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Women literally get headaches when they think too hard, complete dumbass explains

Writing this post gave me a headache

By David Futrelle

It’s Friday, which means it’s time for some BAD SCENCE from the manosphere.

Actually, I have never before specified Friday as a day for bad science, but humor me this once, because I found some pretty, pretty bad science in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, and I’m going to share it with you.

It seems the fellas were discussing the alleged tendency of women to “scream and yell at the top of their lungs anytime something [bad] happens.” And one of the regulars — a wise fellow in the 12th grade — offered a detailed explanation, which basically boiled down to “women get headaches when they have to logic.”

Take it away, PrinceRaj53!

As much “demeaning” or “misommistic” it sounds, but the truth is: logical evaluation in a situation is exhausting for women.

And apparently correctly spelling “misogynistic” is exhausting for men, or at least for the Men Going Their Own Way variety.

Men rely primarily on logical reasoning, whereas women rely primarily on emotional reasoning. …

For Men- “if it works, do it” (doesn’t care how it will feel)

For Women- “if it feels good do it” (or avoids bad feelings)

Yes, I’m sure that explains why so many men keep throwing such EXTREMELY LOGICAL fits every time a movie comes out featuring a woman as an action hero.

Now, women aren’t children, if we see it from a general perspective, right? However, in reality, women are grown up children who pretend to be adults while their actual actions and words remain the same as a child’s (I think the same about weak blue pilled males as well).

Dude, I don’t even pretend to be an adult.

A woman can handle more information and logic than a 4 year old, sure. But in general, a woman doesn’t really want to and most of the times can’t go beyond a certain point. My sincere belief is it gives them a physical head ache, just like when I study a new subject in my school with intensity(I’m in 12th, so for me the literature subjects are like this).

TOO MUCH THINK HURT BRAIN

All the new information, focus, and logic caused mental fatigue and the occasional head ache in the female mind. Sure, these things are helpful in that they create new neural pathways and learning, but it does mentally hurt. Women aren’t equipped to handle this well.

Uh, there are no pain receptors in the brain. You don’t feel anything when your brain creates new neural pathways. Headaches are centered in blood vessels, nerves and muscles outside the brain. Stress can cause headaches, but thinking logically doesn’t.

Your best approach is to use an analogy or story if you really want to get your point across,just like you would do with a child. Bonus points if it’s a real life story about something that happened to her.

For example, you might say “hey, remember when that idiot on the internet tried to tell you that women get headaches from thinking logically?”

He then offers an example of how to use a story rather than logic to outwit a female in this TOTALLY REALISTIC EXAMPLE of a conversation with a women about circumcision.

Her : “Hey! I got my kid circumcised!”

You : “You got your kid circumcised but thought that neutering your dog was mutilation. Both are cutting of the penis. Both against their individual will. Both cause the body parts to work differently and influence the sexual experience of the individual. Do you see how illogical your reasoning is?”

DO NOT do this. Just no. This will not go well, and will end up with more screaming and yelling, nothing else.

To be fair, I’m pretty sure any parent might scream and yell if they told you something about their baby and you responded by trying to outwit them logically.

Instead of that, do the following in such a situation (I am using this as an example) :

Her : “Hey! I got my kid circumcised!”

You : “Oh yeah? Huh. Cool.”

Wait a few minutes.

You : “Remember when you told me you thought neutering your dog was mutilation?”

Her :“Yes. What?”

You : “Just checking.”

Do this.

Yeah, women LOVE THAT SHIT. As ZZ Top once sang, or might have, if they had seen this post, “every girl crazy ’bout a passive-aggressive man.”

She’ll be confused for a bit. But she’ll recognize the interaction as having some sort of clear subtext. She may brush it off in the moment. But she’ll definitely think about it later. Just pass small packets of thoughts to her brain instead of going “direct to the point”.

She’ll have to make her own connections to the similarities in order to figure out the riddle. This will get the point across, and since it was done in a calm manner she can’t come at you yelling her head off. Women actually respect men who do this instead of going “direct cold hard”.

