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MGTOW Redditor: “Many front-holes don’t understand that they have no right to be picky after age 25”

Groundhog enjoying a front hole

By David Futrelle

So I wrote up a nice long post tonight, filled with inadvertently hilarious if also somewhat disturbing tweets from a variety of far-right trolls, but for some reason Twitter doesn’t seem to be embedding tweets properly right now, at least on WordPress.

In the meantime, please make do with these thoughts on “front holes” — a.k.a. women — from a Men Going His Own way on Reddit.

Many front-holes don't understand that they have no right to be picky after age 25. (self.MGTOW)

submitted 1 month ago by thatzombieoverthere

If you have not 'secured' a beta in college, you should not, by law, be allowed to have any standards.

Huh. I thought the standard timetable for young women today — at least according to the He Man Woman-Hater’s club of the manosphere — was cock-carousel-riding until age 30 or so, followed by the desperate search for a beta to glom onto in the early 30s. Now they have to get a ring on some poor beta by the time they graduate from college? At age 25?

Misogyny can be so confusing!

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weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

It’s like people always wanted to go after someone for being female, POC, trans, etc but had to come up with a good excuse. Now, they have institutional support for joining in on a hate campaign and are so gleeful that they don’t need an excuse to revel in harming others.

Although the woman on the bus wasn’t just ranting. She was legit upset. Like, She was having a full on meltdown and it was kind of scary. She was almost in tears. The hate being spread really seems like it’s effective at getting people scared and then directing the fear at certain targets. And there’s nothing scarier to me than someone who is lashing out due to irrational fear.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@TimS

There is value in knowing whether the correct response is “Didn’t happen” or “You are misinterpreting.

The correct response is always “Shut the fuck up, you disingenuous piece of shit.” What actually happened is never relevant to their bullshit, so it doesn’t matter at all what they’re basing ot on this time.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

kupo wrote on
July 24, 2019 at 1:59 pm:

@Ariblester

Thanks for the apology. I know it’s hard to 9wn up to mistakes.

Too true, sadly. I actually credit @Rhuu’s post regarding apologies on another thread for getting me to re-evaluate what I was doing, specifically this bit:

[N]o one has misinterpreted your commments. We didn’t interpret them the way you had intended. The fact that so many people intepreted things you said *the same way* ought to give you pause. Perhaps we know something you don’t, and we’re trying to share that.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpants wrote on
July 24, 2019 at 11:19 am:

I mean, it should be possible to be an authoritarian puritan without being intensely sexually repressed, I would think.

Considering what many authoritarian puritans get up to behind closed doors, yes. But they’re another group not noted for practicing what they preach.

What I meant was, we should not automatically presume that a person’s stand on sexual matters, no matter how regressive, stems from repressed secret desires of wanting to engage in the practice they are condemning.

I realize that by belaboring the point I may be coming off as “but what about their feelings?”, but honestly it’s just an expression of my personal preference that mockery be based on known actions and attitudes rather than presumptions.

We know that the poster sees women as something less than human, and that he believes that women are parasites preying upon “beta” men, presumably through the promise of sex. He obviously also believes that the age of 25 is the age at which a woman’s effectiveness at being said parasite is on the wane. And, yes, he is a hypocrite for dictating terms to a group that he claims to want to have nothing to do with. These are all horrifically disgusting points in and of themselves.

Isn’t that enough to mock him over, without having to additionally presume that he’s acting out of bitterness because he, and by extension all MGTOW (and incels, maybe?), can’t get a date with an under-25 woman?

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Masculist Man wrote on
July 24, 2019 at 10:13 am:

<verbal diarrhea spewing forth out of a keyboard, I’m not even sure how that’s possible, “verbal” implies speech and keyboards are input devices oh god there’s so much of it>

wew lad

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Masculist Man

As usual, Dave has no idea what he is talking about. MGTOW, along with the Men’s Rights Movement, are very justified in their positions.

So David Futrelle is the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about?! MGTOW, along with the men’s rights movement, take many positions, many of them contradictory — not to mention the fact that Men Going Their Own Way can never seem to find their own way but instead hang around women to harass them (where are the cool hobbies we were promised that MGTOW would pursue and discuss!).

So what positions are you talking about? In what way are these positions justified?

It is feminism that is illegitimate and dangerous.

Illegitimate? Dangerous? Kindly explain.

It is brave men who stood up to these feminist monsters and for that these men are heroes.

Who are these brave heroes? Who are these feminist monsters? What did they do that was either brave or monstrous?

Very sincerely,

Masculist Man-Masculist/Men’s Rights Activist and Man Going His Own Way

Thank goodness someone is speaking up for men!

