By David Futrelle
There are few things MAGA Redditors love more than demonizing a woman. In The_Donald — Reddit’s main hangout for Trump fanboys, now quarantined for threats and doxxing — the regulars are as obsessed with Hillary as the man in the White House. And they relish mocking and smearing other female politicians they hate — which is most of them — from AOC to Nancy Pelosi.
The MAGAs also enjoy going after female celebrities — or at least that portion of them who’ve said negative things about their orange idol. It probably won’t surprise you that they despise Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer, But you might be a little surprised — I was — by the vehemence of their hatred for … Miley Cyrus.
They hate Miley for an assortment of reasons. She’s an overtly sexual — and openly bisexual — young woman who hates Trump and supports abortion rights. She dresses provocatively, sometimes wearing a strap-on dildo when she performs. She said she would move to another country if Trump was elected, but didn’t.
Not long ago she posed for a photo licking a cake emblazoned with the motto “Abortion is Healthcare.” MAGA Redditors hated the cake thing so much they posted and reposted the original photo and assorted photoshopped variants some two dozen times.
But some of the MAGA, er, “critiques” of Miley are a little stranger. Here are 12 of the weirdest MAGA takes on Miley. (And yes, it appears that most if possibly not all of these were meant seriously.)
She’s probably stinky
She’s probably stinky (in a weirdly ethnic way)
She’s had, like, hundreds of abortions, maybe
She doesn’t even need abortions because she’s ruined her uterus with too much sex, or something
Her ass is too mannish
Her boobs, which do not look particularly fake, are “plastic”
She’s too old
She might be a zombie
She drinks the blood of aborted fetuses, making her more a vampire than a zombie
She’s not even the real Miley:
She — assuming she is the real Miley Cyrus — is a “product of Disney” and also possibly a lizard person
There is one Miley-related issue on which MAGAhead Redditors disagree strongly: her pledge to not have children until global warming is fixed. While MAGAs hate even the mention of global warming, many say they’re glad that Miley won’t be “breeding.” But not all MAGAs agree:
![myanimal3z 33 points 1 month ago
The left are committing self Extinction. A true gift to the world.
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[–]Alt_Chimp 1 point 1 month ago
You're celebrating white genocide.
White people are already being outproduced proportionate to others, with white liberals having babies.](https://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/yiouphijo.png?fit=600%2C418)
TFW your hunger for increased white baby production outweighs your hatred of Miley Cyrus.
That’s the sort of moral and ethical dilemma you might expect to find only on Stormfront or The Daily Stormer. But, nope, it’s on Reddit, in a subreddit with 775,000 subscribers. Because that’s how fucked we are.
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@Allandrel: That was a very nice cover. I haven’t heard of the singer before but she even does some songs in Irish:
https://youtu.be/aGFQij9A-tE
“Drunken Lullaby”. She sings in Ulster Irish which is a bit hard for me to follow…
I suspect the Indian thing might be a reference to Billy Ray claiming to have Cherokee ancestry in his background, which to the best of my knowledge has neither been confirmed nor denied. A fast google search does indicate that he’s used his celebrity to help register Native Americans to vote, so that could be another thing the MAGA crowd holds against Miley.
The MAGAs also aren’t the first racists to mix Native American with folks from India, so there’s that layer too.
O/T; but maybe people will find this funny.
It was our animal rights march the other weekend. There’s some anti-vegan Youtubers. They’re the ones who got prosecuted for eating raw squirrel at another vegan thing (you’d think the tummy trouble would be punishment enough).
But they turned up at the march. The police said they’d nick them though if they didn’t go away. That’s totally unlawful of course; but it’s a bit of state oppression I can live with.
And it’s their own fault for not having a better legal team 😉
@Alan Robertshaw
Those anti-vegans are something else. People complain about vegan animal rights protestors a lot, but in my experience vegans have never caused me any trouble (and most of the vegans I know online and in the real world are awesome people), while the anti-vegans tend to be total assholes and in your face about their meat consumption. You eat meat, we get it, please stop harassing me. Plus the stupid stunts like the squirrel thing.
I would imagine the average anti-vegan is some toxically masculine dude. “Me manly man! Me eat red meat!”
@Nagflar : lucky you. Somehow, I like the reminder by Alan Robertshaw that there are anti-vegan assholes too because it prove that level of obnoxiousness isn’t related to not eating meat.
Without entering too much in the details because they are, after all, a loud minority giving a bad name to an understandable movement, let’s say some vegan are way too loud and put way too much in the face of everyone else how *they* don’t have their hand bloodied with the life of innocent cute animals. That’s before the even more vocal minority that talk about attacking butcheries (some seem to do that according to the headlines)
(while different I don’t really see how the life of a tree is worth more or less than the live of a chicken. I guess that *do* make me biased vs vegans, which itself make me more likely to study their excess)
On a side note, I have seen somewhere somebody say a beverage wasn’t vegan because it was filtered with wood charcoal (“charbon de bois” in french in the original). Does someone have an explanation ?
@ Ohlmann
Charcoal may contain animal products, so it can;t be guaranteed vegan
Anyone claiming there are no strident obnoxious vegans either don’t get out much or are being less than honest. It is a trope even among vegans.
(And my vegan friends would like them to stop please)
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ev8q3e/why-people-hate-vegans-according-to-vegans
“I absolutely agree that the signage is obnoxious. Things like that, personally, kept me away from veganism for years until I met other intersectional POC vegans who provided me with literally a safe space (especially as a woman of color) to explore it without judgment, having my culture shat on, or obnoxious hounding.”
They’re the dietary version of sanctimonious cyclists.
Every group has these vocal “I’ll make change by being obnoxious” people. But it seems to be a canard that one always has a blind spot with ones own affinities.
