Nancy Pelosi. after an interminable delay, has finally announced the start of a formal impeachment inquiry into Trump’s egregious conduct. We still don’t know what exactly this will mean, but things are definitely starting to heat up for Trump.
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@Diego Duarte seconded on the last paragraph. Russia must become liberal. Brazil must become liberal. China must become liberal. The world must become liberal.
@WWTH
Oh, that was one concern that many people seem to share. I also don’t think it likely that he will leave on his own accord. He will probably try to go all the way to the SC to invalidate the election. If that doesn’t pan out, he will try to convince the military to keep him in the White House.
It’s gonna be all kinds of ugly. Hopefully it doesn’t all devolve into the founding of Gilead.
@WWTH, Diego Duarte
I think someone in a previous thread mentioned that if the president refuses to leave office that there is a protocol in place for getting them out. Not sure what it is. We should make sure it can be implemented, as I am sure he will try to claim the results are invalid and try to stay in office. The possibility of a military dictatorship is worrying, seeing as I believe a large number of military members still support him, including higher ups.
@kupo
I’m sorry to hear that. I used to support Rebecca Watson, so it is rather disappointing that she would do this.
@Naglfar
What is a fail condition to the impeachment though? Like the Republicans not voting for it in the Senate? That’s almost certain to happen. Or is there another fail condition?
@kupo
It’s making a comeback, I hear, because it’s about time, according to Bill Maher. Can’t let the fatties not know they’re fat! /s
Which post was the one you were referring to, though? The LION diet one? I’m reading it now and I’ve come across one snark about women and lying about their diets and this horrible medical advice
but admittedly I haven’t finished reading it yet.
@Big Titty Demon
I’m more worried about repercussions. Some part of me thinks they’ll spin it into “lying Democrats tried to impeach” and they’ll craft a martyrdom narrative. The real fail scenario is if this gets spun into us being the bad guys. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.
There’s just so much wrong with that quote. I’m rather surprised Rebecca Watson posted it.
@Naglfar
Democrats are already the bad guys in the Trump narrative, and we are already lying. He literally said we were lying and it was fake news, before he admitted to the Ukraine call and said he did everything suspected. That fail condition is built in, and his supporters will believe every word of it lock, stock, and barrel. It’s just whether there are in fact any such people as “moderate Republicans” left and whether or not they really have any morals and will vote for the Democratic candidate afterwards.
Re: the quote. I read the rest of the article and it was filled with stuff like the fatties just need to watch their calories, which sucks, but oh well, and eat a whole fruit and a vegetable while they are at it! It was like… well that’s clearly not a person that struggled with their weight, or if they did, they hella forgot what it was like. Damn. It’s not even trying to be gentle. It kind of undermines the concern from the beginning portion of the article, where she was, I think, genuinely trying to debunk JP’s daughter’s terrible all-meat diet based on concern for people’s health if they followed it.
@Big Titty Demon
That’s the one. It gets worse. Sounded like it got even worse than the point I noped out at, too. I’m done, not going to read Skepchick anymore unless she gives a true apology and addresses how she’s going to change her behavior going forward, which I expect to never happen. My mental health can’t take the hit.
@Big Titty Demon
You’re right. I guess I just need to wait and see what happens. I’m glad we are taking steps to impeach, even if it is late.
I’m guessing it’s someone who has never struggled with weight but thinks they know better than those who have.
All meat diets seem rather sketchy, much like everything else Peterson says. I can assume that it’s probably not the best diet. That being said, this is not the way to discuss and debunk.
@kupo
I hadn’t read Skepchick in a while, but now that this has been posted I’ll not be checking back again either.
A white supremacist? Seriously?
Some of you need to get over yourselves. Pelosi is a centrist, true. And a tactician. (and people with more self awareness could see when they are not.) But calling her a white supremacist is ridiculous and shows a slide into horseshoe/purity pony thinking.
Whatever the fuck is wrong with you people?
Yeah, must be something wrong with us to recognize white supremacist behavior when we see it. ? I mean, come on, have you seen how she goes after the fab four? Why them, specifically, do you think?
@Kevin:
Thanks for that extra bit of good news…and totally loving the “BoJo the Clown” moniker!
Bastard deserves it.
Okay she’s a ass kissing coward that serves no ones interest but her own and what she can get out of it, who has so far bent the boot to a tyrant. Sounds like someone you’d actually get along with quite well.
Probably plenty, but at least we don’t lurk around a blog for the express purpose of jumping in and telling the commenters how awful they are every once in a while.
ot but it’s an open thread and I’m excited
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@Catwoman
A “tactician” whose greatest accomplishment during the Trump administration was to not give him the votes for his wall, which other democrats would never have agreed to anyway. A “tactician” that has raked in more Ls because of her reluctance to do absolutely anything.
Seriously, where the fuck do people get off thinking she’s brilliant for precisely not doing a fucking thing whilst Trump and republicans run circles around their whole party? She hasn’t managed to counter a fucking thing they’ve been doing to conduct power grab after power grab.
