Fursona Non Grata: Milo banned from upcoming furry convention, says he’s going anyway

Twilight Sparkle is ALWAYS best pony. Even if some people here favor Fluttershy.

Applejack.

That is all.

OF COURSE he is. That’s what rapey types DO.
They DO NOT know how to hear the word “NO’.

https://backtalk.kinja.com/and-yet-the-rapeugnicans-continue-to-blindly-push-forw-1829359701

I don’t understand these people. Identifying with made-up groups, dressing up in ridiculous costumes that must be very uncomfortable in bad weather, going on an on about how special they are because they like a thing that other people did, all their gatherings where they dress up in those absurd costumes…

Man, I can’t stand sports fans.

Furries? Hey, I’d like to dress up as a space elf if I had the money and costuming skill. Whatever floats your boat.

He followed this up by suggesting that the organizers were a bunch of pedophiles.

Which is rich coming from a guy who’s on the record as being pro-pedophilia.

Gee, pictures of snow leopards, but not of one of their more famous traits?

… snow leopards are known for self-devouring behavior?

@Jenora Feuer:

Ah. I see.

Which kind of suggests that one of the advantages humans have had in the evolutionary race is… hairy noses.

I am probably reading entirely the wrong thing into this.

Furry here, Milo knows as much about furries as he does games, given how lgbt (Emphasis on T) people have been a part of the furry community, so he really should have saw this coming, also the Proud boys are gonna try and crash it, hopefully they will fail and I’m 150% sure Milo told them because he was mad he got denied, hopefully it won’t result in a repeat of the terrorist attack at MFF 5 years ago

@Naglfar

Sorry for the late reply, I’ve gone back to college and the homework +exam was kicking my butt.

Anyway. Yeah babyfur is a sort of system where a furry’s fursona is a baby/toddler, or sometimes a VERSION of their regular fursona is a baby like it’s an AU, and they pretend to be babies or dress their fursuit in a baby outfit with diaper and pacifier or whatever, frequently in public situations as well. Sometimes they set up a playpen on the dance floor at the conventions. A lot of people don’t like it, but they are catered to to a greater degree than many other odd kink subgroups of furry. I do not want to kinkshame it, but would like to register my dismay and concern about the individuals that use it as an excuse to roleplay so hard that they actually USE the diapers they wear for their toileting needs… sometimes IN THE FURSUIT in the diaper, and leave the used diapers around the hotel while walking around smelling like an outhouse. I mean, roleplay however you want for sex or fun with other consenting adults – in your own home – but that’s a health hazard the general public didn’t consent to.

I could talk about the art, too, but there’s a lot of controversy about the nature and ethicality of it, because there is a fairly heavy emphasis on erotic/adult artwork in furry fandom and babyfurs are no different… so that’s best avoided, I think.

@Ingmar

As far as the question of wither the means of measuring wither a person is a fascist as “someone incredibly self centered”: I would honestly say on the side of “No”, because fascism typically refers to a specific line and set of social-political, and ideological thought, notions and ideals, as well as varied social, economic policies and other such systemic nuances. A person who would be “incredibly self centered” is nothing more than a simple narcissist.

Properly parsing out things in this manner specifically helps to draw clear, defined, nuanced distinctions and to accurately label and identify properly; persons, ideals, and behavior. That being said, however: it would be more accurate and a more fairer statement to say that fascism, as social-political ideology, tends to attract, enable and be home to a great deal of incredibly self centered narcissists; and I’d say that to some arguable degree this is even by design as an ideology. Plus said fascist ideals, notions, policies, ect can be made and are even designed to feed into said narcissism but this particular line is simply a case of a distinction of some tactical difference.

I can’t really speak with much definitive certainty in regards to Milo Yiannopoulos or his intentions, but from what I can parse out from his past actions and history is that he strikes me as a bigoted opportunist trying to enable the bigotries he and others have in a bid to stroke his narcissistic attention seeking while at the same time throwing fellow LGBT people under the bus to do so (in fact he is something of a militantly transphobic bigot). Heck he even wrote for Breitbart so that alone is a strong indication of, even as narcissistic as he is, his bigotries and uglier ideology are in some way and degree earnest; they aren’t just completely empty, opportunistic tools to an end. Long and short of it: he’s an empty suit looking for attention while also trying to enable the bigotry he holds personally in others who would be sympathetic to said bigotries, among other ugly stuff.

