By David Futrelle
So I wrote up a nice long post tonight, filled with inadvertently hilarious if also somewhat disturbing tweets from a variety of far-right trolls, but for some reason Twitter doesn’t seem to be embedding tweets properly right now, at least on WordPress.
In the meantime, please make do with these thoughts on “front holes” — a.k.a. women — from a Men Going His Own way on Reddit.
Huh. I thought the standard timetable for young women today — at least according to the He Man Woman-Hater’s club of the manosphere — was cock-carousel-riding until age 30 or so, followed by the desperate search for a beta to glom onto in the early 30s. Now they have to get a ring on some poor beta by the time they graduate from college? At age 25?
Misogyny can be so confusing!
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It’s like people always wanted to go after someone for being female, POC, trans, etc but had to come up with a good excuse. Now, they have institutional support for joining in on a hate campaign and are so gleeful that they don’t need an excuse to revel in harming others.
Although the woman on the bus wasn’t just ranting. She was legit upset. Like, She was having a full on meltdown and it was kind of scary. She was almost in tears. The hate being spread really seems like it’s effective at getting people scared and then directing the fear at certain targets. And there’s nothing scarier to me than someone who is lashing out due to irrational fear.
@TimS
The correct response is always “Shut the fuck up, you disingenuous piece of shit.” What actually happened is never relevant to their bullshit, so it doesn’t matter at all what they’re basing ot on this time.
Too true, sadly. I actually credit @Rhuu’s post regarding apologies on another thread for getting me to re-evaluate what I was doing, specifically this bit:
What I meant was, we should not automatically presume that a person’s stand on sexual matters, no matter how regressive, stems from repressed secret desires of wanting to engage in the practice they are condemning.
I realize that by belaboring the point I may be coming off as “but what about their feelings?”, but honestly it’s just an expression of my personal preference that mockery be based on known actions and attitudes rather than presumptions.
We know that the poster sees women as something less than human, and that he believes that women are parasites preying upon “beta” men, presumably through the promise of sex. He obviously also believes that the age of 25 is the age at which a woman’s effectiveness at being said parasite is on the wane. And, yes, he is a hypocrite for dictating terms to a group that he claims to want to have nothing to do with. These are all horrifically disgusting points in and of themselves.
Isn’t that enough to mock him over, without having to additionally presume that he’s acting out of bitterness because he, and by extension all MGTOW (and incels, maybe?), can’t get a date with an under-25 woman?
wew lad
@Masculist Man
So David Futrelle is the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about?! MGTOW, along with the men’s rights movement, take many positions, many of them contradictory — not to mention the fact that Men Going Their Own Way can never seem to find their own way but instead hang around women to harass them (where are the cool hobbies we were promised that MGTOW would pursue and discuss!).
So what positions are you talking about? In what way are these positions justified?
Illegitimate? Dangerous? Kindly explain.
Who are these brave heroes? Who are these feminist monsters? What did they do that was either brave or monstrous?
Thank goodness someone is speaking up for men!
Buying cats in bulk? As far as I know, nobody who comments here is hoarding cats. Your joke is not only unfunny, it’s cruel. There’s nothing funny about treating cats as a bulk item. As for restraining orders against David Futrelle, no one is doing that. He writes a blog. If we don’t like it, we don’t have to read it. Or we can write a comment and say that we don’t like it and why. It’s as simple and and as rational as that.
Masculinist Man has quite a hate boner for AOC, as you can see if you click over to his blog. Yet another MGTOW obsessing over women.
@Masculist Migtroll:
So busy Going Your Own Way, you had to come here to tell it to us, followed by a sad effort at witticism? Bray-vo.
I would be devastated, but:
@Bina
I am in love with that graphic.
What happens if you secure what they might consider to be an alpha? Mine is coming home in 2 months and I’m counting down the days.
@Lainy
What happens? You have fun. Enjoy yourselves, both of you — September can’t come too soon! ♥♥♥
@Big Titty Demon:
It’s a stitchery template that’s apparently available for sale. If you do cross-stitch or needlepoint, it might be a fun project. (I’m strongly tempted myself!)
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Apropos WWTH’s comment re: Q-Anon invading real life, here’s a kind of horrifying example:
Even leaving murder out, though, I’ve been noticing a lot of worrisome instances of Q-adjacent redneck types in my area. The other day I was heading up one of our main streets here (I live in Southern Ontario, in one of the many bedroom communities outside Toronto) and I happened to pull in to an intersection behind a predictably crappy pickup truck with an Infowars.com bumper sticker. (I pulled a face at him. Couldn’t help it; I was just disgusted, after all the school-shooting shit that’s gone down, that ANYONE is still paying attention to Alex Fucking Jones.) The day of my driving exam, my instructor and I passed a property out in the boonies that had a huge “Rural Revolution” sign (“Government Back Off!”, etc.) out front. These guys are militant, they’re confused, they’re probably armed, and they’re popping out of the woodwork all over here like cockroaches.
If it’s like this in Canada already, I dread what I’d see in the States.
I regret any sense in which I was giving cover to death threats from right wing racists. I was attempting to discuss tactics in response to racist talking points, but I clearly did not do that as well as I should. I will try to be more careful going forward.
Taking as a given that debate never changes the participants’ minds, this is absolutely the right response for the unfortunate circumstance where you are having a one-on-one conversation with someone spouting this bullshit.
But debates can persuade the fence-sitters in the audience (eg online on social media). Politeness to the other side of the debate is not valuable in itself (fuck civility politics), but it can be useful tactic for persuading the audience. It is worthwhile only and exactly as much as it impacts the audience in a desired way.
