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Incel creep: “A woman getting angry because her husband “””raped””” her is like a dog getting mad that its owner pet him”

What did that incel just say?

By David Futrelle

Add “marital rape” to the long list of things that incels don’t — or won’t — understand.

Yesterday, a prolific Incels.co commenter called Vermilioncore offered his take on this issue that directly affects roughly zero percent of all incels.

Lots of women claim that they are raped by their husbands but that’s just not possible.

Not a promising start.

How are you going to be raped by the man you are supposed to be fucking 24/7?

I often wonder if particular incels have ever even spoken to a woman they’re not related to; in this case I wonder if Vermilioncore has ever met a married person.

It’s impossible for a wife to be raped by her husband. He has permission to have sex with her because they are married. Even if she’s sleeping, she shouldn’t get mad if her husband starts fucking her in the middle of the night. 

Somehow I can’t imagine Vermilioncore being too happy if someone penetrated him while he was sleeping, even if he were married to them.

A woman getting angry because her husband “””raped””” her is like a dog getting mad that its owner pet him.

I’m pretty sure even dogs wouldn’t agree with him on this one.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Cat Mara
Doesn’t surprise me. Libertarians want there to be no laws for themselves, so they obviously don’t like age of consent laws.
Not to mention the fact that Ted Nugent is one of them and he literally wrote hit songs about sex with minors. In addition, of course, to raping Courtney Love. When she was 12.

The 3D printed gun fiasco genuinely scared me. 3D printers are pretty easy to get, so if someone could make guns with one, those guns wouldn’t trip a metal detector, would be easy to conceal, and could be bought and traded without a license or background check.

Sort of related rant:
The first libertarian I met was in high school. My Spanish teacher missed a bunch of classes and we had this substitute who was very vocal about his views. Every other sentence was about how awful Barack Obama was, or how socialism is Nazism, or that liberal views were un-American, or promoting some batshit conspiracy theory like that the moon landing was faked or that Hitler escaped to Argentina. I’m generally very vocal in debating such beliefs, but because this guy was so annoying and I just wanted him to shut up, I just nodded and muttered agreement. Of course, he was able to convince half of my 9th grade class that the moon landing was faked, so for the next few months I was embroiled in constant arguments with students trying to explain that the moon landing was real. The substitute also threatened to run for Congress in my district, a plan that he thankfully never followed through with (and wouldn’t have won anyway, as I live in a very blue district).
Maybe some libertarians aren’t like that, but all the libertarians I’ve encountered behaved sort of like that, if a little less annoying, and a big red flag for me anywhere is when someone identifies as libertarian. Especially since now, most white nationalists are libertarians.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
1 year ago

@Cat Mara,

What th…!?! The ‘that babe is HAWT!!! pantpantpant / that…person is THE ugliest woman EVAR!!!’ ones were’t really a surprise to read; those are a dime a dozen at this point.

But openly speculating about Claire’s ‘eternally renewable virginity’ and how that will turn her into a hawt lesbian in a Heroes review, then saying the show creators are ‘sick’ over that? Uhm, dude, a review that’s supposed to be describing what the show was about is not the place to go into that tangent. Also, don’t think virginity works like that….

And the Real Person Slashfic that was passed off as a review of Blade 2…uuuuuuuhhhhhh…. Must be nice to do stuff like that when you own the site it’s published on, because otherwise….bleh to the nth power.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Naglfar, Dalillama, Garnetstar

Happens in veterinary medicine too. My sister did a 48 hour shift when she was in vet clinics, and routinely 20 hour shifts with 4 hours to sleep and eat. There is absolutely no reason for it except a culture of “well, it happened to me, so now it is going to happen to everyone under me as well or they are all pussies”. I use that gendered term specifically because all the high-ranking positions at vet schools are occupied by men, even though the field is vastly female-dominated.

I did think they had outlawed that in human medicine though, because of the harm to patients?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Big Titty Demon
I would hope that it should be outlawed in all fields. It seems very dangerous to have your life in the hands of someone who hasn’t slept in 36+ hours. Another reason I would suspect that it has persisted is that in a number of countries, there is a varying degree of fetishization of work and a distaste for down time or relaxation. This has other detrimental effects that I’ve noticed as well, so I should hope that it will change in the future.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Grimm Brothers: Some of these tales we have collected are quite disturbing.

