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Perpetually angry dudes now angry that She-Hulk is a woman

By David Futrelle

So Disney just announced the imminent arrival of a new She-Hulk series on Disney+. Most fans seem pretty psyched about the news. “YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!” wrote one She-Hulk lover on Twitter. “I’M NOT KIDDING I STARTED CRYING,” wrote another. “SHE-HULK … WAS THE FIRST MARVEL FEMALE HERO THAT I LOVED.”

And then there are these guys, littering Instagram and Twitter with these bad takes.

This post was perhaps the most inadvertently ironic:

Yes, I’m sure that Stan Lee would be SHOCKED to learn that a character he created nearly 40 years ago has gotten a show of her own.

It’s almost as if these guys are fake comic book fans or something.

This guy, meanwhile, had his own very specific agenda:

TWITTER MAN ONLY WANT PRETTY SHE-HULK. TWITTER MAN SMASH IF SHE-HULK LOOK TOO BUTCH!

H/T — Thanks to Twitterers @goslngs, @eriktonys and @BrieLarsonHQ, from whom I nicked the Instagram screenshots above.

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Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
1 year ago

A friend of mine, a few years back, liked to tell me about a then-current She-Hulk series he really liked, which mainly focused on her legal work – she’d been hired by a law firm that specialized in super-related cases.

I think he said there was one about a trial that was interrupted by supervillain attack: She-Hulk saved the day, but the judge ended up declaring a mistrial as the jury would likely be biased in favour of the side whose lawyer had just saved their lives.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

@Malitia:
I can see that being canon. Both of them would enjoy being with someone else who doesn’t break easily.

Katamount
1 year ago

@Malitia

Ohhhhhh my…. *fans face* HOOOOOT!

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

One of my favorite She-Hulk stories had Congress pass a law allowing masked heroes to file suit and testify in court without revealing their identities, as long as a trusted individual could vouch that “yeah, that’s the real HeroGuy.”

The MOMENT that law was passed, Spider-Man swung into the window of She-Hulk’s law firm and declared his desire to sue J. Jonah Jameson for years of libel. The hearing was hilarious.

Batgirl
Batgirl
1 year ago

Malitia wrote on
August 27, 2019 at 3:38 am

I was following the ~gate plaguing comics somewhat closely, so I’ve seen “comic book fans” (among others):

* ‘splain Neil Gaiman’s career to Neil Gaiman

I truly wish I had seen that, and Gaiman’s subsequent reaction. I love his work and personality, and I imagine he put said ‘splainer in his place in the most poetic way possible.

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
1 year ago

@Ariblester

I’m sorry, there are people who watch an anime series that is male-gazey as all get out, whose central draw is female child soldiers in short shorts, and yet actively dislike girl-on-girl action? Okay then.

Well to be fair, more than half of the witches in said series are at least age of consent and the most on screen style Yuri you see is maybe a lot of heavy interpersonal relationship undertones, some skin-ship boob gropes between the witches and one on screen drunken kiss. Everything else is just strong interpersonal interactions that strongly imply “more than just friends or comrades” relationships at times.

But still, details aside, the point still stands; said aforementioned “alleged minority fans” hate the idea of two girls even having remote romantic interest in each other even its its merely implied undertones and subtext most of the time. Heck for the biggest Yuri pairing, Eila and Sanya, whom the creator said outright and rather plainly, have the relationship of a jealous boyfriend (Eila) and his girlfriend (Sanya) who have a hard time conveying their feelings for each other.

I guess I more bring it up because I find the similarites between those folks in my fandom comparable to these dinguses in the Marvel fandom getting mad at She-Hulk for existing.

*Edit Also apologies for the somewhat sloppy quote attempt; I’m still not quite sure how to make a more proper style of quote using the current comments response set up

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

@Allandrel:

Do you know where one could track that story down? It sounds hilarious.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

TacticalProgressive wrote on
August 27, 2019 at 8:33 pm:

*Edit Also apologies for the somewhat sloppy quote attempt; I’m still not quite sure how to make a more proper style of quote using the current comments response set up

I think you are using the basic blockquote perfectly, everyone else’s blockquotes look different because many people recently installed Ariblester’s bookmarklet, which can be found at this link. Or you can continue apace with the basic version, but it’s not sloppy, is what I’m saying. 🙂

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

As @Big Titty Demon says, I made a bookmarklet/userscript to make blockquoting a little easier and standardized. It’s totally optional (@Malita was an early adopter), and others have their own style for quoting.

A description of the bookmarklet is here, instructions for installing the bookmarklet can be found here, and usage instructions here.

I really need to figure out a better way to consolidate this information 😓. At the moment I just throw it up on the latest open thread, and answer tech support questions from people who are (understandably) confused about how to use it.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

@Ariblester
Maybe put it on github with a readme.md file for the instructions and FAQs?

I keep meaning to check it over for you, and I’m especially curious about the infinite loop you mentioned, but I just haven’t had time. But if you need any js help at any point, let me know.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

kupo wrote on
August 28, 2019 at 12:14 am:

@Ariblester

Maybe put it on github with a readme.md file for the instructions and FAQs?

I keep meaning to check it over for you, and I’m especially curious about the infinite loop you mentioned, but I just haven’t had time. But if you need any js help at any point, let me know.

Good suggestion, I’ll look into it, and your offer of help is much appreciated 🙂. This is my first attempt at writing a userscript for public consumption, and I’m basically flying blind and relying on Google and StackExchange.

Rei Malebario
Rei Malebario
1 year ago

Dan Slott’s run where Jennifer Walters gets hired to practice superhuman law would be perfect for a tv-series.

And I’ve loved She-Hul from the beginning where she was clearly a somewhat cheesy character to more recent times when she’s been made into a much more rounded character in her own right. Lately, she’s really been a more fun character to read about than her cousin.

