By David Futrelle
So I wrote up a nice long post tonight, filled with inadvertently hilarious if also somewhat disturbing tweets from a variety of far-right trolls, but for some reason Twitter doesn’t seem to be embedding tweets properly right now, at least on WordPress.
In the meantime, please make do with these thoughts on “front holes” — a.k.a. women — from a Men Going His Own way on Reddit.
Huh. I thought the standard timetable for young women today — at least according to the He Man Woman-Hater’s club of the manosphere — was cock-carousel-riding until age 30 or so, followed by the desperate search for a beta to glom onto in the early 30s. Now they have to get a ring on some poor beta by the time they graduate from college? At age 25?
Misogyny can be so confusing!
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I thought that MGTOW were gender separatists dedicated to living their best lives. What business does this guy have lecturing women on what they should and should not do? I’m surprised it wasn’t taken down by the mods…
…oh, wait, sorry, I’m treating the claims of manospherians as if they weren’t just a fig leaf on top of embittered misogyny driven by a massive sense of entitlement. But they are, so this guy can get bent.
It’s too ambiguous. Any standards for what? Restaurant service? Cars? Films?
These MGTOWs have no spouse by 25 I am sure, yet they seem to have standards for a wide variety of things (including strange standards for films). So hypocritical! /s
What a hilarious thing to read on my 26th birthday
If women are “front holes,” wouldn’t that make him a “back hole”?
I believe there’s a more common term for that.
I sincerely have never met a woman who does not become increasingly more discerning about her mates as she ages and has ridden all of the cocks and gained experience, ever increasing her strictures on quality of human partner because of said experience, so this is really a logistical failure for me. Of course, I’m not expecting logistical truth from these frothing manbabies, I just don’t understand how this view developed that these fellows have of women past a certain age going into panic mode about finding a mate and being completely deflated when they look upon a sea of men who want nothing to do with them. Because that doesn’t happen. I am 40, have always dated attractive people, have always been considered attractive, and were I to become single today, that precedent would continue apace.
A self-identified zombie? Why are you searching for dates among the living?
I’m pretty sure that by “front-holes” — a charming phrase! — you mean women. And it’s true: we don’t understand that we don’t have the right to be picky after age 25. Allow me to add: try to stop us.
So it’s not a law? Women do have the right to be picky after age 25? Okay, we’ll just continue as we were.
Hey, I have good news for these chucklefucks. I’m an aromantic asexual,
and I do have no standards.
As in, my standards are “no”.
Out of morbid curiosity I decided to check out the guy’s post history. In it, he answers the (rhetorical) question “Why do MGTOW keep talking about women? lol” with
I can’t unpack this one.
So, women under 25 – aka the only age group MGTOWs are interested in – should be picky. Being picky, of course, means rejecting MGTOWs, who are the sub-basement of the earth’s mantle beneath the bottom of dating barrel.
Whereas women over 25 should not be picky. They should accept all comers, including MGTOWs. Who have no interest in women over 25.
They really didn’t think this little catch-22 through, did they?
Also, people who can’t stop referring to women as “front holes” forfeit all claim to being logical and scientific.
We have known for many years that MRAs, MGTOWs, incels, &c., are all interchangeable turds in the same outhouse. I can’t think that even they try to pretend there’s any difference between any of their little sects. To be sure, they once did, but I can’t think that they do now. The OP (opprobrious poster) is notionally MGTOW, but he emits word-waste that looks more like that of an incel. I think they know it, and we know it: all the Internet misogynists run together and constitute a big pile of shit.
At the risk of being pedantic, MGTOW claim not to be interested in women sexually, and instead are fixing their eyes resolutely on the end-goal (of dismantling the patriarchy such that men are no longer expected to happily accept held emotionally and financially hostage by women, achieved by whining REALLY hard and using dehumanizing language).
In his post history, he claims to have actually had relations with a woman before, and to have Gone His Own Way after seeing all his male relatives being destroyed by their marriages*.
(* except his older brother, who is decent, successful and happily married, but who nevertheless will eventually be doomed as well, as his wife is a “social democrat” who tries to “wear the pants” in the marriage.)
In his post history, he claims to have actually had relations with a woman before, and to have Gone His Own Way after seeing all his male relatives being destroyed by their marriages*.
(* except his older brother, who is decent, successful and happily married, but who nevertheless will eventually be doomed as well, as his wife is a “social democrat” who tries to “wear the pants” in the marriage.)
Sorry, I mixed up the subject in one of my sentences. It should read:
Men also have front holes. Theirs are just a lot smaller! ??
@Sarah: You are totally correct. A lot guys, especially in their 20s, chase older women. It’s usually creepy middle aged dudes going after the PYTs in their late teens slash early 20s
I’m perplexed by the use of “front hole” as meaning woman (given that the OP almost certainly only means cis, I am similarly limiting references). Unless I have horribly misremembered my biology classes, my front hole is my urethra. Just like a man’s is.
But of course women only exist in this person’s life as objects to be used. And I’m not going to continue thinking about this, because I’m getting more twitchy about the OPs thought processes.
Shudder.
The guy posted in the Unpopular Opinion subreddit that (I’m paraphrasing) transwomen can never pass, and that we should stop pretending that they can, so definitely he meant exclusively ciswomen.
(Thankfully, the post itself never got traction)
@Catalpa- aro ace club!
@Ariblester
“Claim”, but we all know they’re massive hypocrites who never manage to actually go. If they truly weren’t interested in women sexually, they wouldn’t waste time inventing rules for what women should and shouldn’t be allowed to do sexually.
Oh, they still want patriarchy. It’s just that they want all of the perks and authority, but none of the obligations.
This is just another workaround for the MGTOW/incel general rule that all men deserve their “looksmatch” (albeit 10-30 years younger and also a virgin). Because a single 26 year old has somehow debased her “value”, she is now the fair reward for any old schmoe no matter how beautiful she is.
@Catalpa, @Miri
AroAce as well. And agender!
I’m the complete Aspec in one Person.
Excellently put, but in that case wouldn’t these rules on sexual behavior also potentially stem from their desire to repress women’s exercise of (what the MGTOW see as) their main leverage on men?
I mean, it should be possible to be an authoritarian puritan without being intensely sexually repressed, I would think.
Off topic, but it seems that Qanon is spilling out offline more and more and it’s disturbing.
Just this Saturday my friend was talking about how she and her sister were minigolfing and overheard some men talking about pizzagate stuff. The sister, who is a minister, was so angry about it, she told them off.
Then, yesterday, a woman on the bus started ranting about how Ilhan Omar is evil and anti-Semitic and was part of the conspiracy to do 9-11. I gave her a death gaze and said “no” until she left the bus, giving an in her mind triumphant exit shouting “Ilhan Omar is evil, look it up!”
I’m more concerned for Omar’s safety than ever. Because this all took place in the Twin Cities, where she lives.
That’s some bullshit, but it is fair to note that Omar has made some comments regarding the Israeli government that could be (uncharitably) read as tapping into anti-Semitic tropes, most of which she has apologized for.
Let’s unpack this, shall we?
What does “having standards” mean? In this case, it clearly means rejecting people as sexual partners.
OP is recommending that, by law, unpartnered women over 25 should not be allowed to reject potential sexual partners.
In other words, to refuse consent.
In other words, he is proposing that men (because let’s be honest, he’s only thinking about men) should be able to legally rape any unpartnered woman over 25.
What a great guy.
In my experience, any criticism of the Israeli government is read as tapping into anti-Semitic tropes at the very least.