BTW, the pet store is having a sale on cats but only if you buy in bulk which I’m sure you will. So while you are renewing your restraining orders against Dave you can go buy 50 cats at a time.

Buying cats in bulk? As far as I know, nobody who comments here is hoarding cats. Your joke is not only unfunny, it’s cruel. There’s nothing funny about treating cats as a bulk item. As for restraining orders against David Futrelle, no one is doing that. He writes a blog. If we don’t like it, we don’t have to read it. Or we can write a comment and say that we don’t like it and why. It’s as simple and and as rational as that.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

Masculinist Man has quite a hate boner for AOC, as you can see if you click over to his blog. Yet another MGTOW obsessing over women.

Bina
1 year ago

@Masculist Migtroll:

As usual, Dave has no idea what he is talking about. MGTOW, along with the Men’s Rights Movement, are very justified in their positions. It is feminism that is illegitimate and dangerous. It is brave men who stood up to these feminist monsters and for that these men are heroes.

Very sincerely,

Masculist Man-Masculist/Men’s Rights Activist and Man Going His Own Way

BTW, the pet store is having a sale on cats but only if you buy in bulk which I’m sure you will. So while you are renewing your restraining orders against Dave you can go buy 50 cats at a time.

So busy Going Your Own Way, you had to come here to tell it to us, followed by a sad effort at witticism? Bray-vo.

I would be devastated, but:

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Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Bina

I am in love with that graphic.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

What happens if you secure what they might consider to be an alpha? Mine is coming home in 2 months and I’m counting down the days.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Lainy
What happens? You have fun. Enjoy yourselves, both of you — September can’t come too soon! ♥♥♥

Bina
1 year ago

@Big Titty Demon:

It’s a stitchery template that’s apparently available for sale. If you do cross-stitch or needlepoint, it might be a fun project. (I’m strongly tempted myself!)

* * *

Apropos WWTH’s comment re: Q-Anon invading real life, here’s a kind of horrifying example:

Even leaving murder out, though, I’ve been noticing a lot of worrisome instances of Q-adjacent redneck types in my area. The other day I was heading up one of our main streets here (I live in Southern Ontario, in one of the many bedroom communities outside Toronto) and I happened to pull in to an intersection behind a predictably crappy pickup truck with an Infowars.com bumper sticker. (I pulled a face at him. Couldn’t help it; I was just disgusted, after all the school-shooting shit that’s gone down, that ANYONE is still paying attention to Alex Fucking Jones.) The day of my driving exam, my instructor and I passed a property out in the boonies that had a huge “Rural Revolution” sign (“Government Back Off!”, etc.) out front. These guys are militant, they’re confused, they’re probably armed, and they’re popping out of the woodwork all over here like cockroaches.

If it’s like this in Canada already, I dread what I’d see in the States.

Tim Schwarz
Tim Schwarz
1 year ago

I regret any sense in which I was giving cover to death threats from right wing racists. I was attempting to discuss tactics in response to racist talking points, but I clearly did not do that as well as I should. I will try to be more careful going forward.

There is value in knowing whether the correct response is “Didn’t happen” or “You are misinterpreting.

The correct response is always “Shut the fuck up, you disingenuous piece of shit.” What actually happened is never relevant to their bullshit, so it doesn’t matter at all what they’re basing ot on this time.

Taking as a given that debate never changes the participants’ minds, this is absolutely the right response for the unfortunate circumstance where you are having a one-on-one conversation with someone spouting this bullshit.

But debates can persuade the fence-sitters in the audience (eg online on social media). Politeness to the other side of the debate is not valuable in itself (fuck civility politics), but it can be useful tactic for persuading the audience. It is worthwhile only and exactly as much as it impacts the audience in a desired way.

In particular, I think there is value in assuming the audience doesn’t know as much about what happened as you do, so specifically targeting the factual predicates can be powerful. There is no point in debating their values, in part because their articulated values are plucked from socially common values and are harmful because of unstated values they don’t reveal in order to lure people in.

In the fantastical world where immigrants from Canada were 100% going to turn into rabid, unthinking werewolves, keeping them from crossing makes some sense. And if your response is to ask why the fuck I bring up such a ridiculous hypothetical, you are engaging in exactly the sort of challenging of facts that I am advocating.

Antifa is a valid and useful tactic in some circumstances, and other tactics fit other circumstances.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

@Kat

Illegitimate? Dangerous? Kindly explain.

Well, see, feminism was bred by women, and since gay marriage wasn’t a thing back then, its parents clearly weren’t married, so feminism is a bastard. And we all know that bastard children are a dire threat to civilization. QED.

@Bina

I’ve seen cars with Quebec plates bearing MAGA stickers. I still don’t get it.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@kat

Time likes to move slowly towards the end of our wait though. Its going to be a year since we both last physically saw each other and when he proposed. We’re finally going to make some wedding plans and go wedding dress shopping while he’s home. I’m super excited but this is all assuming we leave the bedroom much lol.

