad was quite surprised and offended when I gave him the beatdown he had been asking for his whole life, just before I turned 15. Same with my abusive older brother.

Now I don’t actively pursue violence, but I do enjoy every chance to get the jump on an abuser. I believe I’m getting out of it, after nearly two years of therapy, but in the meantime I gotta turn it into something “productive” (and yes, I know it might not exactly be productive strictly speaking, but at the very least the people on the receiving end are always violent abusers).

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

I still remember the day my mom said, “I don’t think you were scarred for life” because of the “physical discipline” she and my dad exercised. We were in a restaurant, but being in public didn’t stop me from saying, “When I was 3 or 4 years old, Dad held me down on the kitchen floor and spooned lima beans into my mouth because I wasn’t eating them voluntarily. You were there and didn’t stop him.”

She was shocked to learn I remembered that, and my expression undoubtedly told her I remembered a lot of other things, too.

I still don’t like lima beans, but since I’m now an adult, I don’t have to eat them if I don’t want to, and NOBODY can make me.

Karalora
Karalora
1 year ago

I’ve been suspecting this is the real motif for a while now. Evangelicals can’t wait for the Apocalypse and to watch us burn in hell for all eternity, for having mocked them for their bigotry. They are a malevolent bunch.

Not only are they hoping to kick-start the End of Days, they think God will reward them for it. They believe the entire purpose of the world is to end in fire and that there is no holier mission than bringing that about.

They hate the world, they hate all other people besides themselves, and I suspect that on some level they hate themselves too. I don’t understand how anyone can look around at this world of ours and say “It’s all gotta go,” and call that mindset holiness.

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
1 year ago

Vaccine damaged [Au]tistic children are the gold the elite trade in.

As a person diagnosed on the high functioning end of the autistic spectrum: I will always…. ALWAYS…..loath and despise any people group of people who believe and continue to propagate the lie and psudoscience notion that Vaccines cause autism. It’s willfully, criminal ignorance and ableism that tacitly implies that it’s better for children to die of terrible, horrible, septic, debilitating, crippling or life threatening diseases that can be easily treated or inoculated against than to be autistic.

The additional implication however that autistic can’t actually have any ideological values, ideas, thoughts or beliefs all their own is another additional bit of ablest condescension that also is disgusting against special needs people. Not to mention hypocritical given the nonsense they try to brainwash their children with.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

Both my parents grew up in abusive home.

My mum was beaten with a carpet beater. To this day she can remember the pattern it left on her thighs.

According to my gran hitting a child with an implement is necessary, because hands are for love and the kid isn’t supposed to associate the hands with discipline.

Barf.

Add to that the gas lighting and strict religious upbringing and it is no wonder my mum contemplated suicide at the ripe old age of 7.

My dad’s parents especially his mother, were emotionally abusive. They wouldn’t get angry. Just disappointed.

There was one aspect of physical abuse that royally fucked up my dad.

He always had to finish his plate. And if he or one of his siblings asked for a smaller serving because they weren’t that hungry? They got an extra large serving instead.

My dad would return home from school around 1pm. And very often he would still sit in front of his lunch plate by the time it was dinner. My dad was a tiny child. He just couldn’t eat that much.

To this day there are phrases that when my dad hears them he just can’t eat anymore for a few hours, no matter how hungry he is. He just can’t.

My parents structured their parenting around looking at what their parents would do in any given situation and then doing the complete opposite.

And since my parents were big on allowing me bodily autonomy, having had none as a kid themselves, this led to spectacular rows. And me not being allowed to stay alone with my grandparents.

I had long standing feud with my maternal grandfather. He insisted on getting a hug and a kiss as a greeting. To the point of trying to pull me in.

When I was little he told my mum ‘Make her!’ my mum told him to go fuck himself.

When I got older he tried to guilt trip me. ‘You’ll be sorry when I’m gone!’

Whelp, he’s been gone for 15+ years and I’m still not sorry.

I might mention that I’m autistic and extremely touch averse.

The only people on the planet allowed to hug me are my parents. Nobody else.