Thanks for you hard-won, mature wisdom on women, Mr. 12th Grader.

Now, lets recall a time in which you were exhausted by a woman’s emotional manipulation. Since we aren’t as emotionally oriented as them, we become exhausted by feeling lots of different emotions …

This is how women feel when a situation like you mentioned happens, they yell and scream because it gives them a mental headache.

What exactly is a “mental headache?”

She doesn’t necessarily want to fix things, not at all. She just wants to feel like creating drama to have the inherent feeling that she is right and special.

Or maybe she’s just annoyed that you’re a smug mansplaining asshole?

Use your logic to come to a conclusion, but once you are there, don’t state it as cold, hard fact, just pass it as a packet of thought to her mind indirectly. Let her figure out how to connect the dots. State the road, she’ll just follow because her hamster will stop spinning.

I’m a little baffled by the quick succession of metaphors here. Can someone draw me a diagram?

No, seriously, someone draw me a diagram, because right now I’m feeling like this little guy:

Have a good weekend, and don’t think too much!

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ Vicky P

I’m afraid I haven’t really been following this story; and I’m only peripherally aware of the details.

Generally though, a criminal case stops with the death of the defendant. So a lot of material that would have been made public in any trial, won’t now have an outlet. Which will probably fuel conspiracy theories; but it’s not uncommon for defendants in this sort of case to commit suicide prior to trial.

I’m not sure if there’s any mechanism to investigate facts outside a trial; like how there was the Savile pubic enquiry here; bar a congressional enquiry. But would there be any great appetite for that? Epstein was linked to prominent figures on both sides of the aisle.

Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screech Junky
Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screech Junky
1 year ago

@Simon

My feelings on that are somewhere between “whatever” and “I’m fully ok with that”.

However, it would be a shame if the case falls apart and other people walk.

It’s interesting how guys like this do tend to commit suicide. I guess it’s because they’re control freaks and suicide is the last tool they have in their arsenal to influence events.

(DISCLAIMER: I am not a psychologist and I pulled that theory out my own brain with no official evidence)

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@ Alan

Thanks! I don’t know about “appetite.” I certainly have no appetite for sexual predators to go free, but I want any further steps to be by-the-book. Rough justice is too rough for me.

Simon
Simon
1 year ago

I don’t think his death is a great loss but it does seem odd that he was already on suicide watch and still managed to pull it off. I had hoped he had names to name.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

@Simon
Latest I saw he was not actually on suicide watch. It’s still early in the news cycle, so we can probably expect a lot of changing details.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1041081

Not Edward
Not Edward
1 year ago

I originally read the title of this as “Women literally get headaches when they drink too hard” and thought “fair enough”. I was a bit disappointed with the actual content of the article.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

It seems like the best hope for justice now is if prosecutors go after Ghislaine Maxwell
https://www.thecut.com/2019/08/with-epstein-gone-will-focus-turn-to-ghislaine-maxwell.html

I hope this happens, but I’m not holding my breath. Public pressure will have to stay strong. Considering how both ends of the political spectrum are coming up with conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death, I think there could be. Pretty much everyone is mad that there may be justice, although it seems like the right is only mad about it because they want Bill Clinton taken down, they clearly don’t care about abused minors and sex trafficking.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Lumipuna : good point on the actual sense of logical for them. For circumcision specifically, I don’t know the pro and con very much outside of “it’s a strange religious ritual common in the US”. That being said, there are plenty of cases where life-altering decisions have to be taken without consent (think childrens, unconscious people … and animals). Here, intent is important.

@about Epstein : given that Trump grade very high on “would hire an hitman for convenience”, let’s say I wait and see what happen. If no hitman is found within 6 months I guess I will say it’s a natural suicide, given that I don’t think Trump would hire a *competent* hitman.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

Comment from Popehat about Epstein’s suicide: Americans will always find it easier to accept elaborate conspiracy theories than accept than the way the system treats people is freakishly reckless and inhuman.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Moggie : to put into perspective, it’s to argue against the argument that the jailers would not have let him suicide.