Hans: Hold my beer!

The Grim Brothers vs. Hardcore Andersen

Brandy
Brandy
1 year ago

That was just the best day. Thanks for the well-wishes.

dashapants
dashapants
1 year ago

Heh. It’s not all bad. Hans was certainly very socially awkward (just ask Dickens) and conflicted about sexuality in general (it’s sinful!) and in his own case (sort of bi-romantic asexual), but he did write many beautiful and insightful stories and wanted to shine a light on the experiences of people living in poverty. It’s a mixed bag.

Garnetstar
Garnetstar
1 year ago

@Naglfar, Dalillama, and Big Titty Demon,

I agree, it’s a dreadful policy. But, in medicine, it’s a cheap source of indentured labor to staff hospitals. They’d have to pay more for doctors to take night shifts, etc., so this goes under the heading of “training”.

I hope that they’re ameliorating this at least a bit, for the safety of all, including animals in vet hospitals.

Robert
Robert
1 year ago

Naglfar – contemporary American libertarians remind me of a passage in “The Man Who Was Thursday”, about a conspiracy of wealthy anarchists: ‘. . . the poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all.’

(This is from memory, so not an exact quote)

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Katamount

I saw Scary Stories yesterday. It was… decent. I think they did about as well as they could when “adapting” a bunch of short stories into a single narrative.

One thing that flummoxed me was that I didn’t see Gammel credited anywhere. Not only was his art the main reason the books became so infamous, the creature and credits designs referenced his work VERY heavily.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Cat Mara

Oh my lord those reviews… Knowles definitely takes the cake with his drawn-out, detailed musing on Claire having a healing factor and then declaring “the people behind this show are sick.” Projection much?

And the sexualization of underage actresses… geez, and I felt dirty last night because I thought Zoe Colletti in Scary Stories had really pretty freckles and later learned she was 16 during filming. I wasn’t posting lengthy masturbatory fantasies in the guise of film criticism.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

Brandy,

Glad it went well!

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Brandy
Glad yo hear it!

@Naglfar

The 3D printed gun fiasco genuinely scared me. 3D printers are pretty easy to get, so if someone could make guns with one, those guns wouldn’t trip a metal detector, would be easy to conceal, and could be bought and traded without a license or background check.

It didn’t worry me because I remember the last ‘plastic gun’ panic, back in… the early 90s, I think? There was a bunch of media panic then too, but there was never any such gun, just one that had more plastic bits than was usual. It’s quite impossible to make a usable firearm out of plastic, or indeed any material that isn’t a metal at least as hard as good steel. Tungsten, titatium, iridium, you could make a gun outta those if you really wanted to, but not plastic.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ dali

There was a bunch of media panic

Yeah, over the Glock 17; even though it was 90% steel; just had a few plastic bits on the grip.

The fuss was that, in a test of airport security, the screeners didn’t spot it. But they also failed to spot just about every other weapon they used.

Now the X-Ray machines randomly superimpose weapons over luggage images; and if they don’t spot it then it’s a disciplinary offence.

Talonknife
Talonknife
1 year ago

@Naglfar

That was kind of my thought when I decided to reread some of the original version of fairytales. Those stories are usually really creepy, and I would never read them to a child.

TBF, that was kind of the point of them. They weren’t meant to be cutesy entertainment like they are today. The original moral of most fairy tales was “STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THE WOODS.”

MICHAEL LONG
MICHAEL LONG
1 year ago

….you are supposed to be fucking 24/7…

Incel who spends too much time on Incel forums and pornhub is baffled by the concepts of eating and sleep.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Incel who spends too much time on Incel forums and pornhub is baffled by the concepts of eating and sleep.

