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Misogynatomy II: Women have periods because cavewomen didn’t eat meat, angry weirdo claims [UPDATE: He was joking]

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UPDATE: Oops. Turns out this dude’s post was satire, posted to a Facebook group mocking mansplainers.

By David Futrelle

More misogynatomy for your misogynatomy filesI don’t quite know how the British tabloids (The Sun, The Mirror, Metro UK) got to this story before I did but STOP THE PRESSES, there’s a weird angry dude on Facebook who thinks cis women get periods because cavewomen didn’t eat meat. No, really.

I was going to try to summarize his, er, logic here but I honestly can’t, so let’s just let him explain.

First of all periods are disgusting. Why do you feel the need to tell everyone and their mother 'sorry I'm in a bad mood, it's that time of the month'.

What is wrong with you? Your entire job is to be aesthetically pleasing and add femininity. But instead you're slouched over holding your gut whining. Nothing about it is sexy but the mental picture is worse.
Shoving phallic objects up there to 'absorb' your leaking body that's trying desperately to get rid of your toxic blood.

Which is where it comes to it being your fault,"You're not a man which means your maternal ancestors didn't hunt. They were at most gatherers and ate from the land.

Instead of salads and grains and fruits I see you monsters shoving burgers and steaks and chicken in your face. Your body is trying to get rid of all that and so it's bleeding that animal graveyard you call a digestive tract, out.

I  have no sympathy for your exaggerated pain

You got that, vagina-havers? You get periods because WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH BUT APPARENTLY DIDN’T SHARE ANY WITH YOU.

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Miri
Miri
1 year ago

Well damn. If only I didn’t love eating meat, I wouldn’t have to deal with a monthly pain-in-the-abs.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

There’s so much wrong here, with this man’s understandings of biology, chemistry, gynecology, evolution, history, and women in general. I don’t even know where to start taking it down. Can someone give me a place to start and I’ll go from there?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

This is stupid even by vegan standards; and we blame meat eating for everything.

takshak
takshak
1 year ago

Why am I drawing connections between this guy and “blood and soil” right-wing veganism?

nah, couldn’t be…

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

There is a certain subset of vegans, mostly those following one of the nutritionally deficient fad diets (fully raw, only fruits, etc.*) who actually claim that if you do veganism right, you don’t have menses.

They do this to rationalise away their malnutrition induced amenorrhea.

*Honestly, there’s this one woman who proposes a salad out of two heads of kale, some fruits, and lemon juice as dressing is a well balanced meal. Seriously. She also eats raw broccoli.

Talonknife
Talonknife
1 year ago

@Knitting Cat Lady

She also eats raw broccoli.

Is eating raw broccoli bad or something? That’s the only way I like it unless it’s in pasta.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@takshak

Why am I drawing connections between this guy and “blood and soil” right-wing veganism?

That’s a thing? I thought the far right hated vegans and healthy eating, hence the insult “soy boys”.

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

There are times I wish I could share the memory of menstrual cramps with another person.

Ledasmom
Ledasmom
1 year ago

I wonder how they explain menopause. No, wait, I don’t.
In related news, I thought I was done with this but another period snuck up on me. Had to send the husband out for emergency pads. WTF uterus.

Hexum7
Hexum7
1 year ago

To sum it up : How dare these dames be grumpy or unpleasant. That’s a our job

(Sarcasm)

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
1 year ago

Naglfar, there are right wingers who believe in living off the grid and following a vegan diet. There were some who were members of a Seventh Day Adventist Church near where I used to live. I believe David Koresh’s group in Waco, Texas were like that, too.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

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varalys the dark
1 year ago

Speaking as a vegan woman, I wish meat didn’t cause periods. Having just gone through a particularly obnoxious one I can confirm that have a normal, healthy vegan diet will result in the usual visits from Aunt Flo.

Mexican Hot Chocolate
Mexican Hot Chocolate
1 year ago

This guy falls into the category “not even wrong”. An anthropologist and/or an evolutionary biologist would have to waste hours explaining human evolution before even explaining the problems with the post.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Mexican Hot Chocolate
This reminds me of something Cliff Pervocracy once said:

I’m not even explaining why this is wrong. I can’t. It’s like being asked “why wouldn’t tinfoil make a good tampon?” There’s so many different layers of wrong that I’m just going to trip over myself trying to pick which one to talk about first.
Cliff “Pervocracy” Jerrison

He said it in reference to something else, but the point still holds. Plus there’s a menstruation reference.

