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Malaysian politician proposes, then retracts, law to prevent men from being “seduced” into raping women

How men work, according to one Malaysian MP

By David Futrelle

On Wednesday, a Malaysian member of parliament proposed a new kind of “Sexual Harassment Act” to help protect men from being “seduced” into raping or otherwise molesting women and girls wearing too-sexy clothes.

“I propose to the minister that we create a ‘sexual harassment act’ to protect men against the demeanor, words and clothing of women,”
Mohamad Imran Abd Hamid told the Malaysian parliament.

which can cause them to be seduced to a point where they commit acts such as incest, rape, molestation, pornography (sic) and others,

Such a law, he said, would ensure that “the men in this country are safe, and the country is peaceful.”

The proposal didn’t go over well, with Mohd Imran’s own party, the ruling Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR), rejecting it outright. And so, on Thursday, Mohd Imran apologized for hurting “the feelings of many women and also men, who feel insulted” and retracted his proposal.

Unfortunately the central assumption behind his proposal — that women are “asking for it” if they behave in certain ways or wear certain clothes — is shared by innumerable men (and quite a few women) around the world.

It’s especially widespread among men of the manosphere, who regularly rail against the alleged seductive power of women wearing yoga pants or short shorts as well as outfits that show a bit of shoulder. (Or even just arm.) Men’s Rights granddaddy Warren Farrell has been warning men for decades about the alleged “miniskirt power” and “cleavage power” of young women.

Meanwhile, our old pal enemy Roosh V, the rapey-pickup-guru-turned-raging-fundamentalist-Christian took to Twitter yesterday to warn against another deadly seductive threat to men: women wearing pants.

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/1157077072990396416

Stay safe, men! Emulate the folks in Bird Box and wear a blindfold at all times every time you leave the house.

H/T — to Alan Robertshaw for the story and @Zemyla for the Roosh tweet

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Naglfar
Naglfar
2 years ago

Despite his wearing of pants that “highlight his legs, curves, and rear end,” I have never for an instant had any desire towards Roosh. It’s probably because he is an absolutely repulsive person, and pants that accentuate legs can’t fix that.

New law for Malaysia: Anyone who thinks this is how assault works should not be allowed anywhere near elected office.

Kat
Kat
2 years ago

If I was a man I’d be insulted that some think I cant control myself when I see a woman in yoga pants or what have you. It speaks very poorly for men, and if they lack that much control perhaps women should be running things instead.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 years ago

@Kat
The problem is, many men do seem to lack the ability to control themselves. I look forward to when robots that can control themselves take over.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

It’s impossible for a woman to wear pants (jeans, yoga pants, dress pants, leggings, dungarees, etc) without sexualizing her body, since they highlight her legs, curves, and rear end.

#notallpants

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Bina
2 years ago

Since when do men need to be protected from their own damn actions???

Also: Roosh, clearly, has never heard of upskirting. Something I specifically wear pants to avoid.

OMEGALUL
OMEGALUL
2 years ago

It has been said before, but I feel the need to repeat that the sexist notion that “men can’t control themselves”, ironically, is super anti-male. And wrong too.

Edit to add: unfortunately, that doesn’t change the fact that many man don’t seem capable of self control. Like the POTUS, for example.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

@ Kat:

If I was a man I’d be insulted that some think I cant control myself when I see a woman in yoga pants or what have you.

I have voiced that argument in conversations with my fellow fellows… and my daddy raised me to be responsible for my actions.

It speaks very poorly for men, and if they lack that much control perhaps women should be running things instead.

We are NOT at the mercy of our urges… we are not cockroaches. Speaking for myself, of course — obviously some of us ARE cockroaches.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
2 years ago

@Moggie

I’m getting on board the #notallpants train:

EDIT: Ok, I can’t embed images… what gives? Here’s the link: http://www.mdhs.org/costumeblog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/1920s-Women-jodhpurs.jpg

SECOND EDIT: Ok… no html works, but html image tagging does not work?? I am very confused.

Xenophile
Xenophile
2 years ago

@OMEGALUL

I posit that doing it because you think you can get away with it is not the same as “being unable to control yourself.”

Which is why this is a bullshit concept anyway. If men really had that little control over visually-prompted sexual urges they’d be committing assault constantly in churches, supermarkets, in front of police stations. Yet mysteriously, most assaults involve some planning and a lack of witnesses. Good men deserve no such censure on their intelligence and self-control; bad men deserve no such excuse.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
2 years ago

Yeah, ‘cannot control’ is more accurately ‘I don’t WANNA!!!!!!’