I mean you can fuck while eating. I’ve consumed a lot of hard candies this way. Anything is possible if you believe! Wade Wilson and Vanessa ate like a whole thanks giving dinner while doing that.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Naglfar, @Dalillama, @Alan: I felt the 3D-printed gun was blown out of proportion (apart from the usual, “here is a new technology, let’s write fear-mongering articles about it” stuff that’s par for the course for certain elements of the media) because, coming from a country where firearms are tightly controlled, a gun– plastic or otherwise– is not much use to you if you can’t get the bullets to put in it¹. Maybe it’s different in the States where it’s easier to get one’s hands on ammunition but then, why not get a regular gun? Invest in one that’s not likely to explode on you if you try to use it.

I’m being slightly facetious here; I know part of the panic was if these weapons were used in crimes, they’d be harder to trace; also, they circumvent what few controls the US Government has on the tracking of the receivers in guns. But, at the end of the day, most 3D printers use a plastic material that was never intended to contain the kind of pressures one sees when a bullet fires. There are 3D printers that print in metal, but they are much rarer and more expensive… and more akin to a machine tool like a milling machine. In which case, why isn’t everyone with a machine shop under suspicion of crafting clandestine firearms? Oh, I know, it’s because that’s not ZOMG NEW TECH WE FEER IT 🙄

¹ Which always makes me side-eye Second Amendment types who claim that possessing a gun “frees” them from tyranny. My dude, you’re not “free”: now you’re at the mercy of the guy who sells you the bullets. Unless you’re up to casting your own and grinding your own black powder. Good luck with that, I’ll just be over… … … here. (I happen to live near a village in Dublin that was the site of a large gunpowder mill. Several of them, in fact, over the centuries; just not all at the same time 😉. There’s even a restaurant commemorating that fact)

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

To follow up on my previous post: if a person is intent on mayhem, that they can fabricate an unreliable one-shot plastic gun is the least of anyone’s worries. What’s stopping them building an IED, for example? I’m old enough to remember The Troubles and being evacuated from school on numerous occasions because someone phoned in a bomb threat. That they always turned out to be some arsehole making a prank call was neither here nor there (and I’m sure there were plenty of people my age from Northern Ireland where it turned out not to be a prank).

Me, worried about Brexit and the possible disintegration of the Good Friday Agreement? What put that thought in your head? ☹️

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Allandrel:

Oh my lord those reviews… Knowles definitely takes the cake with his drawn-out, detailed musing on Claire having a healing factor and then declaring “the people behind this show are sick.” Projection much?

I know, right? Hayden Panettiere, who played Claire Bennett on Heroes was and is an attractive woman, but really, whose mind goes there?! There’s a scene in that show that sticks with me (spoilers!) where Claire wakes up after an accident to find that while she was unconscious, she was assumed to be dead and had an autopsy performed on her. And has to squeeze her own bisected ribcage back shut (goes to sit in a corner for a while). I have to hand it to Knowles, he quite possibly grossed me out more than that scene did. Mind you, he was probably watching that one going, “darn, I can’t quite see her tiddies!” 🙄

Hypatia's Daughter
Hypatia's Daughter
1 year ago

Several years ago, I met a man at a Georgia state fair who was pushing membership for the Libertarian Party. I told him he was wasting his time, as I wasn’t an American citizen & couldn’t vote. (I was a Canadian then; I got American citizenship in 2016 in time to vote for Hillary. I tried to save you, America. I truly did.)
His response was “Then you SHOULD support the Libertarian Party because a basic principle of the Party is open immigration.” Because Libertarianism, as an economic & political philosophy, advocates for free movement of land, labor & capital to where it is prioritized by free market demand.
Now, this is a pretty, pie-in-the-sky philosophy in our current economic & political situation (national borders & vast economic inequalities skew the incentives for movement), so it is not currently realistic.
But the point is that someone who CLAIMS to be a Libertarian but is anti-immigrant and racist to boot, is a lying, ignorant fucker who is cloaking himself in a thin veneer of Libertarianism to rationalise his personal philosophy of “Rights for me, but not for thee.”
I meet a lot of so-called Libertarians and not one has the intellectual integrity of the guy at the fair. It’s been said that Libertarians are just Repubs who want to “smoke dope & get laid”. Naw, most are worse. They are Repubs who want to give a free ride to the the crimes & excesses of the rich & powerful, hoping that one day, they, too, will be in their ranks and getting the same free ride.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Cat Mara

And that’s not getting into the “that’s not how the hymen/vaginal corona even works” aspect of Knowles’ creepfest.

