By David Futrelle
It’s Friday, which means it’s time for some BAD SCENCE from the manosphere.
Actually, I have never before specified Friday as a day for bad science, but humor me this once, because I found some pretty, pretty bad science in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, and I’m going to share it with you.
It seems the fellas were discussing the alleged tendency of women to “scream and yell at the top of their lungs anytime something [bad] happens.” And one of the regulars — a wise fellow in the 12th grade — offered a detailed explanation, which basically boiled down to “women get headaches when they have to logic.”
Take it away, PrinceRaj53!
As much “demeaning” or “misommistic” it sounds, but the truth is: logical evaluation in a situation is exhausting for women.
And apparently correctly spelling “misogynistic” is exhausting for men, or at least for the Men Going Their Own Way variety.
Men rely primarily on logical reasoning, whereas women rely primarily on emotional reasoning. …
For Men- “if it works, do it” (doesn’t care how it will feel)
For Women- “if it feels good do it” (or avoids bad feelings)
Yes, I’m sure that explains why so many men keep throwing such EXTREMELY LOGICAL fits every time a movie comes out featuring a woman as an action hero.
Now, women aren’t children, if we see it from a general perspective, right? However, in reality, women are grown up children who pretend to be adults while their actual actions and words remain the same as a child’s (I think the same about weak blue pilled males as well).
Dude, I don’t even pretend to be an adult.
A woman can handle more information and logic than a 4 year old, sure. But in general, a woman doesn’t really want to and most of the times can’t go beyond a certain point. My sincere belief is it gives them a physical head ache, just like when I study a new subject in my school with intensity(I’m in 12th, so for me the literature subjects are like this).
TOO MUCH THINK HURT BRAIN
All the new information, focus, and logic caused mental fatigue and the occasional head ache in the female mind. Sure, these things are helpful in that they create new neural pathways and learning, but it does mentally hurt. Women aren’t equipped to handle this well.
Uh, there are no pain receptors in the brain. You don’t feel anything when your brain creates new neural pathways. Headaches are centered in blood vessels, nerves and muscles outside the brain. Stress can cause headaches, but thinking logically doesn’t.
Your best approach is to use an analogy or story if you really want to get your point across,just like you would do with a child. Bonus points if it’s a real life story about something that happened to her.
For example, you might say “hey, remember when that idiot on the internet tried to tell you that women get headaches from thinking logically?”
He then offers an example of how to use a story rather than logic to outwit a female in this TOTALLY REALISTIC EXAMPLE of a conversation with a women about circumcision.
Her : “Hey! I got my kid circumcised!”
You : “You got your kid circumcised but thought that neutering your dog was mutilation. Both are cutting of the penis. Both against their individual will. Both cause the body parts to work differently and influence the sexual experience of the individual. Do you see how illogical your reasoning is?”
DO NOT do this. Just no. This will not go well, and will end up with more screaming and yelling, nothing else.
To be fair, I’m pretty sure any parent might scream and yell if they told you something about their baby and you responded by trying to outwit them logically.
Instead of that, do the following in such a situation (I am using this as an example) :
Her : “Hey! I got my kid circumcised!”
You : “Oh yeah? Huh. Cool.”
Wait a few minutes.
You : “Remember when you told me you thought neutering your dog was mutilation?”
Her :“Yes. What?”
You : “Just checking.”
Do this.
Yeah, women LOVE THAT SHIT. As ZZ Top once sang, or might have, if they had seen this post, “every girl crazy ’bout a passive-aggressive man.”
She’ll be confused for a bit. But she’ll recognize the interaction as having some sort of clear subtext. She may brush it off in the moment. But she’ll definitely think about it later. Just pass small packets of thoughts to her brain instead of going “direct to the point”.
She’ll have to make her own connections to the similarities in order to figure out the riddle. This will get the point across, and since it was done in a calm manner she can’t come at you yelling her head off. Women actually respect men who do this instead of going “direct cold hard”.
Thanks for you hard-won, mature wisdom on women, Mr. 12th Grader.
Now, lets recall a time in which you were exhausted by a woman’s emotional manipulation. Since we aren’t as emotionally oriented as them, we become exhausted by feeling lots of different emotions …
This is how women feel when a situation like you mentioned happens, they yell and scream because it gives them a mental headache.