Amy E
Amy E
1 year ago

I don’t even know where to begin.

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Mels
Mels
1 year ago

Regarding raw broccoli – as far as I know, there’s nothing wrong with eating it unless you have a thyroid disease. It’s a goitrogen, which makes it somewhat risky for aggravating thyroid problems in people who have them. (Hi!)

That goes for all cruciferous vegetables, though. Steaming is a simple way to make them safer.

This concludes my unsolicited thyroid health Ted Talk. Carry on.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ knitting cat lady

Raw vegans are considered weird even by many vegans. Having said that, the Williams sisters are raw vegans and they seem to survive.

As for Nazi vegans, notwithstanding anti-vegan views now being a right wing shibboleth, there are a few in the straight edge community. They mainly, although admittedly not exclusively, seem to come at it from a health point of view rather than an animal rights one.

Generally though there seems to be a correlation between speciesism and other bigotries.

http://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2018/02/psychology-of-speciesism/

epronovost
epronovost
1 year ago

That’s a special someone who should have listenned and studied a bit during his high school biology class. He would have avoided sounding like a complete idiot for the world to see.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

OT:
On the MGTOW cooking thread, I promised to take photos of my mini meatloaf because I thought I could make it look good.

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I have failed. 😂

Shaenon
1 year ago

I mean, obviously if you’re a woman all your ancestors were women, and if you’re a man all your ancestors were men.

And obviously periods are composed of blood that leaks out of meat you eat. And meat is a MANLY FOOD for MEN ONLY.

Which is why, until recently, only men had periods.

I’m not even mad. This is great stuff.

Crip Dyke
Crip Dyke
1 year ago

I’ll chime in to say that although I’m an imperfect vegan (my imperfections having been detailed previously in another thread), I do agree that as a species we should drastically cut back on our intake of meat and fish. Some people are able to do this more effectively than others, for various reasons, but whatever your reasons to eliminate (or cut back) foods which require killing or mistreating animals, I really, really hope to goodness gracious it’s not because you think that McDonald’s french fries cause menstruation.

It is amazing how daft a human mind can be.

Jorge
Jorge
1 year ago

@Crip Dyke
I find that a term that’s great for communicating that you eat a plant focused diet without people getting all purity tester is “flexitarian”. I like the category because it’s a lot easier to persuade people to decenter meat than to eliminate it.

galanx
galanx
1 year ago

“You’re entire job is to be aesthetically pleasing…”
He’s forgetting the traditional job of post-menopausal old ladies (as immortalised in a million cartoons, comedy sketches etc.) of being grammar teachers who beat into you the difference between “you’re” and “your”.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

@galanx:
That was the line that jumped out at me, too, mostly because it was just such an accurate condensation of the entirety of their belief system. Women are arm ornaments and not actual people.

Well, that and the proofreader in me twitched at the use of the wrong ‘Your’.

numerobis
numerobis
1 year ago

Next blog title: WE PROOFREAD THE BULLSHIT.

(Works in both past and present tense!)

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

Re: Raw Broccoli

Cooking the stuff makes the nutrients in it more absorbable by our guts.

And easier to our teeth.

And less farty.

So, eating raw broccoli is okay, but nutritionally eating it cooked makes more sense.

And then there’s people like me: Two or three florets of cooked broccoli makes my guts explode. Raw would be horrible.

Thanks, IBS!

Re: Williams sisters
They’re athletes who have an army of doctors, personal trainers, and nutritionists at their beck and call. Also rich.

Makes it very easy for them to eat a balanced diet that is also raw vegan…

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Naglfar: Thanks for the link to Cliff Pervocracy. I’ve been going through his “Cosmocking” series of posts where he takes the piss out of Cosmopolitan magazine. Deservedly so, IMO: honestly, up till now, I never realised how awful that magazine was, with its casual transphobia, kink-shaming, slut-shaming, and generally perpetuating negative stereotypes about women (“say one thing and mean another! That’ll keep him guessing! GURL POWER AMIRITE”) It’s like it’s written by MRAs, or MRAs get all their talking points from reading old issues of it in their dentists’ waiting rooms…

Otrame
Otrame
1 year ago

@ Ledasmom

It is not unusual. I skipped about 6 months worth. Then had a couple of really bad ones, then that was it. Thank the FSM. You’re almost there.