In particular, I think there is value in assuming the audience doesn’t know as much about what happened as you do, so specifically targeting the factual predicates can be powerful. There is no point in debating their values, in part because their articulated values are plucked from socially common values and are harmful because of unstated values they don’t reveal in order to lure people in.
In the fantastical world where immigrants from Canada were 100% going to turn into rabid, unthinking werewolves, keeping them from crossing makes some sense. And if your response is to ask why the fuck I bring up such a ridiculous hypothetical, you are engaging in exactly the sort of challenging of facts that I am advocating.
Antifa is a valid and useful tactic in some circumstances, and other tactics fit other circumstances.
@Kat
Well, see, feminism was bred by women, and since gay marriage wasn’t a thing back then, its parents clearly weren’t married, so feminism is a bastard. And we all know that bastard children are a dire threat to civilization. QED.
@Bina
I’ve seen cars with Quebec plates bearing MAGA stickers. I still don’t get it.
@kat
Time likes to move slowly towards the end of our wait though. Its going to be a year since we both last physically saw each other and when he proposed. We’re finally going to make some wedding plans and go wedding dress shopping while he’s home. I’m super excited but this is all assuming we leave the bedroom much lol.
Illegitimate? Dangerous? Kindly explain.
It leads to the destruction of the family and due process rights for men. It has led to “Dear Colleague” which destroyed the due process rights of men on university and college campuses nationwide. It has led to the Metoo movement that has resulted in the persecution of innocent men yet no female sexual predators have been exposed and called to task. Asia Argento doesn’t count because she was outed by the media independent of Metoo. It has led to the rape shield laws that destroy the lives of men, guilty or not while it has protected female false accusers to the point of concealing their identities thus leaving them free to destroy the lives of other men. Not only that female false accusers are never charged with a crime which gives them license to falsely accuse other men.
Thank goodness someone is speaking up for men!
I’ll take that as a sincere compliment.
Masculinist Man has quite a hate boner for AOC, as you can see if you click over to his blog. Yet another MGTOW obsessing over women.
I concern myself with Congresswoman AOC because she is a lawmaker. I hold elected officials accountable. When AOC goes back to the private sector and becomes a private citizen again my interest in her will cease.
If you don’t care then why did you respond to my post?
Who are these feminist monsters?
They are listed here: https://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2010/02/feminist-quotes.html and here: https://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2011/10/feminist-quotes-2.html
The only rights for men that I’ve ever seen feminist get ride of was the right to rape your wife. Which is a good right to get ride of because no one should have that right.
Now ignoring the troll.
I would like your guys opinions. I like to watch cake boss and I saw this cool thing that one bride did where instead of flowers she did cupcake center pieces for her guest tables. Now my fiancé and I both come from very large families, with a lot of little kids in those families. Do you think it would be safer to just do traditional flowers instead of the cupcake idea because that could get messy with all the little ones.
@Garrulous Gimboid
Oh dear, you are. Do please try to write something that’s distinguishable from copypasta, old boy. Your little screed could’ve come verbatim from the Manboobz days, it’s really extraordinarily tedious.
Ah, “the destruction of the family.”
Has anyone who’s ever ranted about how teh gayz/teh jjjjjoooozzzz/teh commies/teh feminazis/etc are destroying the family ever set out the case for what’s so great about the family? I know they sidestep the question of dysfunctional families and argue that it’s better for an abused wife to stay with her abuser on the grounds that preserving the family should come before everything, but do they ever explain why?
@Rabid
I think most of it because they didn’t come from a dysfunctional families or they were never the one where the aggression was directed to.
I know they sidestep the question of dysfunctional families and argue that it’s better for an abused wife to stay with her abuser on the grounds that preserving the family should come before everything, but do they ever explain why?
We do address domestic violence. We acknowledge male on female domestic violence. We also address female on male domestic violence which is more frequent. Thanks to feminism society ignores female on male domestic violence.
Oh dear, you are. Do please try to write something that’s distinguishable from copypasta, old boy. Your little screed could’ve come verbatim from the Manboobz days, it’s really extraordinarily tedious.
We Hunted The Mammoth, Manboobz,still ran by the same guy.
Is this your refute? *shakes his head*
Since gay marriage wasn’t a thing back then
Domestic violence among gay men is lower than heterosexual couples while domestic violence in lesbian relationships is higher than that of gay men and heterosexual couples.
I’ve seen cars with Quebec plates bearing MAGA stickers. I still don’t get it.
They favor Trump over Trudeau. They want their next Prime Minister to have Trump-like qualities. They probably remember when Saudi Arabia told Canada to stuff it when it came to feminism. I doubt they are fans of feminism they probably didn’t like their country being pushed around. Then the Chinese reverse their lenient decision concerning a Canadian drug runner on trial in China by sentencing him to death. Under Trudeau’s foreign policy Canada has been pushed around by Saudi Arabia and China.
I’m wondering what innocent men were persecuted because of Me Too?
Weinstein? Cosby? Epstein? Trump?
@Rabbit
Well, I think we can guess their actual reason.
If the woman (and children) can’t leave an abusive man, then all the little tyrants get to live out their “head of the family” fantasies that patriarchal society promised them and that women’s rights are depriving them of. From incels to religious fundamentalists, this is what they want.
As for the excuses they’re giving, it’s usually that it’s best for the children to be raised by both biological parents. And no matter how many times it’s proven that growing up in abusive families is not good for anyone, they’ll just keep repeating and repeating and repeating it.
Alternatively (if there are no children in the picture) they will just complain how people are now fickle, unable to commit, and all this divorcing is weakening and destabilizing the society. It’s not really an argument, but an unstable society brings to mind by association a Mad Max style dystopia, so millenials beware!