As the same Popehat say, foul play is plausible. Whether it was we will never be sure, and it’s important to remember he could have suicided without external intervention.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

Re: the investigation, looks like the case ends because no one else was charged.

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https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1160186307118796801?s=19

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

Well, that’s unfortunate. (The case ending part.)

There could still be an investigation into Acosta and why he allowed the sweetheart deal earlier, I suppose, but yes, barring a congressional inquiry, I suspect people who want to know what really happened don’t have as many options as they’d like.

I also agree with the ‘control freak’ bit above… while there are certainly lots of powerful people who would have preferred Epstein never get a chance to testify, someone committing suicide as a last ‘screw you!’ to the rest of the world when their plans start falling apart is hardly an unheard-of event.

Mabret (née Laugher at Bigots)
Mabret (née Laugher at Bigots)
1 year ago

Indeed. See Adolf Hitler on 30 April 1945 in his bunker.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

It’s been a while since the last open thread, so even though this is kind of off topic I’ll post it here. I was visiting my parents and it turns out my mother is now a SWERF. She apparently saw a presentation on child sex trafficking and now thinks all sex workers are trafficked children. She claims that she has “seen what sex work does to people” and refused to listen when I explained that if sex work were legal there would be less trafficking. She then switched topics and started claiming that all sex work is demeaning to women by nature.
How do I argue back? Maybe I should give up, but if my mother keeps going this way she could go full TERF sooner or later, which would obviously be problematic. Any ideas for responses or counter arguments?

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

Maybe mention male sex workers?

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@rugbyyogi

That is a good way to put it that I hadn’t thought about. Thank you for that. You’ve broaden my mind on the issue.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
1 year ago

When my wife told me about Epstein this morning, my first thought was how they were going to construct a Killary dunit conspiracy theory and, of course, Trump has already retweeted an accusation against the Clintons. (For those who don’t follow US news, there was already a conspiracy group who claim that she has ordered over 30 murders.)

I have a bit of knowledge about prisons, having served 18 months in Federal Prison as a Vietnam War draft resister almost 50 years ago. I am absolute bumfuzzled that they didn’t have him on maximum security surveillance. He had attempted suicide before and faced spending the rest of his life under severe lack of freedom in a situation where “short heist artists” like him are extremely despised and punished by fellow inmates wherever possible. In addition there are undoubtedly powerful people who are glad he is permanently mute. The prison administration had to know that even if he actually committed suicide, the resulting conspiracy theories would be endless and would stain everyone at all involved. Ultimately it is the Attorney General who is responsible for keeping an Epstein alive, and William Barr’s credibility is already about as low as it can get. If anybody in authority thought about it at all (always a question in the Trump Maladministration), they had to realize that a substantial number of people will never believe anything other than Epstein was allowed to kill himself so that he wouldn’t be able to snitch on Trump or someone else very important. This is the epitome of a clusterfuck.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

If anybody in authority thought about it at all (always a question in the Trump Maladministration), they had to realize that a substantial number of people will never believe anything other than Epstein was allowed to kill himself so that he wouldn’t be able to snitch on Trump or someone else very important.

Yes, it does look bad. But what else could the prison administrators do? Continue the suicide watch for Epstein? If they had done that, the guy might never have killed himself.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

Also, at that point, the Trump administration don’t care about looking bad to anyone but their core electors. It’s not like I would despite the Trump governement any less if they made Epstein survive to the tribunal.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

When my wife told me about Epstein this morning, my first thought was how they were going to construct a Killary dunit conspiracy theory and, of course, Trump has already retweeted an accusation against the Clintons.

Given Trump’s habit of accusing others of what he himself is doing, I view this as a confession.

If the Clintons really were powerful enough to order a hit inside a max security prison on one of America’s most high-profile inmates, wouldn’t Hillary also be president right now?

Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screech Junky
Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screech Junky
1 year ago

This is the epitome of a clusterfuck.

Trump’s definitely involved.

(but his hitman killed a bigly lot of people, more people than anyone else ever, and everyone says he’s the best hitman. The prison was wrong, not his hitman)

If the Clintons really were powerful enough to order a hit inside a max security prison on one of America’s most high-profile inmates, wouldn’t Hillary also be president right now?

Yup

Viscaria
Viscaria
1 year ago

Wow, this young man has completely DESTROYED all those women who want to circumsize their kids but consider neutering dogs to be mutilation. A devastating blow to womankind.

GeekGoddess
GeekGoddess
1 year ago

When I run across a man (or in this case, boy), I always wonder what his mother was like and what in their sorry life caused them to feel this way.

My sons are in their 30s and don’t have this view of women. Perhaps it was because they were raised by a woman who is an engineering director and taught them critical thinking skills?

C4twoman
C4twoman
1 year ago

“fwiw, apart from medical emergency I think the only person who should decide on a body modification is the person living in that body, when they’re old enough to know what they’re deciding.”

THIS

It’s not debatable and some places are considering stopping for liability reasons.

It’s amazing a community who used to eviscerate people for the slightest hint of “ablism”- in quotes because the examples I’m thinking if we’re really stretching it- give a collective shrug about bodily autonomy because you don’t have a penis?

Wtf? That’s the standard? I know for a fact regulars who strongly disagree. I suspect they will mostly remain silent.
That is not the sign of a healthy community.

For the record most cultures who developed this practice were desert cultures. Men who live with access to plenty of water have no reason not to learn how to wash properly to avoid health problems.

Just because your ancestors ancestors did something doesn’t relieve you of the responsibly to rethink that practice by modern ethical standards.

Christ.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

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Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

Just a note: us non-neurotypical people don’t always find the meanings of those gifs obvious …

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

It’s just me rolling my eyes at C4twoman’s post. There’s been multiple times now where they’ve felt the need to randomly make any topic about how horrible we are for talking about ablism.

Skye
Skye
1 year ago

It’s just me rolling my eyes at C4twoman’s post. There’s been multiple times now where they’ve felt the need to randomly make any topic about how horrible we are for talking about ablism.

And about how the community silences opinions about certain topics (even with examples of the ‘silenced’ opinion directly above their comment)

In this case at least two other commenters stated beliefs against routine circumcision (including the one quoted by @C4twoman), but sure, the commenters here won’t allow those beliefs…

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@WWTH, Skye
C4twoman’s post sounds rather like an argument I’ve heard before regarding the stifling of free speech when it isn’t actually suppressed. The fact that ableism was in scare quotes is a bit telling as well.

Also, while we’re on the topic of ableism: not sure if this is considered ableism, but it seems that intactivists (anti-circumcision activists) often come across as body shaming the many satisfied circumcised people in the world, telling them that they are broken or mutilated. They also have a tendency to call Jews and Muslims ‘barbaric’ for practicing circumcision, which I find problematic for obvious reasons.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

@GeekGoddess

When I run across a man (or in this case, boy), I always wonder what his mother was like and what in their sorry life caused them to feel this way.

My sons are in their 30s and don’t have this view of women. Perhaps it was because they were raised by a woman who is an engineering director and taught them critical thinking skills?

I’d rather not hear someone implying that it’s the fault of a woman/the mother that these misogynistic jackasses are misogynistic jackasses, if it’s all the same.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Catalpa

I’d rather not hear someone implying that it’s the fault of a woman/the mother that these misogynistic jackasses are misogynistic jackasses, if it’s all the same.

Same. I’m sure many of these people’s mothers are just as horrified at their sons as anyone else.

Skye
Skye
1 year ago

Same. I’m sure many of these people’s mothers are just as horrified at their sons as anyone else.

Honestly as a mother of young sons, the idea that they could grow up to be horrible, hateful people is terrifying.