Just remember that menopause doesn’t guarantee a lack of ovulation at first. My dad was born when his mom was 46 years old—and after she’d had no periods for more than a year.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

You’re entire job. . .

My job? When do the paychecks begin to arrive in my bank account?

. . . is to be pleasing and to add femininity. . . .

“Add femininity” to what? I need a clearer job description.

. . . But instead you’re slunched over holding your gut and whining.

Slunch is a combination of supper and lunch, right? Maybe I’m holding my gut and whining because you don’t allow employees slunch breaks. I know Trump is president but that’s still illegal.

No pay, muddled job description, no slunch breaks: three strikes! Buddy, you’re out. PS: You’re not funny.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

OT: Meanwhile, in tech, the founder of the free/ open source software movement, Richard Stallman (aka RMS) is in hot water over his comments defending Jeffrey Epstein. An apology (sic) posted by Stallman for his comments is the most prevaricatingly not of a not-pology you will ever read in your life (“boo hoo I’m so sorry if you misunderstood me! It’s not my fault you’re all too irrational!”) and some of his earlier comments are even worse; he actually plays the closest thing to a non-ironic use of the “ackchooooooly, it’s ‘ehebephilia'” card at one point. RMS has a long history of gross comments and behaviour towards women in the community, which his defenders are– of course, because they are terrible people too– excusing on the grounds of him being non-neurotypical. Fuck you, being NNT does not make you an asshole.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

More OT:

New Reporting Claims Brett Kavanaugh Did Touch Yale Classmates With His Penis—Twice

In an excerpt from their forthcoming book, The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation, Times reporters Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly wrote that Deborah Ramirez’s account of being confronted by the future Supreme Court justice’s penis—an incident that Kavanaugh’s supporters dismissed as uncorroborated during his 2018 confirmation hearings—was supported by their later reporting.

Pogrebin and Kelly wrote:

During his Senate testimony, Mr. Kavanaugh said that if the incident Ms. Ramirez described had occurred, it would have been “the talk of campus.” Our reporting suggests that it was.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-misconduct-new-york-times.html

This is my nowhere-near-surprised face.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Kat:

Slunch is a combination of supper and lunch, right? Maybe I’m holding my gut and whining because you don’t allow employees slunch breaks. I know Trump is president but that’s still illegal.

To me, “slunch” is when you’re too busy/tired/ disorganized/ spoons-deficienct have discrete meals, and they all just merge into one long undifferentiated grazing session spread out over the entire day.

Illustration:

http://cassandracalin.com/visuals/comics/2017-11-25.jpg

(Source)

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Cat Mara

Thanks for the link to Cliff Pervocracy. I’ve been going through his “Cosmocking” series of posts where he takes the piss out of Cosmopolitan magazine. Deservedly so, IMO: honestly, up till now, I never realised how awful that magazine was, with its casual transphobia, kink-shaming, slut-shaming, and generally perpetuating negative stereotypes about women (“say one thing and mean another! That’ll keep him guessing! GURL POWER AMIRITE”) It’s like it’s written by MRAs, or MRAs get all their talking points from reading old issues of it in their dentists’ waiting rooms…

Cliff does have some questionable views on certain issues (he’s a bit obsessed with guns, he occasionally says some rather antifeminist stuff), but over all he’s rather hilarious. It’s a shame he quit updating the blog (but still occasionally updates his Tumblr). Cosmocking was my favorite part.

When I was about 10 years old, I had a very fuzzy understanding of how sex worked and I was curious, but since I never had any real sex ed and my parents never told me, I thought the best way to learn would be to find one of the magazines and read it. Thankfully, I never was able to get my hands on one, and years later when reading Cosmocking I realize simply how lucky I am that I never read it. It would have been horrible advice and would have probably messed up my sex development even more than it originally was.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
1 year ago

@Knitting Cat Lady:

Two whole heads of kale? Is this meant to serve one person? For how many meals?

Sort of related: I used to work with a man who, every day for God knows how long, ate a spinach salad for lunch. Eventually, he began to suffer from kidney stones. His doctor finally linked this to the trace minerals in the spinach building up in his body over time.

I suppose, file this under the concept that anything in excess is bad.

