Nancy Pelosi. after an interminable delay, has finally announced the start of a formal impeachment inquiry into Trump’s egregious conduct. We still don’t know what exactly this will mean, but things are definitely starting to heat up for Trump.
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What’s the over-under on Trump having a grand ol’ fit of apoplexy?
LOCK HIM UP!
And not before time.
It’s embarrassing that Pelosi had to be dragged kicking and screaming into this, and the blowback from Trump could be severe.
But for tonight I’m going to allow myself a few hours of happiness. It’s needed.
The Roommate’s response: “Well, it took them long enough”. I feel that The Roommate is correct here. At least it’s finally happening.
@WWTH
He already said he thinks this is good for him. If this fails, things could go very badly for us. I’m worried.
@WWTH
I stand by what I said last thread: she is also a White supremacist at worst, and a racist at best. She had absolutely no trouble going out of her way to target congresswomen of color, and even organizing everyone in the caucus to isolate them.
Even if the Senate refuses to pass the impeachment, it will be on their court. Knowing Moscow Mitch, he will definitely not allowed it to pass, but he seems to be on his way out already.
Hopefully Pelosi gets primaried the fuck out by someone bolder, but considering Chuck Schumer was just quietly blackballing companies or anybody throwing their weight behind progressive candidates, I doubt it will happen.
It still horrifies me that his enablers and cultists DON’T CARE. They want their bigoted paradise with us all crushed underfoot and worse. 🙁
Lol Trump was apparently scheduled to be at the United Nations until 9 PM, but left early to go to Trump Tower and throw a tantrum
@Naglfar
Not to minimize or de-legitimize your concerns but, contrary to what the Democrat Party and Pelosi believe, NOT standing up against bullies and abusers doesn’t work, and what is more it further empowers them.
I would even argue that Pelosi’s pre-emptive announcement that she wasn’t gonna impeach him on the collusion with Russia scandal, empowered him to seek help once more, this time from Ukraine.
He has already been dealing blow after blow to what he perceives as his enemies. Look at how he did away with state air pollution restrictions set by California.
There are children on concentration camps.
He needs to be impeached on absolutely ALL of these charges.
Yes, but Trump’s a fucking moron who doesn’t know shit about basically anything.
It may be good for him with his base, but those dumb fucks were going to vote for Cheeto Jesus anyway. It won’t be good for him with anyone else, and he’s too fucking delusional and Fox-addled to understand that.
I just hope they start throwing the other members of his administration in prison for their crimes, too, so those evil fuckstains with a R after their name think twice about pulling this shit again.
It will be bad when McConnell refuses to act despite overwhelming evidence.
It would be worse if Pelosi kept letting Trump get away with everything.
@Diego Duarte
She absolutely is a white supremacist, as is Schumer, and every single ‘moderate’ or ‘centrist’ in the U.S., bar none.
@Diego Duarte
I didn’t say not to do it. I want the impeachment to move forward. I’m just worried about what could happen next. Sorry if what I said was unclear.
@Gaebolga
I know he is a moron, and I know his base won’t change. I was more worried that if the impeachment doesn’t go through (and McConnell won’t allow it) that his party will find a way to spin it such that it looks bad for Democrats. I know impeachment is the right thing to do, and I support doing it.
I too would like to see Trump in prison for the rest of his life. Maybe he can be cell mates with Pence and Giuliani.
Sorry if my earlier remarks seemed to be against impeachment. I am for impeachment, I’m just nervous. My apologies if this was unclear.
So two good news stories today from my point of view. This morning there was the decision of the UK High Court that BoJo the Clown’s prorogation of Parliament was unlawful and they should resume their business. This evening the news of impeachment proceedings starting against Don Combover is a soothing nightcap for the moment.
@Naglfar
I’m not dismissing your concerns, they are perfectly valid. Before Trump assumed the presidency, everyone who knew him was warning us he was extremely vengeful and petty. He would then go on to prove he was exactly that, which is what every textbook narcissist does.
Could he do worse? Yes, quite frankly he could, and his base would love him for it. But he’s already been on that loop and, despite what he tries to get us to believe, this sort of shit unhinges him. He is terrible at playing defense. Remember that whole “I’m fucked!” bit that came out of the Mueller probe?
Impeachment proceedings tend to be long, so hopefully, even if they are ultimately dismissed by McConnell, they will drag out well into the election next year. That would de-moralize him and sidetrack him with so many things.
I mean, the guy has already been adopting Neo-Nazi parafernalia and insignias. The way he’s headed he could move towards open fascism pretty soon. I fear he is already playing all his cards because he is afraid what come next after he loses the 2020 election.
@weirwoodtreehugger
I don’t think Pelosi was dragged into it. Her one great skill as a politician is controlling her caucus in important votes. Her hesitation all these months means she wasn’t going to get 218 votes for impeachment, and a failed vote in the House would have been the worst possible result in this catastrophe of a presidency. That she is willing to go forward now means Ukraine has changed the political calculus of the more selfish Dems and Pelosi can count on having enough votes when the times comes.
@Diego Duarte
My hope is that proceedings will reveal how repulsive he is to possible swing voters (I don’t think there are many, but there could be some) and maybe sway them away from him. Not sure if this will happen, but it might.
He seems extra fascistic lately, so I share that fear. The scarier part, though, is that millions of Americans support him still. Someone told me shortly after the election “not everyone who voted for him is a fascist.” That’s BS. Anyone who supports what he is now doing is unambiguously a fascist.
@Naglfar
As far as voters leaving him, his trade wars with China are costing him the rural vote. His tax returns also decimated plenty of small businesses and working class White people, who are now re-evaluating whether their racism is worth more than their livelihood. And granted it’s not all of them, but it’s enough of them to put him at 38% of voter intention, per Fox News polls. And if it’s Fox News, the reality might be that his voter intention is in the low 30s.
Now if we could only get rid of Putin, Bolsonaro and Xi Jingping as well…
@Kevin – yes, exactly. So two news stories today in which state leaders are shown that even their actions can have consequences.
I’m worried about Moscow Mitch just doing another block-em-all move, but I think it’s good that the centrist Dems have finally been spurred to action. I really, really hope that this time isn’t going to be another Mueller, or Kavanaugh, or tax return subpoena…
BTW a friend just sent this article my way, by Seth Abramson. Most interesting read.
Pair of interesting articles in The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/sep/19/why-cant-we-agree-on-whats-true-anymore
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/29/why-we-stopped-trusting-elites-the-new-populism
Time to DESTROY the institutions that serve only religious fundamentalism, big companies and what is effectively an empire because of the state consistently acting against the interests of its own people and often serving itself and the former two institutions.
Since this is an open thread, let me just express my disappointment that Rebecca Watson just posted an incredibly fatphobic video/article. ?
I’m pretty well convinced that if Trump doesn’t manage to steal the election and he loses, he will not leave office. At least not if he thinks he has the backing to get away with it.
I’ve got to wonder if the elites have finally decided he’s too unstable to be worth it anymore. Especially as they already got their tax cut and court appointments. The clue will be if the “moderate*” Republicans abandon him. I mean, I’d like to think it was pressure from the left that did it, but I don’t know.
It’s going to be a wild year in 2020.
The one good thing I’ll say about Pelosi, the first good thing I’ve said in awhile is that she doesn’t like to lose. Know that she’s approved impeachment going forward, going forward is what it will do. To be clear, I agree with the criticisms of her from the left though.
* moderate by GOP standards, which means slight less overtly fascist but only because they like the appearance of living in a civil and well ordered society.