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Nazi Comment of the Day from KotakuInAction: “Nobody ever asks the guy who yells ‘n***ers’ WHY he hates black people”

Hey kid, let me tell you about the Jews who, er, foreclosed on my parents

By David Futrelle

So I was poking around in the KotakuInAction ubreddit — Reddit’s self-proclaimed “hub for GamerGate” — to see how the regulars were dealing with the news that idiot YouTube megastar PewDiePie was going to donate, and then was not going to donate, a big chunk of money to the Anti-Defamation League.

And within about thirty seconds I stumbled across this huge pile of Nazi shit that a one-day-old Redditor had decided to deposit in the comments.

Ergenice9 1 point an hour ago 
Nobody ever asks the guy who yells "niggers" WHY he hates black people. They don't want to hear the story about how he grew up poor and white in a minority neighborhood and experienced directly 13% of the population committing 80% of the crime while he gets scapegoated for it and denied support because of the color of his skin.

Nobody asks why he shouts "kike" because they don't want to hear his story about who foreclosed on his parents home when he was a kid or busted the unions at the factory his father worked at while importing illegals to replace him in the workforce and practicing the same nepotism that he gets scapegoated for but has never had the power or wealth to practice himself.

Nobody wants to ask why he shouts "Spic" because they don't want to hear who was importing the meth, coke, heroin, and now fentanyl that are killing off people that share his demographics in epidemic proportions.

Nobody wants to ask him why he shouts "faggot" because they don't want to admit that that is the descriptor you'd apply to the priest that molested him or the LGBT youth consellor at his HS that gets away with grooming and molesting students. They don't want to admit the parallels between the infiltration and cooption of schools and the church by slavering predators.

They don't want to ask why he shouts "bitch" because they don't want to address the woman who lied to cops about DV so she could walk with the kid, half his shit, and kick him out of the house or the incompetents that keep getting advanced over him at work because "muh wagegap" while he shovels shit every day and they sit at a desk.

You really want to "deradicalize" these people or motivate them against racism? Try listening to them and recognizing that they may not be lying or fabricating but often have trouble articulating themselves. Because if their fucking skin color was different, you would.

This is classic Nazi recruitment propaganda. It reinforces a host of already-existing prejudices against an assortment of groups — from blacks to Jews to gay men to women. It tries to make these prejudices seem like rational responses to things members of these groups allegedly do, to change the terms of the debate from, for example, “bigotry against black people” to “black crime.” It offers sympathy towards those with prejudices, portraying them as the real victims.

The purpose of these rhetorical moves? To nudge those who may carry deep within them some or all of these same prejudices — and who may have faced blowback for expressing some of them in the past — towards more explicit and open racism, antisemitism, homophobia and misogyny. In short, it’s an attempt to convert casual bigots into outright Nazis.

I’m not posting this comment here today because it’s typical of KotakuInAction — though there’s certainly an antisemitic undercurrent (and sometimes a not-so-under current) in the discussions of PewDiePie and the ADL. I’m posting it because it’s so clearly an attempt at recruitment — whether it’s the work of one freelance wannabe Nazi-maker, or part of an broader organized effort.

Why might a wannabe Nazi-maker think that the regulars in KotakuInAction would be receptive to such a message?

You will find my answer to that question here.

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Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

Why might a wannabe Nazi-maker think that the regulars in KotakuInAction would be receptive to such a message?

Why indeed? What could possibly have made this fellow conclude that his seeds of hate would find fertile ground in the soil of a forum devoted only to gentle debate on the vexed issue of ethics in game journalism? It’s truly inconceivable ho–


(Sarcasm meter explodes)

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

The PewDiePie thing is a great demonstration of mob mentality. Too many people repeat the “Subscribe to PewDiePie” meme and continue to defend him only because there is a large group of people doing just that.
With the ADL thing, PewDiePie has officially made it clear that he is Nazi scum, and so is a significant portion of his fanbase. I advise anyone else to boycott him, and any advertisers to refuse to advertise with or sponsor him.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

A quick google search reveals that, to the surprise of no one, in addition to his racism and antisemitism PewDiePie is also very misogynistic, homophobic, and ableist; and seems to really like rape apologia. He would be right at home on r/MensRights or r/KotakuInAction.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
1 year ago

@Naglfar

With the ADL thing, PewDiePie has officially made it clear that he is Nazi scum, and so is a significant portion of his fanbase.