I didn’t know that uncooked broccoli & other cruciferous vegetables could aggravate thyroid problems. Like so many middle-aged people, I’m hypothryoid.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

Whilst I do occasionally go raw for various reasons; there are risks associated. Raw doesn’t necessarily mean untampered with. Apart from the various pesticides, there are practices such as waxing apples and gassing oranges to improve the colour.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-are-the-12-dirtiest-fruits-and-veggies-in-your-fridge-2018-04-13

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Naglfar:

When I was about 10 years old, I had a very fuzzy understanding of how sex worked and I was curious, but since I never had any real sex ed and my parents never told me, I thought the best way to learn would be to find one of the magazines and read it.

You dodged a bullet there for sure.

It reminds me of when I was a kid; like you, I had some pretty strange ideas. My parents, who were quite open-minded on these things (especially for 1980s Ireland) even bought me a Ladybird book on “How The Body Works” when I was around 7 or 8, complete with luridly-coloured diagrams of the human reproductive system. However, the actual process of sex was (possibly out of coyness, or a fear that kids might actually try to do it before they were physically ready) described in such an abstract, passive way that I think for a while I thought it was an involuntary reflex– like, if you slept beside a woman, your willy would just wake up at some point and find its way inside her of its own accord 😂 (You’re all welcome for that mental image, by the way)

Later, when I was about 12, my school did have a proper sex ed class (though, of course, described as a “personal hygiene” class or something similarly euphemistic) though by that stage I’d probably seen enough discarded old porn mags in bushes to realise that, yes, sex was something you did while conscious. But I knew women in university who went to schools run by religious orders where the nuns told them crap like if they were ever to sit on a boy’s lap without, say, a telephone book between them, they might get accidentally inseminated 🤦 I hope they were exaggerating but like I said: 80s Ireland…

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Cat Mara

described in such an abstract, passive way that I think for a while I thought it was an involuntary reflex– like, if you slept beside a woman, your willy would just wake up at some point and find its way inside her of its own accord 😂 (You’re all welcome for that mental image, by the way)

When I was young I had a children’s encyclopedia and I read the pages about sex, which had pictures of reproductive organs but didn’t describe sex other than “a man gives an ejaculation of sperm to a woman in her vagina,” which I thought meant that he had to go to a hospital and get sperm drawn like blood, then inject it into her vagina. I assumed they were both awake, though. The encyclopedia was a medically accurate source, but it still took me years, until I started reading romance novels as a teenager, to understand that there was sex for reasons other than procreation.

The closest I got to a sex ed course was in 5th grade we had a health class once a week that mostly talked about not smoking but occasionally the teacher would show us diagrams of uteruses and testicles without ever describing how they worked. The shockingly high teen pregnancy rate where I grew up was probably very indicative of the quality of sex ed.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

When I was about 10 years old, I had a very fuzzy understanding of how sex worked and I was curious, but since I never had any real sex ed and my parents never told me, I thought the best way to learn would be to find one of the magazines and read it. Thankfully, I never was able to get my hands on one, and years later when reading Cosmocking I realize simply how lucky I am that I never read it. It would have been horrible advice and would have probably messed up my sex development even more than it originally was.

The worst Cosmo ‘sex tip’ I ever saw was: put a doughnut on his dick, then eat it off.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

@Dormousing_it:

That salad is for one person for one meal.

You see, if you only eat raw fruit and veg, and don’t it nuts, grains, or pulses, you are left with low energy density foodstuffs.

So, to get all the energy you need, you need to eat very large volumes of food.

As in ’12 bananas for lunch’ volumes.

This kind of eating leaves you macro (protein & fat) and micro (B12, selenium, everything else) nutrient deficient.

If you want a good take on those ‘diets’ from a vegan perspective, look up Unnatural Vegan on YT.

She used to be raw vegan and has ripped the dangerous advice she used to give into very tiny shreds.

As well as the dangerous advice of other vegans.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
1 year ago

Re: Broccoli

I would love to be able to eat raw broccoli. There’s something about it that makes my mouth and throat itch really bad, but whatever it is must end up being cooked out because I can eat it cooked just fine. The same with cauliflower and asparagus.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
1 year ago

@Knitting cat lady:

That’s kind of what I thought. I think I’d wind up with jaw problems, from chewing all those veggies. Only partly kidding…

I once went on a vegetarian smoothie diet. It wore out my blender. I didn’t have the sort of high-powered blender required to pulverize greens like kale, etc. I will say this – I had more energy, and felt more alert.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

You’re entire job is to be aesthetically pleasing

This bit, among some others, smells very trollish. Like, knowing exactly what feminists hate about you.