Kimstu
Kimstu
2 years ago

In many societies, including the Iranian culture that RooshV boasts of his “Aryan” descent from, divided-leg garments are traditional female garb. And although they generally weren’t tightly fitted through the torso and thigh in the pre-spandex era, they were often drapey and lightweight enough to definitely permit body-sexualizing purposes.

Another vote for “men just need to control their damn selves”.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

If I was a man I’d be insulted that some think I cant control myself when I see a woman in yoga pants or what have you.

I have voiced that argument in conversations with my fellow fellows… and my daddy raised me to be responsible for my actions.

Usually tell them to have some fucking pride.

Probably changes no minds, but it shuts them up about it, at least.

Anonymous
Anonymous
2 years ago

If he really wanted to protect men from being seduced or whatever, he could have just proposed that they all have chastity belts installed or something. Or maybe just blinding, then they wouldn’t have to worry about seeing sexy clothing ever again.

Ellesar
Ellesar
2 years ago

As crappy as that Malaysian MP is I am pleased to hear that he was shut down so completely.

As a young woman I wore skirts/ dresses (just below the knee) less and less because of the increased attention I got when I did. It was unbearable. Jeans were worn tight in the 80s, but I got so much less harassment when I wore them.

Roosh the arsehole wrong again.

Talonknife
Talonknife
2 years ago

I always think it’s funny when they complain about pants being too sexualizing because I personally find skirts to be way sexier than pants. Of course, I also don’t go around sexually assaulting every person I see in a skirt because there’s more to human brain function than just our id.

Actually, I’m starting to notice a pattern here of my opinions on what’s attractive being the exact opposite of the manosphere’s; see tattoos and dyed hair.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

News flash to Roosh,

A pair of well fitting pants can absolutely emphasize a man’s ass.

Possible TMI ahead,

In fact one of my favorite things is when a man I find attractive is wearing pants that are neither too tight or too baggy and he leans forward just enough for the butt shape to pop into visibility.

Just because Roosh doesn’t view pants as sexual on men, doesn’t mean that other people don’t.

Of course, I find a hot guy in a kilt sexy too, so I guess by misogylogic, no matter how men dress, they’re sexually harassing me.

BlueNinja
BlueNinja
2 years ago

To all the men who believe in personal responsibly and self control as a common innate trait of a normal human being and live as a good example to their kids and/or others around them… thank you.

For the rest who can’t… yeah, I vote for the blindfolds. The easiest and cheapest answer, based on the one who actually has the problem, and will serve as a mark for other people to steer clear.

OMEGALUL
OMEGALUL
2 years ago

@Xenophile

That is a great point, actually. I stand corrected.

Xenophile
Xenophile
2 years ago

@OMEGALUL 🙂

@BlueNinja: I volunteer to apply male chastity devices to each uncontrolled penis. Obviously I can’t be doing it for personal gratification, because women don’t enjoy sex and therefore cannot have sexual feelings about looking at penises. My motivation is purely altruistic.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

I always find it fascinating how these people seem to extrapolate from a teeny-tiny kernel of truth and then build it into this nonsense.

It’s true that humans (not just men, I assume) can’t control noticing things they find attractive. When something attractive comes into view, you can’t keep your eyes from that initial flicker towards it.

And yes, when I’m out walking, as I’m attracted to women (well, to female-shaped bodies), when an attractive woman comes into view, my eyes do flicker towards her. And yes, if she’s wearing yoga pants and has a nice ass, my eyes will probably flicker towards it, and my brain will go something along the lines of “Ooh, nice.” I don’t think that’s something I can stop.

I also can’t stop myself from noticing a nice sunset. The difference is that while there’s every chance I’ll stop to admire the sunset for a bit, I’m not going to stop and admire the woman, because creepy. Having noticed her, I’m not going to stare at her. Same reason. Guess what? After that immediate eye-flicker, self-control takes over. It’s a thing!

Seriously, if self-control doesn’t exist, how is it that these men aren’t immediately jumping on these underdressed women and raping them right then and there in the street?

Allandrel
Allandrel
2 years ago

The only thing that makes me lose control is seeing a guinea pig, at which point my language abilities devolve into “Oooza booful piggie? You iz! You is so kyoot and fwuffy! I’ll eat you up I love you so!”

Sillabub
Sillabub
2 years ago

… did he see this clip from an old Beavis and Butthead episode and think it was a documentary…?

Nequam
Nequam
2 years ago

Wow, that didn’t work out at all well. Pity. It’s Junji Ito’s take on cuteness proximity, which is all you need to know.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Guinea pigs?