I think that became quite clear way before, when we found out he was subscribed to just about every single Nazi youtube channel out there, from Stefan Molyneux to Laura Southern. Somebody published the receipts and it was quite damning.

And I must reiterate, it wasn’t just one, it was every single major one out there.

Betrayer
Betrayer
1 year ago

Shocking, the guy who joked about “death to all Jews” decides not to donate to a charity after finding out it’s a Jewish anti-hate group.

PewDiePie works tirelessly to normalize hate speech and bigotry, targeting children.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Diego

Somebody published the receipts and it was quite damning.

Any chance you’ve got a link to the receipts? I’d be interested to see any other dirt on him.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

People ask what motivates hate all the damn time. It’s just that the people who actually study these things come up with different answers than “The targeted group had it coming.”

Notice the Nazi and MRA blending again with that men do hard labor while women eat bonbons at a desk all day nonsense. I always laugh at that talking point. What makes these dudes think men can’t get jobs in offices? I work in an office and we’ve got a pretty much even gender split. From what I can tell, the giant multi-company office park I’m in has a pretty even split. Lots of men sit at a desk!

Makroth
Makroth
1 year ago

About that 13 percent thing:

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

Somebody on another blog was pointing out that declaring ‘those pointing out racism are the real racists’ actually makes perfect sense if the person in question believes the racist stereotypes are literally, completely true, and that everybody else really knows this even if they won’t admit it. Therefore systemic racism doesn’t really exist, they can’t be racist unless they’re actually screaming epithets or beating on someone because they actually do have X friends, and anybody who tries to say otherwise is the one actually trying to do things differently based on race.

It starts from entirely incorrect principles, but there is a certain consistency to it.

Nancy
Nancy
1 year ago

Why are all the derogatory terms x’d out except the one that refers to women?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

Why are we expected to understand and sympathize with Nazis? Plenty of people have been foreclosed on and sexually assaulted and raised in rough neighborhoods without turning into violent, bigoted creeps.

I care more about the people who are hurt by the slurs than the supervillain origin story of the person yelling them.

Jackson Ayres
Jackson Ayres
1 year ago

Certain people always insist on empathizing with bigots and hatemongers of all types. It always implies that the bigots might, just maybe, have some legitimate and substantive reason for their hate. Hate never needs a (legitimate) reason, and these people either don’t understand that, or are purposely providing a thinly veiled defense to those bigots.

Yet, I never seem to see these people encouraging empathy for the groups that are targeted by bigots, only for the bigots themselves. These people are, at best, useful idiots for the bigots who serve to help normalize it. At worst, they’re fellow travelers who sympathized with the bigots and are purposely trying to normalize it. In either case, they only make things worse.

This is trotted out all the time defend a wide variety of groups, from Trump’s base to homophobes to misogyny. Supposed moderates on the issues especially seem to love this “hate the sin but not the sinner” trope.

This isn’t to say that there’s nothing to gain by understanding other people’s bigotry and its origins, but the people that use this argument aren’t really trying to do that. What they should do is analyze their bigotry and discuss the prejudices it’s based on and how it spreads, not imply that there’s a legitimate reason for how they feel. I’ve seen a fair number of people do this former, but they’re not the same ones that make that argument.

Jackson Ayres
Jackson Ayres
1 year ago

Certain people always insist on empathizing with bigots and hatemongers of all types. It always implies that the bigots might, just maybe, have some legitimate and substantive reason for their hate. Hate never needs a (legitimate) reason, and these people either don’t understand that, or are purposely providing a thinly veiled defense to those bigots.

Yet, I never seem to see these people encouraging empathy for the groups that are targeted by bigots, only for the bigots themselves. These people are, at best, useful idiots for the bigots who serve to help normalize it. At worst, they’re fellow travelers who sympathized with the bigots and are purposely trying to normalize it. In either case, they only make things worse.