(women) were at most gatherers

“At most”?

In the usual misogynist context, this would presumably allude to the idea that stone age women didn’t fully feed themselves, and were often subsidized by men. But what could the men provide, if not meat? Clearly, when the women weren’t gathering enough berries, they must have subsisted on sunlight and dewdrops.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Cliff does have some questionable views on certain issues (he’s a bit obsessed with guns, he occasionally says some rather antifeminist stuff), but over all he’s rather hilarious. It’s a shame he quit updating the blog (but still occasionally updates his Tumblr). Cosmocking was my favorite part.

Nice to see that Cliff’s tumblr is back up. The ways of algorithmic moderation are mysterious.

IIRC, when he quit Cosmocking several years ago, it was partly because Cosmopolitan was actually starting to catch up with feminism.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Lumipuna

IIRC, when he quit Cosmocking several years ago, it was partly because Cosmopolitan was actually starting to catch up with feminism.

I thought it was simply because he stopped regularly updating The Pervocracy blog. The last Cosmocking (coincidentally the one I quoted from) didn’t say anything about that, and he stopped updating the blog altogether not long after. Plus, if you take a look at the website, Cosmo is still a long way from being feminist.
The Cosmarxpolitan parody series (slightly NSFW) is much funnier.

Idk if Cliff still has any connections to WHTM, but at one point he hosted a meetup (back when WHTM was still called Manboobz).

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I loathe broccoli. To a weird extent. The smell and taste make my blood just curdle. Even the sight makes me a little uncomfortable.

I once went on a vegetarian smoothie diet. It wore out my blender. I didn’t have the sort of high-powered blender required to pulverize greens like kale, etc. I will say this – I had more energy, and felt more alert.

Not getting sufficient calories can cause a euphoric effect. At least for a time. One of the reasons starvation diets can be so addictive is that you chase that original high you get and never catch it. It’s like a drug. People mistake that initial boost of energy as a sign of increased health, but it’s a trap.

One of the many reasons I despise the “wellness” industry. They literally tell people that eating disorders are healthy.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@WWTH

I loathe broccoli. To a weird extent. The smell and taste make my blood just curdle. Even the sight makes me a little uncomfortable.

I feel that way about cauliflower. My grandmother used to always roast it and it nauseated me to see and smell it.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

@weirwoodtreehugger:

This. I’m of the opinion that anyone going on a very restrictive diet without medical need is flirting with an ED.

Take my gran’s sister. She eats exactly 5 food stuffs. Don’t ask me which.

She also does not eat any salt at all.

Combine that with ‘detox teas’, which are mostly a diuretic and laxative combined.

End result: She almost killed herself with hyponatraemia.

Also, people who say they are allergic when in fact they just don’t like something? May every step they take fall one a D4.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

(TMI warning)

Around 2005, I flipped through several issues of Cosmopolitan (US edition, not the local one), for the purpose of low-grade sexual titillation, and in a poorly planned attempt at seeing things from women’s perspective. Back then I was already rather well-educated on sex, but not much of a critical feminist reader.

Out of probably several “sex tips” that might have been applicable, I randomly tried one in my own masturbation. It worked like a charm, and I still use it often. It’s about grabbing and lightly pulling the scrotum during ejaculation, to make the orgasm feel more intense.

HOWEVER, I don’t think this is something you could or should try to pull off (sorry) on another person without detailed communication. The whole sexual communication thing is where Cosmopolitan most famously fails.

RawMenstruator
RawMenstruator
1 year ago

So men hunted the mammoth but didnt share any of it, including with their children, at least the female ones…

So unlike any species Ive ever heard of, there is some sort of- undiscovered by science or history- distinction in which women (read: afabs) are all secretly herbavoires but for all of recorded history and prehistory have eaten meat, so they developed a disorder blood forms a spongey protective barrier in the uterus is actually not supposed to be there, that egg is supposed to just go swinging and rattling around to make tougher men-children I guess.

I guess anyone who doesnt or stops menstruating is secretly eating impossible burgers and any vegan meat eaters are frauds.

This obviously also had to also apply to all menstruating mammals I guess? Like Bats? and apes and even dogs?

Also am I on a different planet yall bc “raw” broccoli is a normal staple in veggie trays for parties/snacking at home, you dip it in ranch.