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Women are incapable of leadership (except for tech CEO Lisa Su, who’s basically a man), selectively misogynistic MGTOW declares

Advanced Micro Devices CEO Lisa Su: The only acceptable female with power?

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By David Futrelle

Have you all got your MGTOW Bingo cards out? Good, because I’ve found a little screed in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit that I’d like to share with you and I’m pretty sure that you’l be able to fill those cards right up.

Yesterday, a MGTOWcalling himself Forevery0ung12 graced the MGTOW subreddit with a wall-o-text purporting to explain “Why women are incapable to lead men, corporations and turn into tyrants.”

Well, all women but one, that is. We’ll get to her in a moment. But first let’s hear Mr. Forevery’s case against all the other women in the worlld.

The reason why women are tyrants is because they have authority without responsibility. It’s inherent that they are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. Therefore women with any authority or power will be tyrants.

By contrast, I guess, all men always behave completely responsibly at all times.

Forevery continues:

Give a 12 year old girl power over you and see how that ends. Just look at spoiled children how they behave. Women are children, they stop developing physically at 16 and mentally between the start and end of puberty. Ask yourself what a child will do and you will start to read women like a book.

We’ve got the equivalent of a 12-year-old boy running the US right now, and that’s not working out too well.

Men are capable of ruling and being kings, women always are either controlled heavily by counsel or turn to tyrants.

This is why women shouldn’t vote or have anything to do with politics, and certainly not rule.

Ah, women’s suffrage! One of the burning issues of 2019 1919.

Womens only purpose in life has always been to bear children, take care of infants and toddlers to the age of 5 and do monotonous tasks such as sewing or picking berries. Ever wondered why women are obsessed with monotonous tasks such as sewing, crosswords and the like? Because they evolved to.

Yeah, it’s not like men are ever obsessed with activities that others might find highly monotonous.

Women were made for making babies and taking care of the helpless and men were made to do EVERYTHING else, that is why women are only good at things that are correlated with child birth, flexibility being one of them.

Huh. Just off the top of my head, I’d say that this doesn’t seem very “correlated with child birth.” Though I suppose if she had done this routine while in labor the baby would’ve popped right out.

Another one is distinguishing color, which was helpful for finding and picking berries and the like in the hunting gathering phase of humanity (this is the only thing that isn’t directly correlated to child birth that I can think of).

This is honestly the only example of women being competent at something other than making babies that you can think of? Apparently you’re not very good at thinking of things, dude.

But hey, at least he doesn’t hate women.

Women are inferior to men, but hating them for simply being children is silly. … Women, like children, should be taken care of, but in the current climate the state does that for us through our money and crucify men so we’re incapable of doing our jobs without putting our lives on the line.

Apparently the men you see at work sitting on their asses at desks all day are secretly alligator wranglers protecting their offices from the constant threat of reptilian invasion.

This doesn’t benefit men nor women, but women are the majority of voters and very short sighted and this cannot end until men take womens rights away or they lose them naturally when we run out of money.

But don’t worry, ladies! Forevery does think there are a few exceptional women who maybe should be allowed to do shit like men. Except that he sort of thinks that they are already men, kind of.

There are some exceptions however and that is women at the very end of the bell curve with extreme male brains and high IQ. They develop some characteristics of men but the vast majority of them are not interested in men, but either other women or asexual.

He’s able to think of one whole example of this: the allegedly sort-of-manly woman who’s the CEO of computer chip giant Advanced Micro Devices.

A good example of this is Lisa Su, the CEO of AMD. Sure, gotten alot of credit for shit she hasn’t done but to be frank, she’s one of the most successful CEOs at this time. Doesn’t mean that she is as capable as a man, just that she is one in a 1000 with extreme male brain. I don’t think she has children, but she does have a husband. This doesn’t make her a nawalt [not all women are like that] however, she just inherited by mutation some features of men.

I guess men can’t do genetics. Or at least this one dude called Forevery0ung12 can’t: if you acquire a characteristic through genetic mutation, by definition you aren’t inheriting it. (You can inherent your parent’s mutations, though.)

At least I think that’s how it works, though admittedly to these guys I’m probably a mushy female-brained man who can’t logick right.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

We’ve got the equivalent of a 12-year-old boy running the US right now, and that’s not working out too well.

I find it incorrect to compare Trump to a child. I have never met any children as awful as he is. Most children I know are much better.
And yes, some 12 year old boys are jerks, but none that I’ve ever met are anywhere near as awful as Trump.
Although there was one boy who bullied me throughout middle school and high school who in retrospect was quite a bit like Trump. I haven’t seen him since I was 16, but I’m almost positive he’s MAGA scum now.

MsEdgyNation
MsEdgyNation
1 year ago

Thanks, David. Now I have a mental image of a pregnant Simone Biles twirling around in the air, then a baby shooting out of her and sailing in a graceful arc across the arena to land in the lap of an astonished onlooker.

