By David Futrelle
There are few things MAGA Redditors love more than demonizing a woman. In The_Donald — Reddit’s main hangout for Trump fanboys, now quarantined for threats and doxxing — the regulars are as obsessed with Hillary as the man in the White House. And they relish mocking and smearing other female politicians they hate — which is most of them — from AOC to Nancy Pelosi.
The MAGAs also enjoy going after female celebrities — or at least that portion of them who’ve said negative things about their orange idol. It probably won’t surprise you that they despise Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer, But you might be a little surprised — I was — by the vehemence of their hatred for … Miley Cyrus.
They hate Miley for an assortment of reasons. She’s an overtly sexual — and openly bisexual — young woman who hates Trump and supports abortion rights. She dresses provocatively, sometimes wearing a strap-on dildo when she performs. She said she would move to another country if Trump was elected, but didn’t.
Not long ago she posed for a photo licking a cake emblazoned with the motto “Abortion is Healthcare.” MAGA Redditors hated the cake thing so much they posted and reposted the original photo and assorted photoshopped variants some two dozen times.
But some of the MAGA, er, “critiques” of Miley are a little stranger. Here are 12 of the weirdest MAGA takes on Miley. (And yes, it appears that most if possibly not all of these were meant seriously.)
She’s probably stinky
She’s probably stinky (in a weirdly ethnic way)
She’s had, like, hundreds of abortions, maybe
She doesn’t even need abortions because she’s ruined her uterus with too much sex, or something
Her ass is too mannish
Her boobs, which do not look particularly fake, are “plastic”
She’s too old
She might be a zombie
She drinks the blood of aborted fetuses, making her more a vampire than a zombie
She’s not even the real Miley:
She — assuming she is the real Miley Cyrus — is a “product of Disney” and also possibly a lizard person
There is one Miley-related issue on which MAGAhead Redditors disagree strongly: her pledge to not have children until global warming is fixed. While MAGAs hate even the mention of global warming, many say they’re glad that Miley won’t be “breeding.” But not all MAGAs agree:
![myanimal3z 33 points 1 month ago
The left are committing self Extinction. A true gift to the world.
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[–]Alt_Chimp 1 point 1 month ago
You're celebrating white genocide.
White people are already being outproduced proportionate to others, with white liberals having babies.](https://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/yiouphijo.png?fit=600%2C418)
TFW your hunger for increased white baby production outweighs your hatred of Miley Cyrus.
That’s the sort of moral and ethical dilemma you might expect to find only on Stormfront or The Daily Stormer. But, nope, it’s on Reddit, in a subreddit with 775,000 subscribers. Because that’s how fucked we are.
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I wish I had the motivation and the self-discipline to become vegan. I do think I’m going to limit the amount of meat I eat. I can handle that. If enough people ate meat only once or twice a week…
I had a college friend, oh, more than 30 years ago, who was a vegetarian. (I’m not really up on the differences between vegetarianism and veganism.) To her, vegetarianism meant loads of starches and sugar.
@ dormousing_it
That’s a great start. Even the most hardcore veganism is only about harm reduction. We can never achieve perfection; our very existence has an impact. But every little bit helps as they say; and incrementalism is better than never trying because you can’t instantly be 100%
I wish you success on your journey!
One of the most heartbreaking stories from the Great Famine was that the Choctaw Nation, who had only a few years previously endured the Trail of Tears, raised what little money they could to help the Irish. Two years ago, a monument was erected in Cork to commemorate this:
https://www.thejournal.ie/choctaw-memorial-kindred-spirits-midleton-cork-3445847-Jun2017/
When I think of how many people with Irish names– Conway, Bannon, McConnell, etc., etc.– are involved in the current vandalism of the American political landscape, who spread pernicious memes like “Irish indentured labourers had it just as bad as African slaves but you don’t hear us complaining and looking for reparations, do you?“, and of the Irish politicians willing to court these scumbags around St. Patrick’s Day, it makes me sick. If it were up to me, I’d be all, “actually, we’re spending Paddy’s Day with the Choctaw this year, youse can all fucking die roaring as far as we’re concerned.”
As for the Great Famine in Ireland, Rick Green’s TV show History Bites did an episode on that, which included an ‘interview’ with an English nobleman about the fact that all the grain was being exported out of Ireland, and the interviewer trying to get the noble to realize that this was why the Irish were starving while the noble was happily oblivious.
(If you’re not familiar with it, the shtick of History Bites is ‘what if modern TV was around at various points in history’ and then channel-flips through advertisements and shows as they would have been from that era. All with a rather humorous bent. Rick Green is also one of the comedy troupe The Frantics, part of The Red Green Show, and used to run an SF fandom show called Prisoners of Gravity.)