Wait, I’m a dude … sorry about the above. I mean:

RRAAHH! WHY ONLY FENALE “SHE”-HULK?!???? I DEMAND THEY MAKE A HE-SHE-HULK-MAN SHOW WITH AT LEAST EQUAL AIRTIOME!!!!

Am I doing this right?

Gijoel
Gijoel
1 year ago

Ali McBeale with unstoppable rage. I could watch that.

It’d be hilarious if they did a Harvey Birdman cross over. Though that’s nominally DC.

https://youtu.be/wKbGnzmidsw

epitome of incomprehensibility

@Snowberry – same, I’m not the person who knows everything about Marvel comics, but I’ve known there was a She-Hulk for a while.

The tweet “A woman hulk? That agenda” might be sarcasm, but the others seem quite sincere.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Rabid Rabbit

It’s from Dan Slott’s run. I think the title of that volume was simply “She-Hulk.”

Malitia
Malitia
1 year ago

Allandrel wrote on
August 28, 2019 at 7:33 am:

@Rabid Rabbit

It’s from Dan Slott’s run. I think the title of that volume was simply “She-Hulk.”

Friendly advice: That’s not enough info to identify a Big2 comic book series easily. You either need the starting year or preferably the volume number. In the case of She-Hulk there are 3 separate series titled just “She-Hulk”, and one revival that was numbered back (including all other previous title permutations) into the first series after it ended ages ago.

She-Hulk vol. 1 (2004) – This is the first part of Dan Slott’s run, lasted 12 issues.
She-Hulk vol. 2 (2005) – The second part of Dan Slott’s run, later (with issue #22) Peter David takes over, 38 issues.
She-Hulk vol. 3 (2014) – The run of Charles Soule. 12 issues.
She-Hulk vol. 1 (2018) – The second half of Mariko Tamaki’s run, the first was Hulk vol. 4 (2017) for reasons. 5 issues numbered from 159 to 163.

In comic book circles this isn’t even considered confusing yet (I had to wiki heavily for it though). :3

Malitia
Malitia
1 year ago

Marvel/DC Exec: How could we attract new readers?
Intern: Humanly readable numbering? Because the current mess…
Exec: … Oh! NEW NUMBER ONES! AS “JUMPING ON POINT”S! *mumble*And collector bait as usual*mumble*
Intern: That’s not what I…
Exec: I’M A GENIUS!!!!
Intern: *Sigh*

/sarcasm

Shadowplay
1 year ago

Loved She-Hulk whe she first came out. Still do.

She’s one of the few supers that … wait for it … enjoys life! I mean, yeah, there can be desperate situations, and anger, and pain, but most of the time she’s actually having fun with life.

I like that.

(Ok, there were a storyline in the early 2000s where she got a gritty reboot – I speak not of those)

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Just a quick announcement:

I have taken my WHTM Quote Helper off Greasyfork and put it on Github instead (link in my username), together with a much clearer explanation of how to install and use it.

The Pastebin for the bookmarklet will also no longer be updated. Get it also from the Github.

Thanks to @kupo for the suggestion.

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
1 year ago

@GIJoel:

Ali McBeale with unstoppable rage. I could watch that.

Someone more familiar with the comics correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think She-Hulk is particularly ragey. As I understand it the gamma-persona reflects whatever traits the main personality has repressed, so for Bruce it’s anger, but for Jennifer, who’s shy and buried in her work, the She-Hulk is her playful side. Which can cause its own set of problems if she wakes up next to someone who went to bed with She-Hulk and was not expecting to wake up next to an ordinary human.

Malitia
Malitia
1 year ago

Moon_custafer wrote on
August 28, 2019 at 11:42 am:

Someone more familiar with the comics correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think She-Hulk is particularly ragey. As I understand it the gamma-persona reflects whatever traits the main personality has repressed

Yes. Kinda. Jen is generally not ragey.

Except nowadays, when she has that more muscular form. It’s the result of the Civil War II event where Bruce died* and she was wounded so badly she went into a prolonged coma**, she… didn’t take it well*** and then Jason Aaron (current writer on Avengers) kept her that way****.

* Got better, he is immortal now, and that book (The Immortal Hulk) heavily implies that most gamma mutates are some level death immune.
** The superhero comedy sitcom Patsy Walker, Aka Hellcat was saddled with that particular darkness because darkness.
*** That Mariko Tamaki run I mentioned dealt with her grief and rage and other issues over it.
**** He had to ignore the later parts of the Tamaki comic to do that, but he is very prolific in such things. I’ve issues with the guy, Okay?

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

@Moon_custafer, Malitia:
And The Leader was repressing his megalomania. Doc Samson, probably the most psychologically well-adjusted of the gamma mutates (being a psychologist who had already gone over most of his own issues) probably has the least personality change when he transforms. Abomination just slips what little leash he had.

I don’t think the ‘Jekyll/Hyde’ idea of the repressed personality was inherent when the whole Hulk mythos was set up, but it’s certainly become embedded by now.

Malitia
Malitia
1 year ago

Batgirl wrote on
August 27, 2019 at 6:41 pm:

Malitia wrote on

August 27, 2019 at 3:38 am

I was following the ~gate plaguing comics somewhat closely, so I’ve seen “comic book fans” (among others):

* ‘splain Neil Gaiman’s career to Neil Gaiman

I truly wish I had seen that, and Gaiman’s subsequent reaction. I love his work and personality, and I imagine he put said ‘splainer in his place in the most poetic way possible.

I tried to find that thread yesterday, but apparently I misplaced the bookmark… but here is him remembering it happening (and why he doesn’t touch the “poop” since then):

https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1082426224494952448

(In other news: I haz new icon!)