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Love em! I wish I could adopt one. But I fear my cat would dedicate her life to trying to hunt it. I don’t think I can provide a safe home.

galanx
galanx
2 years ago

When you think about it, pants on women and skirts on men seem to be more in line with anatomy.
And bicycles- as Gallagher once said, “does it make sense to you that the ones with the balls get the bar?”

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

And bicycles- as Gallagher once said, “does it make sense to you that the ones with the balls get the bar?”

Because of the gendering of pants vs skirts, in fact. The low bar is made so that you can ride a bike in a skirt and step through the bar to mount, thus not flashing your undies.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

“If life made sense, men would ride sidesaddle”.

It’s fascinating, the belief that harassment can be passive. That just by existing within a man’s field of sight, women are violating them in a way that is the equivalent of rape. They never seem to acknowledge their role in actively fantasizing about the woman, who is likely to be completely unaware of their reaction to her.

The difference is that real harassers are very aware of what they’re doing.

@Moggie

#notallpants

Hammer pants are also nofap pants, because u can’t touch this.

Zemyla
Zemyla
2 years ago

You know, Jesus talked about men who couldn’t control their urges and were saying that the women were tempting them into sin based on how hot they were.

Matthew 5:29:

If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Things Come Undone
Things Come Undone
2 years ago

Meanwhile, our old pal enemy Roosh V, the rapey-pickup-guru-turned-raging-fundamentalist-Christian took to Twitter yesterday to warn against another deadly seductive threat to men: women wearing pants.

This comment is more about preserving gender norms Roosh V is comfortable with, skirts show more skin than pants unless they are almost to the floor plus they are much easier to lift up so if a Man can’t control himself…
Heck who is he kidding if a skirt causes you to lose control you should not be out on the street.
Its ok to be tempted but removing all temptation won’t remove the desire to be tempted, you have to show some control of yourself as an example to others.
Asking others to control themselves because you can’t control yourself is silly.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

@Buttercup:

Hammer pants are also nofap pants, because u can’t touch this.

Stop!

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
2 years ago

My partner’s tight fitting cargo pants very much emphasised his thighs and rear. They recently and irretrievably bit the dust.

I bought him a replacement pair, and the cut didn’t fully sexualise his body.

I’m still shopping.

Allandrel
Allandrel
2 years ago

Confession time:

I did, in fact, once lose control at the sight of attractively dressed women. I lost control of my car.

During college, I was leaving campus when I passed by three Japanese exchange students who were wearing miniskirts. I was sufficiently Distracted By The Sexy that one of my wheels went up onto the curb, and I barely stopped in time to avoid colliding with a lamp post.

The “best” part, of course, was that the young women not only noticed, but clearly realized exactly why that white doofus had nearly wrecked his car, as they were looking at me and laughing (with one hand in front of the mouth, as many young Japanese women do).

I’m sure this is a much funnier story for them to tell than it is for me. In my defense, 20-year-old me was a hormonal idiot.

But the only conclusion I reached from this was “holy crap, I am a hormonal idiot,” not “evil women are causing traffic accidents by wearing miniskirts!” because even then I wasn’t that much of an idiot.

Karalora
Karalora
2 years ago

It’s not that women’s pants are inherently more body-emphasizing than men’s pants. It’s that women’s bodies are considered inherently more sexual than men’s bodies. Patriarchs don’t care if you can see the shape of a man’s butt through his pants, because it’s just a butt. A woman’s butt, though? That’s SEX on display, how indecent!

Allandrel
Allandrel
2 years ago

@Nequam

Good Gosh, Junji Ito makes everything horrifying.

@weirwoodtreehugger

Piggies really are the best. They have very distinct personalities, too.

rv97
rv97
2 years ago

Roosh and people like him just need to go to jail for LIFE. No more gender policing and no more misogyny!

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 years ago

@rv97
Roosh should be in jail right now. He has raped at least 1 woman (and likely more) and yet, like 99.4% of rapists, will never even face trial.

rv97
rv97
2 years ago

@Naglfar
I hate this world. Only misogynist social conservatives and corporate scum seem to have any power in it.

Snowberry
Snowberry
2 years ago

Straight men must be allowed to be out of control.

Everyone else must not be allowed to be out of control.

Everyone else is also tasked with not letting straight men be out of control, but punished for being successful, because it prevents them from being out of control. And also punished for failing to do so, and double punished for trying and failing.