Granted, my Irish ancestors emigrated to Canada and started up a grist mill over in the Peterborough area around that time.
@Alan:
For bacteria, I believe it is generally accepted that the bacteria in your gut outnumber the cells in your body. Significantly. They don’t come anywhere near outmassing you, of course. But spread across the earth? I have no problem believing that bacteria outnumber multicellular life by enough orders of magnitude to actually outmass us as well.
Me, I’m in the ‘reduced meat’ category mostly. I happen to like salads. Mostly I just like variety.
@Cat Mara
I visited Cork in 2018, but didn’t see that monument, as I was unaware of the story and monument. Ireland is a beautiful country, and if I ever return I will make sure to check out the monument.
Here we are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_History_Bites_episodes#Season_Three
Episode 3/20, When Irish Eyes Are Starvin’.
Hmm, there seems to be a copy online? Is anybody familiar with ‘sidereel’?
I am under the impression that a lot of the “invasion*” that the US is presently suffering by Central Americans is caused by the fact that the land is being used to produce exports of fruits and vegetables to the US rather than feed the people who live there.
*It is particularly ironic to claim that European people whose ancestors have lived in North America for no more than 400 years are being invaded by people whose ancestors lived here for many thousands of years before the Europeans invaded, conquered them, and in effect more or less enslaved them.
Thanks for the bit about charcoal.
@varalys : I find the idea that going vegan is going to do anything good about the planet rather discutable. Protection of the environment is a big, big topic, and veganism might or might not help on a very tiny bit of the human footprint. It’s a case of “don’t take a tree for the forest”, and remember that local producers and/or sustainable agricultures are *also* important axis to remember.
@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina : more “meaningless” than ironic. Ancestral ground is a concept that make 0 sense for mankind, who is a particulary homogenous species. And south american are the produce of a melting pot of several country just like the USA ; it’s just that since they are less white, people forget that.
While I see the appeal of casting thoses xenophobes as hypocrite (which, frankly, they are), it’s also important to not justify their belief in races by doing so.
@ Ohlmann
Going vegan is the single most effective step in trying to mitigate the impending climate catastrophe. That’s not a bunch of hippies saying that; it’s the UN and world governments (albeit in secret session).
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/03/ipcc-land-use-food-production-key-to-climate-crisis-leaked-report
@Alan Robertshaw : the short answer is that if anyone say that there is a “single most effective step”, they are trying to sell you something. That’s wishful thinking at best.
For your example, it don’t say that it’s the most effective step, but one among several, including reducing food wastage and going local.
As for the ecological comparison, the situation is actually quite muddy. The comparisons for reasonable diet are actually all over the place, especially depending on the factors being considered best for the environement. Plus, cost of distributions are somewhat hard to evaluate and can vary a lot from place to place.
So, no, going vegan isn’t the most effective step in trying to mitigate the climate catastrophe. And, in particular, nobody should think they are in the green by going vegan.
@ Ohlmann
Hopefully this link will work:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0757-z.epdf
Localism is of course one thing we should encourage; but in terms of environmental impact; 1000 Kcal of soy shipped half way round the world causes less damage than 1000 Kcal of beef from two miles down the road.
I do think it’s not necessarily the best idea to lump all forms of animal byproduct consumption into one activity. Indigenous hunting, for example, does far less damage overall than more common forms of animal byproduct consumption in “first world” countries. Cutting off beef alone would do a lot. And so on.
I think in a lot of progressive spaces there’s a danger of getting too emotionally invested in your particular utopian ideal and failing to account for lived experiences that may not fit into that ideal.
It’s sadly not just MAGA society in general even leftists can’t handle outspoken, confident, overly sexual women. Contempt for women and minorities from the left can be as strong as the right at times.
Johnny depp, Elizabeth warren and now Billy Ray Cyrus claiming theyre native. Well at least warren said sorry Depp just helped a company make a new perfume called sauvage means savage in French. He just can’t stop can he?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1048401
On animal rights:
There’s nothing wrong with going vegan but problematic movements like peta and individuals have been doing more harm than good with the whole savior complex/racism towards natives and spouting other bigotries.
@Fruitloopsie:
I’ve seen a lot of people starting to use alternative descriptions like, “adopting a plant-based diet” instead of saying they’re vegan, IMO precisely because of the extent to which self-righteous scolds like PETA have debased the term.