For instance, I had no idea some of my fellow meat eaters would go out of their way to disrupt a pretty harmless peaceful protest. Seems like a waste of time. But obviously that is happening.
Still the straw carnivore is probably as common as the straw vegan: a few people fit the profile, but they tend to be young immature attention gettters.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrawVegetarian
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Why would you even want to eat raw squirrel? I don’t even let my dog eat raw squirrel.
For me being vegan is so I don’t have to watch my nephews (2 and 5) spend their adult lives fighting over the last bottles of water in a razorwire thunderdome because climate change part fuelled by animal agriculture has fucked the planet over.
So yeah, I am pretty strident about it now. Playing nicey nice hasn’t worked. “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”. We’re at the fight stage now.
Eating revolting and possibly parasite-infested raw squirrel to own the libs.
@varalys
Honest question here, who is it you’re fighting?
I’m trying to parse your meaning and to me it looks like you’re saying you’re fighting non-vegans for choosing a diet different than yours, but that doesn’t square with what I know of you, so I’m just trying to understand you.
I’m fighting for the planet, I’m fighting for the animals. Veganism isn’t a diet it’s an ethical stance defined as avoiding all animal exploitation. I just want to promote it, and the pushback by meat eaters, including studies funded by the animal ag industry is what I am fighting. Lots of misinformation is being disseminated against veganism (see today in fact where many news outlets are claiming vegans are deficient in a nutrient called choline, based on a egg industry funded opinion piece). I’m not fighting individual people for their choices. I just want people to have a honest picture of what veganism, or plant-based diet if you don’t care about the ethics is.
Thank you for clarifying. Hope things are going well with you.
Thanks, I’ve got some stressful stuff hanging over me, but I’m pretty zen right now.
As well as the obvious animal exploitation and environmental cost of meat and dairy; there is also a human impact. 85% of starving and malnourished children live in countries that export food for for animal fodder; and the ethnic cleansing and genocide of indigenous people in the Amazon is so the meat industry can burn the forests to graze cattle and grow soy for animal feed.
Obviously though it’s a journey; no-one arrives fully formed as they say. We’re all imperfect humans doing the best we can.
I would ask people to consider this though; this site has used ‘puppy eater’ as an insult; yet lots of cultures do eat dog. It’s purely upbringing that dictates whether you eat baby dogs, or whether you eat lamb or veal. It’s strange though, that it’s the one bit of ‘othering’ that is ok here; we’d ever use ‘prefers pentatonic scale’ as an epithet.
Just out of curiosity, how do vegans get vitamin B12?
There is a British “celebrity chef” called Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall who has made a series of TV programmes and written some books on more sustainable modes of food production who once admitted that he had eaten squirrel. There are parts of the UK where squirrel numbers are such that they are considered pests (IIRC they eat tree saplings), especially the grey squirrel, which is an invasive species in the British Isles and displacing the native red squirrel, to the point where their numbers have to be culled. As far as he was concerned, it was taking advantage of a protein source that would otherwise have been discarded, similar to the arguments made by the “freegan” movement. Of course, the tabloid newspapers didn’t see it that way, who wrote articles headlined, “ZOMG Top Chef Eats Tufty The Squirrel Shock Horror!!!1!” ?
Personally, I cook most of the food I eat from scratch and I have been eating vegetarian and vegan a lot lately. I still eat meat if I’m out or visiting friends or relatives because I don’t want to put people out, but it’s becoming more and more evident to me that, like it’s said that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, that goes double for food. Especially in Ireland where the beef lobby is so strong, they receive massive subsidies from our Government and the EU, while being the largest contributor to Ireland not meeting our carbon targets– and engaging in active climate-change denial at the same time! Screw them.
Supplements, fortified plant milks and cereals, nutritional yeast etc
The majority of B12 supplements are used in the animal ag industry, the conditions the cattle are kept in has them producing very little B12 of their own so they are injected with the supplement.
It’s estimated that around 40% of Americans are B12 deficient and they sure ain”t all vegans.
@ Naglfar
I do like Marmite; so that’s a B12 source; but also I don’t wash fruit and veg; so I probably get enough B12 just from the earth residue still left on sweet potatoes and the like. Seriously; that’s how a lot of people got their B12 in t’olden days.
@Alan:
That is something not emphasised enough IMO. For example, during the Great Famine in Ireland between 1845 and 1847 which resulted in the deaths of one million people, the emigration of another million, and whose demographic impact is still being felt (and which, BTW, was small potatoes– sorry– compared to some of the famines in places like India and Africa that have happened in living memory), Ireland remained a net exporter of food! Very few of the famines that have struck countries across the world have been the result of natural causes– they have been exacerbated by political and/or economic doctrines prevailing at the time.
@ cat mara
Yeah; that was of course, like the Amazon situation now, weaponised food production.
You seen this btw? I know you already know all this; but it’s very well presented.
@Alan Robertshaw
Why don’t you wash fruit? Don’t you get pesticides and stuff then?
@Alan Robertshaw: It has been pointed out that this xkcd comic is somewhat deceptive (though not intentionally so) in the sense that if you made every human vegan and got rid of all the pets and livestock, the number of wild mammals would maybe double. If you got rid of the humans as well, they’d maybe triple. Humans and livestock are displacing wild land animals to a significant extent, reducing their numbers, but not directly replacing them – it is due entirely to modern farming methods that such massive amounts of mammalian biomass exists at all.
(Not making, or pushing, any sort of moral values or judgement here; just providing perspective.)
@ naglfar
I’d like to pretend it’s some moral stance; or for health reasons or something; but basically I’m just lazy.
@ snowberry
Someone has done an updated version that adds ants into the mix; and that’s pretty amazing. I seem to recall also that there’s a theory, by ‘proper’ scientists, that the bulk of biomass might actually be subsurface bacteria.