This is trotted out all the time defend a wide variety of groups, from Trump’s base to homophobes to misogyny. Supposed moderates on the issues especially seem to love this “hate the sin but not the sinner” trope.

This isn’t to say that there’s nothing to gain by understanding other people’s bigotry and its origins, but the people that use this argument aren’t really trying to do that. What they should do is analyze their bigotry and discuss the prejudices it’s based on and how it spreads, not imply that there’s a legitimate reason for how they feel. I’ve seen a fair number of people do this former, but they’re not the same ones that make that argument.

This might show up twice. I forgot which email I use for this site.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

@WWTH:

Notice the Nazi and MRA blending again with that men do hard labor while women eat bonbons at a desk all day nonsense. I always laugh at that talking point. What makes these dudes think men can’t get jobs in offices? I work in an office and we’ve got a pretty much even gender split. From what I can tell, the giant multi-company office park I’m in has a pretty even split. Lots of men sit at a desk!

Not to mention, who typically does the “second shift”, which contains a fair amount of low-skilled manual labor?

These guys seem to live in an opposites sketch.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

[T[hey don’t want to hear his story about who foreclosed on his parents home when he was a kid or busted the unions at the factory his father worked at while importing illegals to replace him in the workforce and practicing the same nepotism that he gets scapegoated for.

So average, everyday, working-class white guys are being scapegoated for nepotism? I’m confused.

But I do know that if a white guy shouts hate speech, he will definitely get back his house and his union job. That’s how the world works.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

YouTube megastar PewDiePie was going to donate, and then was not going to donate, a big chunk of money to the Anti-Defamation League.

Mr. PewDiePie — if that is your real name — you can’t rely on good looks and charm to make money if you’re also going to flirt with Nazism.

You may be a PewDiePie — although I’m skeptical of that — but you’re no cutiepie. That’s because Nazism is ugly and repellent, right down to the bone.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

“I never knew the names of the guys running the bank that foreclosed our family home, but my dad told me all about them being Jewish”

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

100% chance these guys are out there voting for the right-wing white fascists who gut banking regulations, unions, and manufacturing jobs. 100% chance they rush to defend authority figures who cover up for abusers.

The only time they remember that they’re also on the receiving end of this mistreatment is when it’s useful for silencing libs. They post this sort of rant of Reddit, then immediately flock to Twitter to make fun of #MeToo without a trace of self-awareness.

People shout slurs not because they’ve been wronged, but because someone else made them feel inadequate. A slur reminds the other person of their place: “I can reduce you to a body part or ethnicity, and there is no equivalent word you can use on me”. It’s the verbal equivalent of a gun, an “equalizer” that restores the power imbalance in the bigot’s favor.

Slurs are tools to enforce the status quo. They’re not therapeutic.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

I am a developper in an application that analyze social networks reactions.

While testing the reddit crawler, I actually found r/selfawarewolf and r/kotakuinaction2 (electric boogaloo ? did the first one got banned ?)

Reddit : formerly the frontpage of the internet, now the sewage of the internet. Title shared with 4chan, 8chan, etc …

Katamount
1 year ago

PewDiePie can’t help himself, can he? I’m hardly the ADL’s biggest fan given their deference to the Israeli government, but for optics alone, just let the donation go through, man. Or maybe take a few minutes to investigate the organizations you donate to before committing yourself? Sheesh, this is what happens when you live at the speed of social media… and you’re a trash human being.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Ohlmann
I was unaware that there was a KIA2. Sadly, the first one still exists. It’s possible the second one was created during the time when the original was down (the creator took it down, then Reddit resurrected it within hours), or it could exist as a mirror. A quick glance shows that it seems to have a lot of the same posts (word for word) and content as the original.

Reddit is actively a hate site. I used to frequent certain subreddits like r/Metal (aka Shreddit, devoted to metal music), but now I try to avoid the site altogether. I just don’t want to give them clicks and ad revenue with all the toxic stuff on other subreddits.