Hambeast
Hambeast
1 year ago

Naglfar – 12 year old boys are selectively jerks; they can rein it in when they need to.

MsEdgyNation – If she doesn’t catch the baby herself, it’s a .5 deduction.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I don’t suppose this dude has any science to back up his assertion that women’s cognitive development stops at age 12? Because I studied a little bit of neuroscience in college and he’s definitely wrong about that.

Oh wait. My professor was a feeeeemaaaale. I guess she was just teaching us silly little girly fantasies!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

“Extreme male brain” is the new “no true Scotsman”.

Womens only purpose in life has always been to bear children, take care of infants and toddlers to the age of 5

Because everyone knows kids don’t need adult care once they turn 6.

I swear, listening to these guys go on is like listening to preschoolers earnestly explain how to cook a Thanksgiving turkey, or something else they clearly have no idea how to do, except it’s much less adorable coming from an adult.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

I think the main problem with pregnant gymnastic is how you need to wait 9 months between each training. And at the olympics, they better get well synchronized !

Specialffrog
Specialffrog
1 year ago

I think “extreme male brain” is a term used by semi-crank neuroscientist Simon Baron Cohen to describe people on the autism spectrum.

As far as I can tell he is about the only prominent neuroscientist who thinks there are significant brain differences between men and women so not surprised the manosphere has latched on to him.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Specialffrog

I think “extreme male brain” is a term used by semi-crank neuroscientist Simon Baron Cohen to describe people on the autism spectrum.

Fixed that for you. He’s a full crank.
The thing is, the whole extreme male brain theory is a total disconnect from any reality I’ve observed. I know a lot of autistic people, myself included, and none of them seem to fit that model. Maybe some people on the spectrum are hypermasculine, but none of the people I know are. This is just my experience, so maybe I just haven’t seen a representative sample.
The only people I’ve ever heard say the extreme male brain thing are that idiot Simon Baron Cohen and Mercedes Carrera, a convicted child abuser, so maybe it’s not the most accurate theory.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

Love to see this cockdrip explaining his thesis to Angela Merkel, Jacinda Ardern, Erna Solberg, Katrín Jakobsdóttir, and Mette Frederiksen.

Specialffrog
Specialffrog
1 year ago

@Naglfar: I agree that his views on autism and gender differences in brains are crankery (and so does most of his field).

I was mostly hedging in my labelling in case he has made some non-crank contributions to the field of which I am unaware.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Specialffrog

I was mostly hedging in my labelling in case he has made some non-crank contributions to the field of which I am unaware.

I don’t think he has, but I could be wrong. Generally, even if someone has some legitimate work but is best known for BS, I call them a crank. For example, Jordan Peterson at one point published some legitimate research while teaching at Harvard, but I don’t think that means he shouldn’t be called out for what he is, or that he should be trusted in his evo-psych BS.

Jesalin, Goddess of Lust & Pleasure
Jesalin, Goddess of Lust & Pleasure
1 year ago

The reason why women are tyrants is because they have authority without responsibility. It’s inherent that they are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. Therefore women with any authority or power will be tyrants.

Holy fucking projection, Batman!

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

Anyway, a single Greta Thunberg is worth a thousand of this chud.

Nequam
Nequam
1 year ago

Is Simon Baron Cohen related to Sacha Baron Cohen?

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Nequam
Cousins, apparently.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

OT, but if anyone wants a nice positive story, here’s Megan Fox talking about how she supports her son’s love of wearing dresses.
https://dlisted.com/2019/09/20/megan-fox-says-her-son-gets-made-fun-of-for-wearing-dresses-but-he-doesnt-care/#more-350142

Always nice to see parents not trying to force gender conformity. The kid seems like quite a character and he’s super adorable.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

“Extreme male brain” sounds like a riff on the old “galaxy brain” meme. I’m assuming the progression goes:

Normie brain
Edgelord brain
Redpill brain
Extreme male brain

Michael Suttkus, II
Michael Suttkus, II
1 year ago

I can’t think of a task less monotonous than taking care of a five-year old, or a task more monotonous than the office-work he thinks is best suited for men. But I may have an extreme female brain, because I like doing puzzles a lot. Maybe I’m balancing out Lisa Su! I’m helping!

But, um, mutations are heritable. I mean, all of our genes are mutations of something else.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Michael Suttkus, II

But I may have an extreme female brain, because I like doing puzzles a lot.

I like puzzles too. But I never thought of it as a gendered thing, just a thing I like to do.

tim gueguen
1 year ago

It’s funny that he seems to think there’s a difference between tyrants and kings. A large percentage of kings throughout history were tyrants.

Robert Haynie
Robert Haynie
1 year ago

Hambeast said: If she doesn’t catch the baby herself, it’s a .5 deduction.