And yes, she is a White supremacist. Like we’ve said, she has done nothing to prevent Trump from violating the fundamental rights of minorities, yet she takes substantial time to criticize the Squad both at home and abroad, and she organizes the Democrat caucus to bully and isolate them?
She is undeniably a grade-A racist. She will be remembered as a coward and a Nazi enabler.
I hope Giuliani stays safe for a while longer. He seems to be incapable of not blurting out things damaging to Trump.
@WWTH:
I’m not sure whether there really are moderate Republicans any more. But, as far as Trump’s stability goes, the one thing we can be almost certain of is that he’s not going to improve in that respect. In fact, the impeachment process will probably push him further off the rails. On the one hand, this is dangerous: what will he decide to do as distraction? On the other, the more unstable he gets, the greater the chance that Republican senators will turn against him, out of pure self-preservation.
The biggest possible mess I can think of is if Trump isn’t impeached, then the Russians manipulate the vote in his favor, and then the Chinese manipulate the vote in the Democratic candidate’s favor (they’re not our friends, they just hate Trump) and then everyone finds out about both of those things. Who the hell knows how that would shake out. I mean, the obvious thing would be to tighten election security and revote, but I suspect that wouldn’t happen easily or at all, regardless of who “won”.
“She is undeniably a grade-A racist. She will be remembered as a coward and a Nazi enabler.”
There’s no supporting objective evidence for those statements. And even if they were tangentially connected to reality as we know it, Pelosi would hardly be a “grade A” racist. Grade “K”, possibly. More like “Q”….. Grade “A” is Richard Spencer, Mitch McConnell territory.
This community has now become another example of how uncritical outrage leads to the horseshoe effect, in turn leading to irrelevance.
If this is who you’ve decided to be–alleged feminists irrationally outraged at a female politician doing the best with what she has in a first past the post system with limited options, further limited by an opposition acting in bad faith and exploiting every loophole to keep power– and your main criticism isn’t you disagree with her centrism and caution or think she should have done x strategy but that she’s A FRICKING NAZI?
Then your community has ceased being rational or relevant actors.
I will suggest that most of you have never gone toe to toe, in real life with actual racists or their quislings. If you ever had, you could see this as hyperbole in the very bad taste that it is.
Comparing ICE to Nazis is rational.
Comparing Pelosi to “grade A racists” borders on delusion.
This community of leftists has, in spite of their belief in their super smartz, actually swallowed right wing misogyny repackaged for leftists. Surprise! Don’t ya’ll feel dumb?
Now you know how Bernie Bros came to hate Hilary so much. Or you all would if you had self awareness.
Farewell.
AT. LONG. LAST.
@C4twoman
Even if she is, supposedly, not an actual White supremacist: she is, by all appearances and rapports: “doing white supremacisy”; with is a distinction with little to no actual difference; and frankly at the end of the day such a distinction doesn’t matter much.
Plus; appeals to the “balance fallacy” does not a sound argument or thesis make.
Note from a foreign (country) point of view : nobody expressed anything that classify her as more than a passive enabler for white supremacy. It look more like she is truly hated so people call her names, but politics don’t need, and could not, be only about cold calculation.
That being said, I can see a remake of the last election if Nancy Pelosy is candidate, and while I wasn’t super attentive, I have the general impression that Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton draw much bigger ires than male counterparts like Joe Biden, here like elsewhere (who is hated around here too, mind you, but at least on appareance a lot less so).
Now, once again, as a foreigner maybe I missed something that make thoses two much more despisable than the other democrat leader. Or maybe you think you hate them equally but without meaning it unload a lot more against the female one. Or maybe it’s entirely perception from my part.
White supremacy is still very much the status quo in the US. Thus it’s no surprise that centrists like Pelosi are upholding it and it’s fair to say that they are white supremacists themselves. They may not be as obvious about it as right wingers, but they’re doing just as much harm. In the end, centrists will always side with fascism.
@Lainy
Congratulations on your wedding! I am so happy for you.
@C4twoman
Where do you get off on constantly showing up to tell us how awful we all are? There are at least 3 other threads where you’ve done this.
But to respond to your comment: Pelosi is definitely a white supremacist. Look at it this way: in a fascist regime, there are two sides: the fascists and the opposition. Anyone who isn’t standing up to the fascists is one of them. Pelosi has repeatedly failed to stand up to Trump, and has actively tried to harm minority congresswomen like Omar and AOC. She may not be as vocal about it as Trump, but she definitely is racist. To do nothing in the face of oppression is to be an oppressor.
I found a few other threads where C4twoman made similar comments. This is not a complete list, but it’s a start:
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2019/07/27/a-dollar-store-chain-was-selling-black-dolls-for-white-people-to-beat-up-brand-new-ugly/#comment-278959
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2019/08/09/women-literally-get-headaches-when-they-think-too-hard-complete-dumbass-explains/comment-page-2/#comment-2813320
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2019/08/25/incels-now-oppressed-by-women-breaking-eye-contact-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2838073
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