Masculist Man
1 year ago

Illegitimate? Dangerous? Kindly explain.

It leads to the destruction of the family and due process rights for men. It has led to “Dear Colleague” which destroyed the due process rights of men on university and college campuses nationwide. It has led to the Metoo movement that has resulted in the persecution of innocent men yet no female sexual predators have been exposed and called to task. Asia Argento doesn’t count because she was outed by the media independent of Metoo. It has led to the rape shield laws that destroy the lives of men, guilty or not while it has protected female false accusers to the point of concealing their identities thus leaving them free to destroy the lives of other men. Not only that female false accusers are never charged with a crime which gives them license to falsely accuse other men.

Thank goodness someone is speaking up for men!

I’ll take that as a sincere compliment.

Masculinist Man has quite a hate boner for AOC, as you can see if you click over to his blog. Yet another MGTOW obsessing over women.

I concern myself with Congresswoman AOC because she is a lawmaker. I hold elected officials accountable. When AOC goes back to the private sector and becomes a private citizen again my interest in her will cease.

If you don’t care then why did you respond to my post?

Who are these feminist monsters?

They are listed here: https://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2010/02/feminist-quotes.html and here: https://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2011/10/feminist-quotes-2.html

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

The only rights for men that I’ve ever seen feminist get ride of was the right to rape your wife. Which is a good right to get ride of because no one should have that right.

Now ignoring the troll.

I would like your guys opinions. I like to watch cake boss and I saw this cool thing that one bride did where instead of flowers she did cupcake center pieces for her guest tables. Now my fiancé and I both come from very large families, with a lot of little kids in those families. Do you think it would be safer to just do traditional flowers instead of the cupcake idea because that could get messy with all the little ones.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Garrulous Gimboid

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Oh dear, you are. Do please try to write something that’s distinguishable from copypasta, old boy. Your little screed could’ve come verbatim from the Manboobz days, it’s really extraordinarily tedious.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

Ah, “the destruction of the family.”

Has anyone who’s ever ranted about how teh gayz/teh jjjjjoooozzzz/teh commies/teh feminazis/etc are destroying the family ever set out the case for what’s so great about the family? I know they sidestep the question of dysfunctional families and argue that it’s better for an abused wife to stay with her abuser on the grounds that preserving the family should come before everything, but do they ever explain why?

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@Rabid

I think most of it because they didn’t come from a dysfunctional families or they were never the one where the aggression was directed to.

Masculist Man
1 year ago

I know they sidestep the question of dysfunctional families and argue that it’s better for an abused wife to stay with her abuser on the grounds that preserving the family should come before everything, but do they ever explain why?

We do address domestic violence. We acknowledge male on female domestic violence. We also address female on male domestic violence which is more frequent. Thanks to feminism society ignores female on male domestic violence.

Masculist Man
1 year ago

Oh dear, you are. Do please try to write something that’s distinguishable from copypasta, old boy. Your little screed could’ve come verbatim from the Manboobz days, it’s really extraordinarily tedious.

We Hunted The Mammoth, Manboobz,still ran by the same guy.

Is this your refute? *shakes his head*

Masculist Man
1 year ago

Since gay marriage wasn’t a thing back then

Domestic violence among gay men is lower than heterosexual couples while domestic violence in lesbian relationships is higher than that of gay men and heterosexual couples.

I’ve seen cars with Quebec plates bearing MAGA stickers. I still don’t get it.

They favor Trump over Trudeau. They want their next Prime Minister to have Trump-like qualities. They probably remember when Saudi Arabia told Canada to stuff it when it came to feminism. I doubt they are fans of feminism they probably didn’t like their country being pushed around. Then the Chinese reverse their lenient decision concerning a Canadian drug runner on trial in China by sentencing him to death. Under Trudeau’s foreign policy Canada has been pushed around by Saudi Arabia and China.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

I’m wondering what innocent men were persecuted because of Me Too?

Weinstein? Cosby? Epstein? Trump?

Beyond Ocean
Beyond Ocean
1 year ago

@Rabbit

Well, I think we can guess their actual reason.

If the woman (and children) can’t leave an abusive man, then all the little tyrants get to live out their “head of the family” fantasies that patriarchal society promised them and that women’s rights are depriving them of. From incels to religious fundamentalists, this is what they want.

As for the excuses they’re giving, it’s usually that it’s best for the children to be raised by both biological parents. And no matter how many times it’s proven that growing up in abusive families is not good for anyone, they’ll just keep repeating and repeating and repeating it.