Well, only if the baby can’t stick the landing.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Baby catching seems more like a rhythmic gymnastics thing than an artistic gymnastics thing.

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weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

And I just realized that the world rhythmic championships were a few days ago. I know what I’m watching this weekend!

WMDK
WMDK
1 year ago

Dude’s projecting harder than an IMAX theater.

Also, “we’ve got the equivalent of a 12-year-old boy running the US right now[.]” — I think that’s a bit generous, he’s more like a 2-year-old boy.

(Apologies if this double-posts!)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

These rants always read as if the OP’s mother just poked her head in the door and asked if he’d finished his math homework yet.

Tyrant: “Turn off the computer for two minutes and take out the trash, please.”

Not Tyrant: “This group of subhumans that I despise shouldn’t have the same basic rights as me.”

Funny how when you look back through history, the vast majority of tyrants have been male, with only a rare few women sprinkled in (Elizabeth Bathory, Bloody Mary, Elena Ceaucescu). One suspects the sort of “tyrant” he’s referring to are the moms, teachers, and social workers who want him to improve himself, acquire a work ethic, and think of other people once in awhile. And the prospective girlfriends who have standards for behavior, which get interpreted as unreasonable requirements. How dare women make him do things!

Another one is distinguishing color

This might actually be true, given that MGTOWs see the world in black and white. Nuance is totally lost on them.

Susan
Susan
1 year ago

I am offended at the Trump comparison on behalf of my 12 year old son!

Shadowplay
1 year ago

Another one is distinguishing color

This might actually be true, …

It is. Especially in the mid-range of the visible spectrum, women can distinguish far more colour shades than men.

Been known since the 60s – and many towering edifices of evopsych BS have been built on that fact.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Shadowplay
I heard somewhere that women also have a better sense of smell. I’m sure the evo-psych fans have something to say about that too.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Especially in the mid-range of the visible spectrum, women can distinguish far more colour shades than men.

Is this a universal thing? I know men are more often color blind (as in having only two color receptor pigments instead of the usual three) and some women are tetrachromats (having four functionally different pigments).

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Lumipuna
I don’t think the two are connected. Colorblindness is more common in people who are assigned male at birth because the most common form of colorblindness is X-linked recessive, so someone with XY chromosomes only needs to have 1 copy of the colorblind allele on that one X chromosome to be colorblind, while someone with XX (or for that matter XXY or XXX or any other genotype with more than 1 X) chromosomes needs to have copies on all the X chromosomes, as non-colorblind alleles on another X chromosome will override colorblind alleles on others.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Naglfar:

I meant that, to my knowledge, most men do have a functional allele for that particular pigment you refer to (in reference to colorblindness), so their color perception ability should be similar to most* women.

*if you have two X chromosomes, you might have alleles for two clearly functionally different forms of that pigment, which gives you better than usual color perception ability but I think this isn’t very common?

So if there’s some other issue, I’m curious for references.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Lumipuna
Oh. I thought you were suggesting something else. Sorry if what I said was something you already knew.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

No problem, this whole thing is just my habitual nitpicking 🙂

jefrir
jefrir
1 year ago

Best evidence is that the “women are better at perceiving colours” thing is cultural thing: caring about colours is positioned as a feminine thing, so women are encouraged in it and get more practice. Caring about words is also commonly seen as feminine, and knowing more words for colours does genuinely help you distinguish them.

JetGirl
JetGirl
1 year ago

Women are obsessed with crosswords? Aren’t most crossword writers/editors men?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@JetGirl
Can’t speak for other women, but my grandmother was obsessed with crosswords. She would spend hours each evening filling them out.
I’ve never seen the appeal. I like Scrabble but that’s the reverse. Crosswords to me are just not very interesting.

JetGirl
JetGirl
1 year ago

My dad was obsessed. And yes, most crossword writers are indeed male. Not that the MGTOW makes any sense, but that statement was just weird.

Amtep
Amtep
1 year ago

For anyone interested: xkcd did a large color-names survey, and didn’t find a big difference in colors distinguished by male vs female respondents.

Results are here: https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/

Talonknife
Talonknife
1 year ago

I think there are two types of monotony. There’s the monotony of tasks we don’t enjoy, which are what we usually think of when we say something is monotonous. Essentially, things that are boring. However, there’s a second kind monotony, which is things that are relaxing in their simplicity. For example, I know that objectively speaking, spending hours painting plastic miniatures should be a highly monotonous task, yet I could easily waste a whole day doing it if I so inclined. Sometimes it’s nice to do something simple and repetitive to let our brains disengage for a while.

Vaiyt
Vaiyt
1 year ago

Reminds me of when I was poking a racist asshat on Pharyngula who, when pressed on rich Asian nations vs. poor Western nations, just reclassified Japan and Korea as Western.