@Katamount
His refusal to donate to the ADL has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with that it’s an organization meant to combat antisemitism and his Nazi fans talked him out of the donation. If he hadn’t suggested donating in the first place then pulled out, I would still dislike him (because he’s a Nazi) but this looks even worse.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Katamount – It’s almost like he orchestrated this bumble in order to do something just vaguely nazi-ish and get attention for it.

Ariblester
1 year ago

Naglfar wrote on
September 12, 2019 at 6:13 pm:

Diego Duarte wrote on
September 12, 2019 at 5:06 pm:

[…]

Somebody published the receipts and it was quite damning.

Any chance you’ve got a link to the receipts? I’d be interested to see any other dirt on him.

Here’s an article from Vox from December 2018 which mentions it:

While PewDiePie only follows a few hundred people on Twitter, many of them have ties to the aforementioned internet movements, communities, and subcultures that loosely define the alt-right, which include Gamergate, Mens’ Rights activism, Pick-Up Artist communities, incels, Reddit’s r/The_Donald community, some atheists and skeptics subcultures, and other online communities that foster white supremacy and radical right-wing extremism.

These include Peterson, the prominent Gamergate writer Ian Miles Cheong, Infowars editor Paul Joseph Watson, YouTube philosopher Stefan Molyneux, the Canadian blogger Lauren Southern, YouTube sex education vlogger Laci Green (who made headlines last year after posting a controversial video in which she stated that she “took the red pill a long time ago,” in reference to a new wish to begin publicly debating members of the alt-right), and leading figures of YouTube’s reactionary right-wing community, like Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro. PewDiePie also followed notorious alt-right YouTuber Sargon of Akkad until the latter’s suspension from Twitter last year. (PewDiePie has not responded to a request from Vox for comment.)

Lakitha Tolbert
Lakitha Tolbert
1 year ago

Its hilarious, (but not) to me, how guys like that are always, ALWAYS, whining about the things they can’t say, which he just said.

As a Black woman, I really wish they couldn’t say any of that stuff, because if I had a dime for every time I came across some p.o.s. on the internet spouting those epithets at people like me, I’d be a wealthy woman!

Nah! What they’re mad about is their inability to say such things without consequences, and getting some amount of pushback and sass, not just from the people they’re talking about, but other White people, they believe are supposed to be their allies.

As bad as shit is on the internet, I don’t denigrate it too much, because it gives marginalized people the opportunity to talk back to, and directly address those would love to bully and oppress them with impunity. There are a helluva lot of White men out there having some kind of breakdown, because they are simply not used to all those “inferior creatures” talking back to them.

Being a bully is just no fun anymore, I guess!

Katamount
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Yup, nailed it. The accumulation of evidence is overwhelming on that score.

@Lumipuna

He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who thinks that far ahead. But then I can’t fathom his motives.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Sorry I’m late with the receipts, but I had some work to finish. Anyway, an absolute genius had the idea to take a screencap of PewDiePie’s youtube subscriptions:

https://twitter.com/gokunaruto3000/status/1107231751615606784/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1107231751615606784&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailydot.com%2Firl%2Fpewdiepie-new-zealand-alt-right-nazi%2F

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Diego
Holy crap. It doesn’t surprise me that he’s following all kinds of awful people, but it does surprise me a little just how many he is following. That screencap is a who’s who of the alt-right.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

YouTube philosopher Stefan Molyneux

I object. Calling him a “philosopher” is like calling someone’s unfixed female cat who spends all night, every night yowling at the neighborhood, a “singer/songwriter”.

LaMaria
LaMaria
1 year ago

One of my uncles has refused to talk German to German people for 70+ years because of events that led to the death of his brother. I understand that. But it doesn’t mean he should be allowed to harm German folks in general, and it doesn’t mean he gets to try and indoctrinate other people to hate all Germans. And since he’s a decent person who’s kind of aware he just doesn’t know how to deal with his own grief in a healthy way, he doesn’t try.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
1 year ago

Actually, not too many people interact with spewers of hatred. We usually prefer to avoid them. So, the NAZI dude’s sort of right. The fact he imagines he’d be able to explain his hatred of women, minorities, LBGTQ people and whoever else to a rational third party is one of the reasons he whines and asks his odd question.