What exactly is a “mental headache?”
She doesn’t necessarily want to fix things, not at all. She just wants to feel like creating drama to have the inherent feeling that she is right and special.
Or maybe she’s just annoyed that you’re a smug mansplaining asshole?
Use your logic to come to a conclusion, but once you are there, don’t state it as cold, hard fact, just pass it as a packet of thought to her mind indirectly. Let her figure out how to connect the dots. State the road, she’ll just follow because her hamster will stop spinning.
I’m a little baffled by the quick succession of metaphors here. Can someone draw me a diagram?
No, seriously, someone draw me a diagram, because right now I’m feeling like this little guy:
Have a good weekend, and don’t think too much!
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@ Vicky P
I’m afraid I haven’t really been following this story; and I’m only peripherally aware of the details.
Generally though, a criminal case stops with the death of the defendant. So a lot of material that would have been made public in any trial, won’t now have an outlet. Which will probably fuel conspiracy theories; but it’s not uncommon for defendants in this sort of case to commit suicide prior to trial.
I’m not sure if there’s any mechanism to investigate facts outside a trial; like how there was the Savile pubic enquiry here; bar a congressional enquiry. But would there be any great appetite for that? Epstein was linked to prominent figures on both sides of the aisle.
@Simon
My feelings on that are somewhere between “whatever” and “I’m fully ok with that”.
However, it would be a shame if the case falls apart and other people walk.
It’s interesting how guys like this do tend to commit suicide. I guess it’s because they’re control freaks and suicide is the last tool they have in their arsenal to influence events.
(DISCLAIMER: I am not a psychologist and I pulled that theory out my own brain with no official evidence)
@ Alan
Thanks! I don’t know about “appetite.” I certainly have no appetite for sexual predators to go free, but I want any further steps to be by-the-book. Rough justice is too rough for me.
I don’t think his death is a great loss but it does seem odd that he was already on suicide watch and still managed to pull it off. I had hoped he had names to name.
@Simon
Latest I saw he was not actually on suicide watch. It’s still early in the news cycle, so we can probably expect a lot of changing details.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1041081
I originally read the title of this as “Women literally get headaches when they drink too hard” and thought “fair enough”. I was a bit disappointed with the actual content of the article.
It seems like the best hope for justice now is if prosecutors go after Ghislaine Maxwell
https://www.thecut.com/2019/08/with-epstein-gone-will-focus-turn-to-ghislaine-maxwell.html
I hope this happens, but I’m not holding my breath. Public pressure will have to stay strong. Considering how both ends of the political spectrum are coming up with conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death, I think there could be. Pretty much everyone is mad that there may be justice, although it seems like the right is only mad about it because they want Bill Clinton taken down, they clearly don’t care about abused minors and sex trafficking.
@Lumipuna : good point on the actual sense of logical for them. For circumcision specifically, I don’t know the pro and con very much outside of “it’s a strange religious ritual common in the US”. That being said, there are plenty of cases where life-altering decisions have to be taken without consent (think childrens, unconscious people … and animals). Here, intent is important.
@about Epstein : given that Trump grade very high on “would hire an hitman for convenience”, let’s say I wait and see what happen. If no hitman is found within 6 months I guess I will say it’s a natural suicide, given that I don’t think Trump would hire a *competent* hitman.
Comment from Popehat about Epstein’s suicide: Americans will always find it easier to accept elaborate conspiracy theories than accept than the way the system treats people is freakishly reckless and inhuman.
@Moggie : to put into perspective, it’s to argue against the argument that the jailers would not have let him suicide.
As the same Popehat say, foul play is plausible. Whether it was we will never be sure, and it’s important to remember he could have suicided without external intervention.
Re: the investigation, looks like the case ends because no one else was charged.
https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1160186307118796801?s=19
Well, that’s unfortunate. (The case ending part.)
There could still be an investigation into Acosta and why he allowed the sweetheart deal earlier, I suppose, but yes, barring a congressional inquiry, I suspect people who want to know what really happened don’t have as many options as they’d like.