So glad I never checked out that guy’s site back when he was influential.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Cat Mara

There are 3D printers that print in metal, but they are much rarer and more expensive… and more akin to a machine tool like a milling machine.

The metal they print in isn’t near up to firearms strength anyway. You can’t even make decent hand tools that way yet.

In which case, why isn’t everyone with a machine shop under suspicion of crafting clandestine firearms? Oh, I know, it’s because that’s not ZOMG NEW TECH WE FEER IT 🙄

Indeed, anyone with a machine shop and the skills to use it can make a much better gun, designs for which have been easily available since WWII.

Unless you’re up to casting your own and grinding your own black powder.

Modern guns use nitro powders, which are a bit more complicated to make and probably the biggest bottleneck for homemade guns. Anyone with the gear to make a gun can make bullet casings and molds, but the powder needs a reliable supply of nitric acid, which is a right pain to make at home.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
1 year ago

@Brandy

So pleased to hear it!

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Dalillama: I remember someone telling me that one of the reasons for the abiding popularity of the AK-47 worldwide was that being how it was made from stamped parts, it could be made in quantity with fairly rudimentary tools if you had the necessary forms. So making a fuss about 3D printers is completely ridiculous.

Regarding nitro compounds, a friend of mine from university got a job with a waste-disposal company after he graduated. One day, they were contacted by the police asking if they could come dispose of something they had found at a crime scene and could they hurry, please, because it was eating its way out of the container it was in in their fume hood? Near as they could tell, it was some kind of nitrating compound used for explosive manufacture, which probably meant the criminals were linked to a dissident Republican group of some kind. Good times.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ dali

anyone with a machine shop and the skills to use it can make a much better gun

Indeed. An acquaintance of mine made a hobby of it. He mainly reactivated old guns or replicas; but he did build a few from scratch. Really you only need a lathe and a bit of light engineering knowledge.

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/7992337.gun-fantatic-jailed-for-a-year/

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ cat mara

A hairdresser friend once asked me to collect some supplies. It was from this place. It took some finding because it’s on a farm. They also sell farming supplies.

“Hang on; would you sell someone a sack of nitrate based fertiliser and a tub of peroxide?”

“Of course”

Well, that’s reassuring to know.

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Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

@ Cat Mara

Definitely sounds like nitrating mixture. Not going to go into details as the Law of Careful Editing applies, but it’s nasty stuff and considering what it’s used to make, whoever had been employing it would have been lucky not to blow themselves up. (We were antisocial little buggers – in our own way – at my high school.)

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
1 year ago

About the ‘review’ talking about Claire’s alleged renewable virginity: there is indeed something worse that may have come from that little speculation. A couple of folks in the comments were talking about a possible connection between this and a vampire character on the show True Blood (nick?)named the Baby Vampire*. Evidently part of this character’s power set read like the writers read Knowles’ ‘Heroes’ review and decided that that really was a logical extension of a female virgin having Wolverine-level healing powers.

So yeah, evidently there really is a female character running around in a relatively recent SF/F fandom that can never have non-painful sex with a guy because of her healing factor. D: Because heaven forbid a feeeeemale get a cool and useful ability without it costing her something major. >.<

*I know almost next to nothing about who-all is in this show, so I have no clue who there has that nickname. Or name, as the case may be.

Bina
1 year ago

How are you going to be raped by the man you are supposed to be fucking 24/7?

Simple: by being forced into it even when you don’t want to do it.

And on a related note: How the hell are you supposed to be fucking anyone “24/7”? Wouldn’t both of your respective sets of bits get awfully tired? And just when would you eat, sleep, use the bathroom, or work at your job?

vaiyt
vaiyt
1 year ago

Incels speaking authoritatively about how relationships they never had work.

That’s about on par with priests lecturing about sexuality.