Alternatively (if there are no children in the picture) they will just complain how people are now fickle, unable to commit, and all this divorcing is weakening and destabilizing the society. It’s not really an argument, but an unstable society brings to mind by association a Mad Max style dystopia, so millenials beware!

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Masculist Man
Let’s go through your claims one by one.
Destruction of the family? Weird, my family is still around. Come to think if it, I don’t know anyone whose family has been destroyed by feminists. Could you maybe show them to me?
Destruction of due process rights? I don’t know any men who have had their due process rights taken away either. In fact, I see the opposite: that due process is almost never completed for female victims of rape. According to RAINN, 994 out of every thousand rapists never serve any prison time.
Persecution of innocent men? I can’t think of any innocent men who are being persecuted by #MeToo, seeing as it is not a government organization and by definition cannot persecute. On the contrary, as previously mentioned, many guilty men walk free.
No female predators exposed? There have been cases reported under the hashtag MeToo of female on male assault. The reason this has been less prominent, of course, is that 95% of rapists are men, despite the fact that less than 5% of victims are men, so proportionally there are fewer women who are sexual predators.
Protecting false accusers? Less than 2% of rape accusations are false, and almost anyone who comes forward with accusations against men in power immediately gets death and rape threats in addition to all kinds of other harassment. I don’t think there is any protection in place for real accusers, and this is unfortunate. The number of false accusers, if any exist at all, is negligible here. Saying that all the accusers are false based on 2% would be like saying *GASP* that all men are rapists based on the fact that about 6% are.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: what exactly do you concern yourself with about her? I don’t know of any laws she has broken or anything she has done which violates your rights in any way. Unless her being a woman upsets you that much.
On domestic abuse in lesbian relationships: Can I see a citation for that?

Regarding the quotes: I see that you have cherry-picked and possibly invented quotes from a small minority of radical feminists who lived 50 years ago to describe an entire movement. I’m not even going to bother fact-checking or responding to these quotes individually, as David has already done this numerous times. Instead, I’ll return the favor by providing some quotes from your movement. Instead of cherry-picking or inventing quotes from radicals, however, I will use verifiable quotes from central figures.

[TRIGGER WARNING FOR MISOGYNY AND OTHER BIGOTRY]

“In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.” -Paul Elam, A Voice for Men
“Make rape legal if done on private property.” -Roosh Valizadeh, Author of Bang series
“In order for America to right itself, there needs to be a massive and concerted war on female self-esteem.” -Matt Forney, manosphere blogger

Here is my exhaustive response to your claims.
Hope you enjoy it!

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

Is this your refute? *shakes his head*

No, cupcake, the refutations can be found in the old Manboobz archives. Do take a turn through them and come back when you have something we haven’t heard and refuted 10,000 times before. As it stands, you’re too boring to be worth keeping around long.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Dalillama
Or he can find the refutation that I just posted. Sorry if it’s rambling, I just wanted to hit every overused false talking point he tried to use.

Bina
1 year ago

Our misogynist man-troll is incredibly boring. But just to pile onto him a bit with more facts I’m sure he’ll ignore:

The family is NOT under attack. Marriage is barely even dented. If divorce rates have risen since divorce became readily obtainable, it’s only because no one feels the need to perpetuate a sham anymore. If people are getting married later, it’s because they no longer feel compelled to jump into it too soon, with the wrong person, for the wrong reason (usually an unplanned pregnancy). And this here feminist comes from an intact family; we buried my dad a little under two years ago, just ten months after he and my mom celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary. Feminism didn’t ruin their marriage, it ensured that it was actually happy and took place for the right reasons when it happened.

Men’s rights are NOT being trampled. Women inching ever closer to equality does not a trampling make. If you think you have ANY right to dominate us, you can go stumble over all the Legos, and fall naked into a cactus patch. With any luck, you’ll get a prickly pear up your bum. We’re not going back to that hellhole that you think was a Golden Age.

And feminists DO discuss female-on-male domestic violence. It’s not our fault if you can’t be arsed to do something so basic as googling it, or reading those feminist sites you’re obviously allergic to. The reason it’s not being discussed as much there as the reverse situation is because it is vanishingly rare by comparison, and also because the law actively protects, aids and abets men who abuse their wives (but does nothing remotely similar for women who do anything close to it with their husbands).

And no, feminism has NOT turned women into husband-beaters. If you think so, you just might be a massive fucking jackwagon.

Your argument is not only illegitimate, it is utterly invalid.

Now kindly go find yourself a cactus patch and some Legos.

Vamoose.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

It’s so cute when they act like they have a leg to stand on lol. Just a tiny small little troll screaming into the void about how unfair it is that children and women don’t have to stay in abusive house holds and that rape might actually be taken seriously in the future. When we will mean ol feminist just let men be men and do what they want.