Amtep
Amtep
1 year ago

This “extreme male brain” stuff reminds me of “that’s mighty white of you”, which used to be something people actually said.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

I find the “extreme male brain” thing terribly funny, because that’s how many people have tried to describe autism.

And yet, despite being male and my autism supposedly giving me an “extreme male brain,” I have always been super bad at performing masculinity.

It’s almost like this gender stuff is a load of crap.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Allandrel
Not only that, but it seems that a very large number of autistic people are trans or non-binary like me. Not exactly extremely male there.
My limited experience with other spectrum individuals leads me to believe that like myself, many are androgynous. Not all, obviously, but quite a few that I’ve met are.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Naglfar
Studies indicate that autistic people are ~8 times more likely to be gender variant than cis people. Or at any rate 8 times more likely to acknowledge it.

rv97
rv97
1 year ago

Interesting how they seem to exempt AMD and their current CEO. I guess the subreddit /r/ayymd and various places dedicated to meme-ing the company seemed to have made a name for themselves. Also, as someone who has kept up on this a little bit, I guess AMD seemed to have made a name for themselves despite being many times smaller than a company like Intel.

I think some of it is done out of resentment towards how they believe tech companies are bowing down to political correctness (AMD did this too, just several years late): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyD_Q8RZh_M

I could be bullshitting here, but I guess it’s because Lisa Su looks less like a typically attractive woman to them compared to a dirtbag like Susan Wojcicki, the CEO that allows far-right shitstains to thrive on YouTube and cares more about money than consumers’ interests (they’d consider her unattractive too I reckon because of her age, and otherwise too “woke”). I argue there’s a bit of racism in here motivating this specific case.

Su here has appeared “fairer” to consumers, where those who want to buy AMD hardware do not have to replace their motherboards for four years as of around 2016 if they want to upgrade their CPUs annually. Wojcicki fucks over consumers by somehow simultaneously maintaining a “woke” reputation, but giving the far right a platform, thus drawing the ire of everyone except advertisers and some people on the right.

The problem is capitalism and how most people worldwide still hold repressive values. Capitalism or market fundamentalism excuses what’s “natural” even if completely reprehensible, and often for a profit. People believe oppressing women is “natural” because that’s how it’s supposed to be according to religious scriptures, or that’s how it works between animals.

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
1 year ago

@rv97

The problem is capitalism and how most people worldwide still hold repressive values. Capitalism or market fundamentalism excuses what’s “natural” even if completely reprehensible, and often for a profit. People believe oppressing women is “natural” because that’s how it’s supposed to be according to religious scriptures, or that’s how it works between animals.

And that kind of notion, on it’s face, doesn’t really pan out either; since in the animal kingdom, the definition of what’s “natural”, is at best: varied and extensive, if not outright arbitrary most of the time. Their are animals where females of a given species are the one’s in charge and males the subservient ones, and others still where it’s purely egalitarian between the males and females…. or the fact their could be possibility for males to become female and vice-versa.

As for humans though; due to the distinct nature of our being thanks to our path of evolution of our species; our so called “nature” can change on a whim, is hugely varied and is completely arbitrary. Our “nature” is in fact malleable like plastic, or of the animal kingdom it is the most malleable in the shortest amount of time; we are a species of change and reinvention, often by our very own wills.

Than again, I could just be wondering though a weird line of philosophical thought; but it kind of makes a biological organism think, ya know?

rv97
rv97
1 year ago

@Tactical Progressive
I think it’s a fear of straying from human norms that’s primarily motivating this, plus, a system that allows men to abuse power too, since they’re regarded as more important based on what they’re thought to contribute to.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Dalillama

Interesting. The two biggest factors that I can think of for this are that, first, in order to be diagnosed as autistic, one first needs access to psychiatric help. And thus is more likely to become aware of gender variance than someone without help.

The second is that because autistic people tend (stereotypically) not to understand social conventions very well, or give them as much importance as non-autistic people do, we are more likely to be open about gender variance.

So much like the supposed increase in autism, I personally think that the percentages of occurrence (don’t know the right term) are not any different, just the percentages of known occurrence.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Allandrel

The second is that because autistic people tend (stereotypically) not to understand social conventions very well, or give them as much importance as non-autistic people do, we are more likely to be open about gender variance.

I think it also has to do with not fitting into social norms in general, and gender is another thing that I don’t really pay much attention to fitting into. I’m not publicly out about my gender identity (non-binary), but I would say that that has more to do with the fact that if I was out, I would constantly be having to explain it to people who don’t understand.

So much like the supposed increase in autism, I personally think that the percentages of occurrence (don’t know the right term) are not any different, just the percentages of known occurrence.

I agree. The amount of it is the same, I would imagine that simply more people are getting diagnosed.