Have any of you read The White Flight of Jacob Black? On the one hand, it is a great story about a man finding his way (with a lot of help) out of the white supremacist mindset he grew up with. Unfortunately, his entire family is still seeped in said mindset. The fact is though, that if it is possible for someone raised in a hateful ideology to come out of it, the inverse is probably possible as well.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Skye
It is definitely possible to come into or out of a hateful ideology. AFAIK most incels don’t come from misogynistic backgrounds but turn to misogyny for the same reason people turn to racism: they’re frustrated with the way their lives are going and it seems like a solution.

Skye
Skye
1 year ago

@Naglfar, and that is what worries me. It’s not like finding people spouting hate is difficult

Skye
Skye
1 year ago

@Naglfar, and that is what worries me. It’s not like finding people spouting hate is difficult

Skye
Skye
1 year ago

Crap, sorry for the double post

occasional reader
occasional reader
1 year ago

My sincere belief is…

… a scientific fact ? Indeed, who need facts when believes can explain anything ?

Sheila Crosby
1 year ago

Oh shit. There’s been a mosque attack in Oslo.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/11/norway-mosque-attack-suspect-may-have-been-inspired-by-christchurch-and-el-paso-shootings

He seems to have murdered a young woman before he went tot he mosque. Sickening, but not hugely surprising. Fortunately he only injured one person at the mosque, no fatalities there.

At least they’re refering to his screed not his “manifesto”. White supremacist, of course.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

This is quite the tale of MAGA CHUD relationship drama. And not one bit of it even surprised me.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-a-far-right-star-recruit-jacob-wohl-to-terrorize-women?ref=scroll

Katamount
1 year ago

…wow, I spend one weekend not paying attention to the news and I only learn now that Epstein’s dead?

*sigh* Can’t even enjoy a gyro and grind my vidya games no more….

And the gyro was kinda disappointing. All the best booths get gigantic lineups at 12 noon. 🙁

Tripoli
Tripoli
1 year ago

You know when an example is so specifically specific that you know it’s from a single but very memorable real-life experience?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Skye
And it definitely doesn’t help that the internet is optimized in favor of spreading hate and radicalization. Search up any controversial person or group and you’ll get a bunch of right wing “news” stories about them. Right wing journalism seems to less be about reporting facts so much as finding someone else to blame your problems on, and people like that better than confronting real causes of issues or questioning their own biases.
@WWTH
And somehow right wing media will spin this to claim Democrats are the problem.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@naglfar

I’ve noticed that too. I have many family members whom I love dearly that are trump supports and it really breaks my heart. It also really annoys me because anytime we are together for a family thing they always have to talk about how great trump is and how awful the Democrats are for bad mouthing him. Once I had to point out that people literlay hung up black manicans dressed up like Obama when he was president. Or that people in the political world would say that the first lady looks like a monkey. Apparently they all seemed to forgot about that. Once we were ending prayer before we could eat and my uncle literlay threw in “please bless the president and his family” and I’m sitting here thinking can we please keep that racist orange with a bad hair cut out of our prayers please. God scratch that out, that’s not apart of my prayer. If your gonna help anyone help the people he’s got in cages right now, or any of his rape victims.

Really makes me sick how they can turn an eye to all the things he done but then talk about how bad democrats are because they call him out on the bullshit he does.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Lainy
I’m lucky in that my immediate family and most of the relatives I see regularly are liberal, but like anyone else I do have a few old relatives who are conservative as anything. One in particular, who will remain unnamed, has broken off all contact with my side of the family because we’re Democrats. Yet somehow we’re the bad guys…
I was always told growing up that nobody thinks they’re the villain, but I don’t understand how anyone to the right of center now can look around and think they’re not in the wrong. And then claim Democrats are in the wrong.

Then there’s the whole conservative persecution complex, which really annoys me. It seems especially prevalent in evangelical Christian conservatives, but it exists in others too. They like to play the victim and claim they’re speaking truth to power, when they are the power and screaming lies. Then turn around and say the other side is playing the victim.
Conservatives: “Feminists/BLM/Antifa/etc are playing the victim to get money!”
Also conservatives: “I’m being genocided in my own country where I’m the majority! Aah! I’m the victim! Send help!”