I have a friend from university who grew up in Zambia and recently went back for a few months as a charity volunteer. He rapidly became disillusioned at the prevalence of an attitude he calls, “fuck you, were helping!” he saw on the ground there, this toxic mixture of white exceptionalism and intent-is-magic thinking that lead to thousands of Euros being wasted on ill-thought-out projects that any local could have told them was a non-starter. “Fuck you, we’re helping!” is everywhere; e.g.:
You: Hey, PETA, why are the euthanasia rates so high in your animal shelters?
PETA: Fuck you, we’re helping!
You: Hey Greenpeace, why did you desecrate a sacred site with your dumb slogans?
Greenpeace: Fuck you, we’re helping!
“Fuck you, we’re helping!” will probably be the epitaph on our species’ tombstone ☹️
PETA appears to think that humans should have no interaction with other animals whatsoever, which is not a reality-based position.
@ cat mara & unit_000
Even within the animal rights community, PETA can raise a few eyebrows. Having said that they do provide a useful function.
They are excellent at using the media. They also make animal rights and veganism aspirational. Their, not especially well hidden, message is that animal rights/veganism is for the cool kids. And that’s just as valid a way of attracting people to the cause as highlighting ethics; environmental considerations, health etc.
We only have one aim, and that is to win. Any route to that is fine.
Animal Rebellion is deliberately designed to be a broad church, avoiding the circular firing squad Popular Front of Judea tendencies that can be a hindrance to progressive causes. AR doesn’t even use the term progressive; if a Daily Mail reader is thinking of going vegan then we’re not going to scare them off. The idea is to be just edgy enough for the kids; just safe enough to get on Newsnight.
As someone much cleverer than me said, that 3.5% theory might be a meaningless heuristic; but we’re very willing to give it a go.
https://medium.com/animal-rebellion/how-we-sent-mixed-messages-in-excluding-other-calls-for-veganism-ae0bdcc617c3
Yup, it’s so important to take control of the narrative. Been seeing too many news outlets regurgitating propaganda from the meat, dairy and egg industry. We are the real voice and unlike them we have the studies and science on our side.
@ varalys
But the Meat Advisory Panel are experts; they wouldn’t lie on the news
http://meatandhealth.redmeatinfo.com/meat-the-experts/meat-advisory-panel-(map).aspx
And like they say, they’re totally independent…oh.
Sure, if you want your message to be fatphobic, anti-anyone-but-vegans, and extremely shallow and mean-spirited, they do an excellent job of that. Also, great publicity to reach animal lovers by…*checks notes*…kidnapping and euthanizing happy, healthy pets off their owner’s property.
@kupo, Alan Robertshaw
Not to mention that PETA has a sexism problem. And the endorsement of Joe Arpaio.
@ kupo
Well, that was two incidents in over two decades. Still unacceptable of course; but hardly routine.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/
Of more concern is their general euthanasia policy. I think this is why laws prohibiting the sale of animals from anywhere other than rescue shelters are so important.
@Alan
I would say getting caught doing the same illegal and immoral thing twice shows a pattern of behavior. But again, you pointed to them as *good* publicity for vegans and doing something as horrific as that even once is not good publicity.
@Alan
Please don’t defend PETA.
They’re… murder-happy when it comes to domestic animals.
@Alan:
I strongly disagree with that; PETA are only “good” at getting themselves in the media in the most superficial, Wildean only-thing-worse-than-being-talked-about-is-not-being-talked-about fashion. The level of discourse they promote is about that of the right-wing chuckleheads holding barbecues in company car parks in response to Meatless Mondays. IMO, PETA provides an off-the-peg fake activism, a phony crusade for emotionally-stunted narcissists to show off in public to… virtue-signal, basically, in the original meaning of that phrase. They can get in the sea as far as I’m concerned.
@ kupo
No, I said they were good at publicity; which is not quite the same thing.
@ makroth
Yeah; I’ve mentioned their over enthusiasm in the original post. It is true that PETA take in a lot of animals that are difficult to re-house; but personally I think their should only be ‘no kill’ shelters (expect where there’s genuine euthanasia reasons). There’s always someone who’d take an animal.
@ cat mara
Indeed; but they’re still recruits. We’re not going to gatekeep why people come on board; so long as they do. As mentioned, ‘fashion’ is just as good a marketing tool for veganism/animal rights as ethics, environment, or health.
It’s like how Beyonce’s fur coat wearing faux veganism is just as authentic as her feminism; but you can simultaneously condemn her yet capitalise on her. It’s a bit doublethink; but the only criterion is efficacy. So you adopt whatever stance is most effective at a particular moment.
https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/beyonce-super-bowl-outfit-attacked-by-peta
https://www.peta.org/living/food/beyonce-encourages-112-million-instagram-followers-go-vegan/