Now as far as how or why a guy like him can be both gay and yet pro-Nazi and pro-alt-right, while it is a majorly inconsistent contradiction (given that both demographics are inherently at ends with each other) does start to make sense if viewed through the auspice that this is a temporary, tenuous allegiance, or at least “cease fire” between Transphobic, Cisgerndered, Conservative White Supemsists, Neo-Nazi’s and other Alt-right, Neo-reactionary ilk and whatever gay people like Milo who hold transphobic views as a form of bigoted gate keeping for LGBT social justice advocacy.

How it typically works is that the Neo-Reactionaries have failed to repeal same sex marriage and protections for LGB people and thus see their attempts to block or roll back said gains as being either outright lost, or at least, as mentioned before: “At s cease fire”. So in order to deal with the issues Facing Transgendered People: Neo-reactionaries can and do induct the “former targets of past oppression” into their fold, or at least those former persecuted members who are sympathetic to some of their other receptive ideologies and targets, and thus induct gay Transphobes into their ranks to go after Transgender people.

The thing is though such an allegiance for both such parts is very fine, thin, sticky and dubious; and once Trans people are fully under the boot-heels of oppression and persecution of Neo-reactionaries, the Gay Transphobes will invariably be cast out in a “last hired=first fired” sort of way when the gaze of the Neo-reactionary re-focuses.

It’s kind of the same thing as how racists and ethnocentric bigots of old (and even of contemporary times if they let the mask slip) didn’t consider Italians, Irish or Slavs as being white until after the Emancipation of Black people after American Slavery was abolish and the Irish, Italians and Slavs were inducted and folded into the ‘identity’ of being considered “white people” for fear of Italian, Irish and Slavic immigrants finding commonality and kinship with freed black slaves. Though it seems the Nazi’s, Fascist White Supremacists and Eugenics adhering Identitarians and other such ilk seem to also consider those of Italian heritage (like myself), as well as Irish and Slavs as being “not white”, or “mongrels” (and I can’t tell you how much I have started hearing that in my adult life by such craven ilk, and worse).

Overall that seems to be the general observed prognosis. The Youtube channel Innuendo Studios has some very interesting essay videos but they have a video on white fascism that touches a bit on the subject that helps explain what exactly goes on in the alt-right as far as it’s ideology, rhetoric and ideals and how does the things it does and, more importantly, how to catch and identify that and how to possibly navigate and deal with it.

@Tactical Progressive

I’m reminded of how the patriarchal theocrats are happy to ally with TERFS (and vice-versa) if it means hurting trans women, and that alliance has lasted for decades.

@Naglfar

They’re also occasionally willing to let in Jews under similar ceasefires when those Jews share their other views. For example, Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer, and Jacob Wohl. My guess is eventually they will turn on these people when they cease to be useful.

The alt-right philosophy seems to have a clause that although they hate Jews and gays as a whole, they can be ok with individuals so long as those individuals share some of their views and say what they want to hear.

This true, though as sure as the sun rises and sets; the anti-Semitic Neo-reactionaries (and other co-morbid bigots therein) will invariably and without fail cast out and turn on the specific Jew’s they have inducted into their ranks once the other minority demographics that are targeted for persicution are either “put back in their place”, or otherwise “dealt with” (either via forced deportation, criminalization or outright genocide), and lump them back in as the next set of targets as the other Jew’s.

@Allandrel
With TERF’s; they, like other right wing Neo-reactionaries (or at least a fair number of more insidious sub-groups): tend to frequently get into the habit of stealing left wing sounding rhetoric to dress up their ugly right wing ideology, notions and policies. I’d argue that they are at their core right wing gender essentialists hiding in a left wing Trogen Horse and trying to conduct a psyop against left leaning centrists or anyone else who can’t see through the deceptive rhetoric.

I frankly have just as little patience for TERF’s because it’s just another form of bigotry, and in my book: bigots are just another, worse kind of bully.

Also tangentially, SWERF’s are another movement I find annoying since they are just sexual puritans wearing feminist camouflage.