Such is patriarchy.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

@rv97: Don’t forget white supremacists. 🙁

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
2 years ago

@Allandrel:

That’s from a recent Junji Ito manga I’ve seen excerpts from, and wouldn’t mind finding a copy of, which is just autobiographical domestic comedy about Ito, his fiancee Ako, and their cats, and nothing horrifying ever actually happens, but you keep expecting it to, because of his drawing style.

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Tovius
2 years ago

@Moon Custafer
What a nice skull cat!

rv97
rv97
2 years ago

Can I take some time to discuss some unrelate4d things here? I am concerned about how Malaysia, like possibly many other Muslim-majority countries, have a very negative attitude towards the LGBT community and gender non-conformity. Homosexual acts are illegal, as is probably “men trying to pass themselves as women”. Apparently, this and their supposed death for their acts is all outlined in the Qur’an and is to be strictly adhered to as everything else on it. This gives me concern about the plight of LGBT individuals who consider themselves Muslims or LGBT individuals worldwide. Some also consider leaving Islam. I feel like that the only Muslims (and anyone who considers themselves religious for that matter) who are LGBT and feminist positive or at least tolerant mostly live in the west.

I am quite passionate about this because it can target lesbians and anyone born female too, even though it’s generally been used against gay men and MtF transgender individuals (generally, those assigned male at birth). I do genuinely think that lesbians are better than straight women because I feel like that lesbians’ romantic and/or sexual inclination towards women protects them from being trapped in abusive relationships, considering how men tend to be rather abusive in my opinion. Pressure to conform to gender norms is also why I hate the mainstream religions and their institutions and why I hate society and the world as a whole.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

@rv97
Islamophobia is not prettier when it takes the form of concern trolling.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

I do genuinely think that lesbians are better than straight women because I feel like that lesbians’ romantic and/or sexual inclination towards women protects them from being trapped in abusive relationships, considering how men tend to be rather abusive in my opinion

This is a dangerous way of thinking and it traps lesbians into abusive relationships. It makes people diminish the pain that lesbian in abusive relationships go through. It protects them from nothing as abusers come in both genders. This is a horrible thought to have and it hurts people. I advise you to chase your way of thinking. Gay women rape other women (melanie Martinez) and get away with it. Gay women kill their partners (May Kieu) and you are erasing them with you bias.

rv97
rv97
2 years ago

@Dalillama
I don’t know. I do feel like that religion is playing a role in promoting homophobia, transphobia and gender policing even among cisgender individuals, although largely because of references of Lot and Leviticus.

I wouldn’t say that this issue is exclusive to Islam – I have beef with Orthodox Christianity and the Catholic Church too on this, even if their laws are different. I would genuinely appreciate it if you could elaborate as to the harms Islamophobia causes even if no one dies from it.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

I do genuinely think that lesbians are better than straight women because I feel like that lesbians’ romantic and/or sexual inclination towards women protects them from being trapped in abusive relationships, considering how men tend to be rather abusive in my opinion

This is a dangerous way of thinking and it traps lesbians into abusive relationships. It makes people diminish the pain that lesbian in abusive relationships go through. It protects them from nothing as abusers come in both genders. This is a horrible thought to have and it hurts people. I advise you to chase your way of thinking. Gay women rape other women (melanie Martinez) and get away with it. Gay women kill their partners (May Kieu) and you are erasing them with you bias.

rv97
rv97
2 years ago

@Lainy
For technical reasons, people would discourage you from doing quotes like that on this website.

Unfortunately, I admit this is something that’s gonna be hard for me to deal with. I feel like I’m doing this almost out of spite with the current status quo, which only benefits rich, white, religious (those who subscribe to repressive doctrines in regards to gender, sexuality and how one should carry out their lives) and heterosexual able-bodied men.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

@rv97

For technical reasons, people would discourage you from doing quotes like that on this website.

What the hell are you on about? Blockquotes are the preferred way of quoting things on this site. Something you’ve been told repeatedly, IIRC.

Unfortunately, I admit this is something that’s gonna be hard for me to deal with. I feel like I’m doing this almost out of spite with the current status quo, which only benefits rich, white, religious (those who subscribe to repressive doctrines in regards to gender, sexuality and how one should carry out their lives) and heterosexual able-bodied men.

What?

rv97
rv97
2 years ago

@Lainy

I will admit that I’m doing this out of spite with the current status quo, in a world that wants women to essentially be in house arrest to serve their husbands and children first (whether they like it or not, under doctrines established ) and that benefits only rich white men who are able-bodied, heterosexual and cisgender.

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