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@Naglfar

That seems to be how it is. Tbh, my family that is the trump supporters, they haven’t even met my fiancé yet. Being active duty will do that to you, but I am really worried how they will react to meeting him. I’ve never seen them as racist, But I use to think they would never support an idiot like trump. Especially my aunt. So I am worried how they will react when a bring Latino men there and I’m like “hey this is the guy I will marry and have my family with” I’m not even out to any of them except my brother and parents about being bi. My aunt has stated many times as I grew up that what color you are doesn’t matter, but the kind of person you are. I guess that will be put to the test when they finally meet him. I love them, and I don’t want to choose between family and the person I love. But I will be damned if I let anyone disrespect him or be cruel to him because any of them buy into the conservative crap.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

I have (close) relatives who would like me to know that they are being discriminated against, because they are Catholic.

And while it is true that there is a lot of anti-religious sentiment around, but there is a difference between “you shouldn’t be able to marry/be recognised as your gender identity/hate the sin not the sinner (just be alone and unhappy your whole life <3)" and "holy shoot look at the involvement of the catholic church in the residential school system/pediphile priests/being general shits towards historically oppressed groups".

I vividly remember that they didn't want to discuss LGBTQ+ stuff with me, because I would be "intolerant" of their beliefs.

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It was lucky I wasn't drinking anything, there would have been a HUGE spit take. And it's also lucky I don't typically break things when I'm angry, because my monitor might not have survived…

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@Rhuu

The meme made me laugh. That fit so perfectly there.

ObSidJag
ObSidJag
1 year ago

Going to have to join the Family Dysfunction train on this one. The tRumper in my family is my mother though she’s not exactly a frothing at the mouth True Believer (thank the deity of my choice).

She wasn’t sold on him completely–just liked the lies that flew out of his mouth.

Here’s the kicker: she’s been married to a Mexican-American man for 59 years–my father.

Yes, my brother and I are what they used to call “half-breeds” (quick, someone call Cher), but you’d never know it to look at us. In other words, we can “pass.”

And, yes, I’m rolling my eyes so hard right now, I can see my own hair follicles.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Lainy, Rhuu
Even self-identified liberals often have some issues, especially older folks. Every discussion I try to have about LGBTQIPAN+ stuff devolves into them giving some strange sort of rant about “the children who are being forced to transition” (?) or how “there’s too many genders these days” (?!). I’m currently going through some gender identity issues myself and it doesn’t help that I can’t talk to anyone in my family about it. I sort of started talking when I visited my mother once, but my mother took it so poorly when I brought up they/them pronouns that we just try to pretend that it didn’t happen. Sort of a don’t ask, don’t tell policy.
It’s not just LGBTQIPAN+ stuff either. My grandmother is someone whom I used to think of as tolerant and who votes Democratic, but she has more recently said some kind of racist stuff about undocumented immigrants (like asking “but why do they get in free when everyone else waits in line?”). I’d think she’d have more respect, seeing as both of her parents were immigrants from Eastern Europe.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

@Lainy – I googled ‘so much for the tolerant left animated gif’, and while that one isn’t animated, it was WELL worth it haha.

@ObSidJag – I don’t talk to my mother about pipelines or indigenous issues, she has Opinions and tells me that I obviously can’t let it go, and am convinced I am right.

This is in reference to when I say “hey maybe we shouldn’t be continuing to base a province’s economy on the THING THAT WE HAVE TWELVE YEARS TO FIX. (you have GRANDKIDS don’t you want them to be able to BREATHE”) The last bit hasn’t been out loud yet, but SOME DAYS.

@Naglfar – Good luck figuring yourself out, it’s hard. Sorry your mom didn’t really get it. Are you still using ‘they/them’?

@all – many well wishes for those who are dealing with strife within family/friends/groups. It’s a tough time.