I also agree with the ‘control freak’ bit above… while there are certainly lots of powerful people who would have preferred Epstein never get a chance to testify, someone committing suicide as a last ‘screw you!’ to the rest of the world when their plans start falling apart is hardly an unheard-of event.
Indeed. See Adolf Hitler on 30 April 1945 in his bunker.
It’s been a while since the last open thread, so even though this is kind of off topic I’ll post it here. I was visiting my parents and it turns out my mother is now a SWERF. She apparently saw a presentation on child sex trafficking and now thinks all sex workers are trafficked children. She claims that she has “seen what sex work does to people” and refused to listen when I explained that if sex work were legal there would be less trafficking. She then switched topics and started claiming that all sex work is demeaning to women by nature.
How do I argue back? Maybe I should give up, but if my mother keeps going this way she could go full TERF sooner or later, which would obviously be problematic. Any ideas for responses or counter arguments?
Maybe mention male sex workers?
@rugbyyogi
That is a good way to put it that I hadn’t thought about. Thank you for that. You’ve broaden my mind on the issue.
When my wife told me about Epstein this morning, my first thought was how they were going to construct a Killary dunit conspiracy theory and, of course, Trump has already retweeted an accusation against the Clintons. (For those who don’t follow US news, there was already a conspiracy group who claim that she has ordered over 30 murders.)
I have a bit of knowledge about prisons, having served 18 months in Federal Prison as a Vietnam War draft resister almost 50 years ago. I am absolute bumfuzzled that they didn’t have him on maximum security surveillance. He had attempted suicide before and faced spending the rest of his life under severe lack of freedom in a situation where “short heist artists” like him are extremely despised and punished by fellow inmates wherever possible. In addition there are undoubtedly powerful people who are glad he is permanently mute. The prison administration had to know that even if he actually committed suicide, the resulting conspiracy theories would be endless and would stain everyone at all involved. Ultimately it is the Attorney General who is responsible for keeping an Epstein alive, and William Barr’s credibility is already about as low as it can get. If anybody in authority thought about it at all (always a question in the Trump Maladministration), they had to realize that a substantial number of people will never believe anything other than Epstein was allowed to kill himself so that he wouldn’t be able to snitch on Trump or someone else very important. This is the epitome of a clusterfuck.
@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina
Yes, it does look bad. But what else could the prison administrators do? Continue the suicide watch for Epstein? If they had done that, the guy might never have killed himself.
Also, at that point, the Trump administration don’t care about looking bad to anyone but their core electors. It’s not like I would despite the Trump governement any less if they made Epstein survive to the tribunal.
Given Trump’s habit of accusing others of what he himself is doing, I view this as a confession.
If the Clintons really were powerful enough to order a hit inside a max security prison on one of America’s most high-profile inmates, wouldn’t Hillary also be president right now?
Trump’s definitely involved.
(but his hitman killed a bigly lot of people, more people than anyone else ever, and everyone says he’s the best hitman. The prison was wrong, not his hitman)
Yup
Wow, this young man has completely DESTROYED all those women who want to circumsize their kids but consider neutering dogs to be mutilation. A devastating blow to womankind.
When I run across a man (or in this case, boy), I always wonder what his mother was like and what in their sorry life caused them to feel this way.
My sons are in their 30s and don’t have this view of women. Perhaps it was because they were raised by a woman who is an engineering director and taught them critical thinking skills?
“fwiw, apart from medical emergency I think the only person who should decide on a body modification is the person living in that body, when they’re old enough to know what they’re deciding.”
THIS
It’s not debatable and some places are considering stopping for liability reasons.
It’s amazing a community who used to eviscerate people for the slightest hint of “ablism”- in quotes because the examples I’m thinking if we’re really stretching it- give a collective shrug about bodily autonomy because you don’t have a penis?
Wtf? That’s the standard? I know for a fact regulars who strongly disagree. I suspect they will mostly remain silent.
That is not the sign of a healthy community.
For the record most cultures who developed this practice were desert cultures. Men who live with access to plenty of water have no reason not to learn how to wash properly to avoid health problems.
Just because your ancestors ancestors did something doesn’t relieve you of the responsibly to rethink that practice by modern ethical standards.
Christ.